Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 10/20/2000


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DelaYah - HalleluYAH!!!
DelaYah - Thank You Father Yahweh for all the good things you give unto us
DelaYah - Like, Your Spirit
DelaYah - We are so blessed by Your presence in our lives Abba, and we desire to Praise You with all of our heart
DelaYah - Help us to not forget the many things that you do for each day, by giving You thanks Always
DelaYah - How can we repay You Abba?
DelaYah - You have granted us this wisdom...
DelaYah - by Keeping Your commandments and telling others of your mighty works in our lives
DelaYah - even by this shall all men know that You are with us and that Thy Word is truth!@
DelaYah - Please grant the speaker this evening to proclaim without hesitation, Your word
DelaYah - and grant us ears to hear Abba
DelaYah - that we may grow in the knowledge and grace of Your son
DelaYah - In all things let Your will be done in our lives Father Yahweh
DelaYah - In the authority of Yahushua we ask these things and give you glory
DelaYah - HalleluYAH!

EliYah's message:

HalleluYah!!!

We just finished our observance of the great celebration called the "Feast of Tabernacles".

We have been so very blessed by this feast with the fellowship, praising our Creator and giving honor to Yahweh throughout the feast.

Each year, we learn new things about what Yahweh wants for us in our lives and by these observances, our spiritual walk has been greatly blessed over the years.

But now that the feast is over, we need to go forth and proclaim these great blessings to all peoples and show them that there is a difference!

Yes, brothers and sisters there is a difference.

There is a stark contrast between the Holy Days of Yahweh and the unholi-days of the world.

We are approaching the time of year where we must brace ourselves for the upcoming un-holi-days, I would like to consider what the scriptures have to say about incorporating pagan observances into our worship and into our lives.

Before I begin I would like to say that the purpose of this message tonight is not to put others down, but to open the scriptures to those who might not realize certain truths within

In no way do I believe we are above reproof, but we also must diligently seek to worship our Father in Spirit and in Truth.

Having said this..

We do know that there are many within the confines of Christianity that believe Yahweh 'doesn't mind' if we observe Christmas, have the Cross as the sign of our faith, call on upon Yahweh using a pagan name and many other such practices that have its roots in paganism.

The logic is, the meaning of these things 'has changed' and they no longer mean those things today. Therefore Yahweh 'doesn't mind' if we doing these things since the meaning has 'changed'

For examples, here are some responses that I have encountered over the years:

* It's okay to eat pork, the pig has been domesticated and is fed whole grains for it's food and is not roaming the earth eating garbage like it used to.

* It's okay to keep the Sabbath day on the first day instead of the 7th day because this is the day the Messiah resurrected. The 7th day is no longer kept by Christians so as long as you are keeping a Sabbath, Yahweh 'doesn't mind'.

* It's okay to keep Christmas, it used to be pagan but it doesn't mean that anymore

* It's okay to have the cross as the sign of our faith, it was pagan but it doesn't mean that anymore

* It's okay to call Yahweh by the pagan name "God", it used to be pagan but it doesn't mean that anymore.

Within the logic of each of these statements, we find a common thread.

Each of them say that something has changed. Because of that change, what USED to be wrong is now considered right!

I believe this to be a snare

Do we find any examples of this in the scriptures? Is there anything in Genesis through Revelation that would justify the idea that something that used to be wrong can later on be right? The answer is, "No, to the contrary!".

Let's consider first of all the scriptural prohibition of incorporating paganism into our worship in the first place:

When the children of Israel were about to go into the promised land, Yahweh's desire was that they not take their pagan practices and apply it to Him:

Deuteronomy 12:28 - Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of YAHWEH thy Elohim.

Deuteronomy 12:29 - When YAHWEH thy Elohim shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;

Deuteronomy 12:30 - Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their elohim, saying, How did these nations serve their elohim? even so will I do likewise.

Yahweh commanded that they not even inquire after their gods. Yahweh didn't want them to 'learn the way of the heathen' at all!

This is consistent with what Yahweh said later:

Jeremiah 10:2 - Thus saith YAHWEH, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

"Learn not the way of the heathen"

Here are 2 commandments in scripture where we are told to not learn about pagan worship, much less apply their practices to the worship of Yahweh!

Continuing..

Deuteronomy 12:31 - Thou shalt not do so unto YAHWEH thy Elohim: for every abomination to YAHWEH, which he hateth, have they done unto their elohim; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their elohim.

Yahweh says plainly "Thou shalt not do so unto YAHWEH thy Elohim".

Do what? Worship Yahweh in the way the other nations worship their deities

We find more evidence in the "New Testament" scriptures

Galatians 4:8 - But then, indeed, when you did not know YAHWEH, you served those which by nature are not mighty ones.

Galatians 4:9 - But now after you have known YAHWEH, or rather are known by YAHWEH, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?

Galatians 4:10 - You observe days and months and seasons and years.

Galatians 4:11 - I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

Here is a direct condemnation of continuing in those 'weak and beggarly elements' which were in paganism/idolatry

This included the observance of certain days, months, times and years..found within idolatry.

Some have tried to use this against those who observe the commanded feast days such as Passover, Feast of Tabernacles, etc. but Yahweh's commandments are not "weak and beggarly elements"!

Paul himself kept the feasts, surely he would be bringing condemnation upon himself here

Acts 18:20 - When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not;

Acts 18:21 - But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if YAHWEH will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

Therefore, this is certainly talking about Gentiles 'returning' to idolatry, not returning to Yahweh's commandments!

Within that idolatry was the observance of days, months, times, etc that are not found in the pages of scripture..it is clearly condemned here

We find the people of Judah were doing similar things in Jeremiah chapter 2. They were claiming that they weren't polluted with Baal, but Yahweh said:

Jeremiah 2:22 - For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Master YAHWEH.

Jeremiah 2:23 - How canst thou say, I am not polluted, I have not gone after Baalim? see thy way in the valley, know what thou hast done: thou art a swift dromedary traversing her ways;

They claimed they weren't polluted, but apparently their actions showed otherwise.

Therefore it is certainly wrong to mix paganism into worship. Paganism is actually Satanism

1Corinthians 10:20 - But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to Elohim: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

1Corinthians 10:21 - Ye cannot drink the cup of YAHWEH, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of YAHWEH's table, and of the table of devils.

1Corinthians 10:22 - Do we provoke YAHWEH to jealousy? are we stronger than he?

Why would anyone believe it is okay to incorporate Satanism into our worship? How terrible! The Egyptians observed many of these pagan practices, what did Yahweh command Israel?

Leviticus 18:2 - Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am YAHWEH your Elohim.

Leviticus 18:3 - After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.

Leviticus 18:4 - Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am YAHWEH your Elohim.

Leviticus 18:5 - Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am YAHWEH.

They are told specifically to keep Yahweh's commandments, not the ones of the Egyptians nor the ones in the land of Canaan. Yet, we find in modern day mainstream Christianity that people are doing these very things

We are told to keep Yahweh's commandments and not add to them nor take away from them:

Deuteronomy 12:32 - What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Did the children of Israel obey these commands?

Psalms 106:32 - They angered him also at the waters of strife, so that it went ill with Moses for their sakes:

Psalms 106:33 - Because they provoked his spirit, so that he spake unadvisedly with his lips.

Psalms 106:34 - They did not destroy the nations, concerning whom YAHWEH commanded them:

Psalms 106:35 - But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works.

They did not. How about today, can we participate in pagan practices today?

Does Yahweh indeed have a double standard?

Yahweh is no respector of persons and shows no partiality

Colossians 3:25 - But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

1Peter 1:13 - Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the favor that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Yahushua the Messiah;

1Peter 1:14 - as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance;

1Peter 1:15 - but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct,

1Peter 1:16 - because it is written, "Be holy, for I am holy."

1Peter 1:17 - And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay [here] in fear;

On Judgement day, Yahweh will judge each without partiality or respector of persons. If something was wrong in 2000BCE then it is also wrong in Y2K.

Hebrews 13:7 - Remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the word of YAHWEH to you, whose faith follow, considering the outcome of their conduct.

Hebrews 13:8 - Yahushua the Messiah is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Hebrews 13:9 - Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by favor, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.

Christmas, Easter, Cross symbols and various other 'strange doctrines' (though under different names) were alive and well in Yahushua's time and they are alive and well in Y2K. Iit was wrong then, it is wrong now.

Consider this, if something was wrong in the year 300...in what year did it become acceptable to Yahweh?

301?

400?

500?? 1900??

The answer is NEVER

Regardless of excuses, reasonings, etc there is one standard that we will be expected to live by on Judgement day and that is Yahweh's word.

If Yahweh's word says it is wrong then it is ALWAYS wrong. I have yet to see a pig chewing the cud. Until the day I see a pig chewing the cud, I will declare it UNCLEAN as Yahweh's word says

These are all attempts to undermine the word of Yahweh.

If it was wrong to change the Sabbath to Sunday in years gone by, it is wrong now. If it was wrong to take heathen customs and apply them to Yahweh in years gone by, then it is wrong now. Yahweh does not change.

Shouldn't the roots of our worship be in the scriptures rather than in idolatry and vain customs?

Yet just the opposite is embraced today...all with a million excuses, none of which will stand.

All of these are embraced and Yahweh's commandments are rejected. Yahweh commands us to keep the feasts, keep the Sabbaths, call upon His name and walk in HIS ways, not the ways of the world.

Romans 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of YAHWEH.

Only when we refuse to be conformed to this world and yield ourselves to be transformed by the renewing of our mind will we know what the good and acceptable and perfect will of Yahweh

Therefore, I call upon all to forsake vain tradition and to walk in the commandments of Yahweh. Our fathers have inherited lies, but let's worship our Father in Spirit and in truth:

John 4:23 - But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

John 4:24 - Elohim is Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Yahweh is seeking those who will worship Him in Spirit and in truth...not vain and idolatrous worship from the gods of Egypt in generations past

Joshua 24:14 - Now therefore fear YAHWEH, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the elohim which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye YAHWEH.

HalleluYah, when all is said and done we can know that we are doing right if our conduct is according to the Word of Yahweh

The Word of Yahweh is Yahushua the Messiah

We know that He never observed such things, nor did He command them. Therefore let us walk as He walked!

1John 2:4 - He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1John 2:5 - But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of YAHWEH is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.

1John 2:6 - He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

We can rest in this promise brethren.

Let's allow Yahushua the Messiah to be in us and allow the Spirit of Yahweh to convict our hearts to worship our Almighty Father, Yahweh is Spirit and in TRUTH..no matter what year we live in.

And with that, I will close. May Yahweh bless you all!

End


DelaYah - \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/
LoveAll2 - Eliyah, there is a Problem with your TINY Letters, which almost no one can read: becaue they are too small.
Jay_Emm - \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ HalleluYah !!! \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/
DelaYah - Help us Father to walk in all Your ways!
Angel - HalleluYah
COL - Absolutely!! Amen!! HalleluYAH!!
WAYne - HalleluYah in Yahushua`s Name HalleluYah !!! May we be Set-Apart !!!
Sister_Meshi - May we all be counted in that day..and have oil in our lamps
cwj - HalleluYah
EliYah - Try adjusting your resolution, LoveAll2. That's beyond my control
YahismyEl - Praise Yahweh!
Lydia_Jozef - PRAISE YAHWEH this word is like a two edged sword. \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/
SisterSun - HalleluYah, Praise Yahweh
SisterSun - His word is life unto all of us....Praise him
docboy - HalleluYah!!! we need more messages like this........thanks EliYah
AbigailYa - Praise Yahweh!
DelaYah - Loveall2.... are you using a browser to view the meeting? or a program like mIRC or PIRCH?
LoveAll2 - Eliyah, thank you for Responding. Your Server could probably get a different setup for you.
WAYne - ty Br, HalleluYAH!
SisterSun - Thank You EliYah for sharing with us!!
EliYah - It's all in the chat program you use
EliYah - Praise Yahweh
EliYah - Shabbat Shalom torahworm :)
LoveAll2 - Eliyah, this would be too Tiresome for a Person's Eyes, if he did it all day.
DelaYah - LoveALL2.... are you using a browser to view the meeting? or a program like mIRC or PIRCH?
DelaYah - Shabbat Shalom torahworm!
torahworm - Shabbat Shalom also
Lydia_Jozef - My letters are real big.
LoveAll2 - DelaYah, I am using a Laptop Computer with an 8-inch Screen.
EliYah - Are there any comments/questions?
COL - my letters are medium.
mike_suzy - a modern example of this, is the church having a "harvest " night in place of halloween
SisterSun - Shalom all!!and Good night
DelaYah - what program are you using to see it?
DelaYah - you may be able to adjust the font size
halel - Shabbat Shalom all - well, the end was great, I will have to access the transcript! :o)
COL - mike...oh yes! I noticed tonight that people actually have Halloween lights up! UG!!
EliYah - 8 inch screen, that explains it
downlo - Right on Time! HalleluYAH!
Lydia_Jozef - mike-suzy, is that your church?
Sister_Meshi - Eliyah... I know the obvious ones.. but I am seeking the more subtle pagan practices and customs I might not be aware or thinking of..
EliYah - Shabbat Shalom halel :)
LoveAll2 - DelaYah I am using Windows NT
WAYne - Shalom Halel
mike_suzy - not ours!
DelaYah - ok : )
EliYah - Yes, Meshi
Sister_Meshi - the holidays are easy.. but I feel He is wanting to transform so much more.. deeper things
Lydia_Jozef - I have not seen much (luckally) of hallo-ween
RAKIYAH - Shalom from House of Yisrael (CINTI,OH)
Sister_Meshi - that we can be so easily satisfied with giving up these pagan holidays only
EliYah - Yes, I think we need to press on
WAYne - Shalom RaiYah:)
Lydia_Jozef - It does not seem to popular it all here in Australia, What about where you live WAYne?
EliYah - Shalom RakiYah
COL - SisterMeshi....like the egg at holidays and such?? Even raisin cakes the pagans ate.
DelaYah - Shabbat Shalom RAKIYAH!
Lydia_Jozef - We rather eat the pumpkins ;o)
WAYne - no never really here of anyone observing it here
LoveAll2 - Other Chat Sites are not set up with such small Print
downlo - My wife & I were just discussing this before the meeting!
EliYah - LoveAll2, try http://www.eliyah.com:8000/
WAYne - I wouldnt even know when it is celebrated ha!
Lydia_Jozef - Us Neither.
downlo - Right on time EliYah!
Lydia_Jozef - Lydia has a question:
Sister_Meshi - We have many "traditions" in this country
DelaYah - Shabbat Shalom downlo!
downlo - HalleluYAH!
halel - we celebrated it in england when i was growing up, right before guy fawlkes day
Sister_Meshi - that we observe without knowing why or the meaning
Sister_Meshi - we follow our ancesters out of vain repetition and tradition
downlo - Shabbat shalom DelaYah!
WAYne - Does not Holy mean "Set_Apart"?.... so we are not to be apart of this world !? we are to be ""Set-Apart"" !
mike_suzy - here in south florida , a lot of the big churches have big"harvest" festivals with carnival rides,etc.- it's supposed to be a witness-to draw people in-sound familiar?
Lydia_Jozef - I would like to know if we could use "Sukkot" decorations in the shop untill the end of the year and say " Season Greetings"?
EliYah - I wouldn't want to leave the wrong impression, Lydia_Jozef
COL - Question...of subject but question just the same...is working for a bank considered secular/pagan??
LoveAll2 - I tried it, EliYah, and got nothing but a loud Noise
downlo - YAH`s timing... WOW!
Lydia_Jozef - Jozef thinks so too
EliYah - You need to give it a minute to load up
Sister_Meshi - I work for state government.. someday I feel I will have to leave
Angel - Yahshua said, we are in the world but not of the world
LoveAll2 - I gave it a minute
Lydia_Jozef - could anyone send me the 'shofar' sound file?
Lydia_Jozef - please
EliYah - maybe more than a minute :)
Yasha - Lydia: I have one
Yasha - Mine is a minte long thoguh
Yasha - Is that ok?
Sister_Meshi - Yahshua is bringing His government HalleluYah
WAYne - the world and its desires are slipping away...but he who does the will of YHWH remainth forever !HallelUYAH!
DelaYah - !rs
LoveAll2 - It came up with a Window that said there is no access to it.
EliYah - What a day that will be!
EliYah - No more paganism anywhere
DelaYah - !rs
Sister_Meshi - He wants us to be as He is now
EliYah - The feasts are closer to that reality of His kingdom
Angel - He will rule with a rod of iron!
Sister_Meshi - He wants us to know Him and stay very close I feel it
Lydia_Jozef - a minute is a bit too long, I was more thinking in line of the opening shofar blast when the meeting starts.
EliYah - With the fellowship and praises to Yahweh
Sister_Meshi - we will need to be close to Him so much in these last days
WAYne - like you mentioned in the study about sitting at the table ,one cannot sit at both! that is clear cut !
Lydia_Jozef - Thank you for the offer anyway Yasha.
Yasha - :o)
Angel - did you see lots of people suffering with colds outthere at the feast sites?
Karayah - commands.wav
Lydia_Jozef - Thank you Jay-em :o)
Karayah - ops
COL - what do you do with a friend who IS sitting at both ends?? Do we stay friends with them??
Angel - I think there is a flu going around
WAYne - what fellowship has righteous with unrighteous?
Sister_Meshi - HalleluYah
Sister_Meshi - The light shall cause the darkness to flee
Angel - Yahshua said to love our neighbours as ourselves!
EliYah - HalleluYah

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