10/15/2004 Sabbath Meeting Transcript


"Yahweh's Holy Days or Unholy Traditions?"


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Jozef - Almighty and Heavenly Father who's Name alone is exalted, You who dwell in the highest of Heavens, the most set apart (holy) place, the place were there is no impurity or contamination
Jozef - Thank you for this Shabbat day, in which we again especially magnify your Great Name 'YAHWEH', and we worship You and praise You alone O, Yahweh.
Jozef - We know You are our sustainer and giver of life, O Sovereign King, and it is our daily bread, every Word that proceeds from Your mouth, that keeps us spiritually alive.
Jozef - Thank you for the Feast You have given us
Jozef - We pray that through Your Word we get re-energised , that by your Holy Spirit You recharge us, and through Your servants You teach us the way to perfection of your eternal Will.
Jozef - Your Commandments and Decrees in Your Law are still perfect and Just, Your Law and Precepts beyond reproach, but it is 'us' that need help to implement them in our lives.
Jozef - Please forgive us all our shortcomings, and differences, our lack of kindness and understanding at times toward one another.
Jozef - Help us to better sons and daughters, and create opportunities to share our hope with people who are seeking a better and just government.
Jozef - Your Word purges us all as with hyssop, and through it we shall be clean: It is the soap that wash us, and we shall be whiter than snow.
Jozef - May we always trust You, and look FIRST and FOREMOST to You for all our worldly needs, for healing of the body or financially, emotionally or physically.
Jozef - As we ask all this in the precious Name of Your Son, our saviour and our King Yahushua,
Jozef - So be it! Omein, and All Praise to You. HALLELUYAH

EliYah's message:

HalleluYah!!!

Last week, my family and I were greatly blessed in our observance of the Feast of Tabernacles/Sukkot.

Each year, we learn new things about what Yahweh wants for us in our lives. By these observances, our spiritual walk has been greatly blessed over the years.

But now that the feast has passed, I believe it is important that we go forth and proclaim the great blessing of keeping His holy days to all peoples and show them that there is a difference!

Yes, brothers and sisters we know there is a difference.

There is a stark contrast between the Holy Days of Yahweh and the un-holi-days of the world.

There is a difference between the holy and unholy. Yahweh wants us to teach the difference and distinguish the difference in our lives.

And we are now in the time of year where the world's un-holi-days are starting their oppression.

Nearly a month ago I walked in Wal-Mart and already there was an aisle with dancing Santa Claus idols

We're now entering the time when ghosts, witches, jack-o-lanterns and goblins were are throughout the store

Tonight, I would like to consider what the scriptures have to say about incorporating pagan/satanic and/or additional observances into our worship and into our lives.

Before I begin I would like to say that the purpose of this message tonight is not to put others down, but to hopefully open the scriptures to those who might not realize certain truths within.

In no way do I believe we are above reproof. We also must diligently seek to worship our Father in Spirit and in Truth!

In fact as each day passes, I see more and more of Yahweh's people from a Mainstream Christian background coming in contact with with more of Yahweh's people from a Mainstream Judaism background. This is absolutely wonderful (and prophetic!).

With this, it seems evident that each bring along what I like to call "Baggage". "Baggage" is usually in the form of thought patterns, observances or traditions that have been carried over from each one's previous denominations or religions.

What should we do with this "Baggage"?

I believe that we should inspect each others baggage as well as our own to see if it conforms with Yahweh's word.

As far as traditions are concerned, I certainly do not believe that all traditions are bad.

Here is at least one tradition that is mentioned in Scripture:

Genesis 32:30 - And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen Elohim face to face, and my life is preserved.

Genesis 32:31 - And as he passed over Penuel the sun rose upon him, and he halted upon his thigh.

Genesis 32:32 - Therefore the children of Israel eat not of the sinew which shrank, which is upon the hollow of the thigh, unto this day: because he touched the hollow of Jacob's thigh in the sinew that shrank.

In this text, there is no command to refrain from eating the meat that comes from this muscle area. However, we see a tradition that started in honor of Jacob.

There are other traditions within Mainstream Judaism that have been carried over into Messianic Judaism. I believe we must be diligent to consider where these traditions got their start. We should not assume that they got their start in scriptural ways.

The same is true of traditions carried over from mainstream Christianity as we will discuss in a moment. It is evident that Christmas, Easter and many other such customs got their start in unscriptural ways. Remember what Yahweh said to Israel:

Deuteronomy 12:28 - Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of YAHWEH thy Elohim.

Deuteronomy 12:29 - When YAHWEH thy Elohim shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;

Deuteronomy 12:30 - Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their elohim, saying, How did these nations serve their elohim? even so will I do likewise.

Deuteronomy 12:31 - Thou shalt not do so unto YAHWEH thy Elohim: for every abomination to YAHWEH, which he hateth, have they done unto their elohim; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their elohim.

Deuteronomy 12:32 - What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

From this (and other scriptures) we learn that Yahweh doesn't want us picking up practices from false religions and applying them to His worship. We also learn that He doesn't want us adding to His commandments.

Yahushua warned that tradition can even cause us to break Yahweh's commandments:

Mark 7:7 - Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:8 - For laying aside the commandment of YAHWEH, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Mark 7:9 - And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of YAHWEH, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Therefore, I would gather from scripture that we must keep in mind a few principles when coming across baggage and traditions:

1. Be absolutely sure it didn't come from pagan/idolatrous sources.

2. Be absolutely sure it doesn't break a commandment of Yahweh.

3. Don't make it into a commandment by looking down on others for not keeping to the tradition.

I think that it is important that we shouldn't assume that because those of us from a Christian background are experienced with Messianic or "new testament" scripture, that our baggage is somehow more likely to meet the above principles.

And we shouldn't assume that because those of us from a Judaism background are more experienced with the Tanakh or "Old Testament" scripture, that our baggage is somehow more likely to meet the above principles. I believe we have much to learn from one another.

Truly, we can all learn from one another, "Endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace."

Having said this, we do know that there are many that say it doesn't matter.

Many believe Yahweh 'doesn't mind' if we observe Christmas, Easter, Halloween and many other such practices that have roots in idolatrous worship.

For examples, here are some responses that I have encountered over the years:

* It's okay to eat pork, the pig has been domesticated and is fed whole grains for it's food and is not roaming the earth eating garbage like it used to.

* It's okay to keep the Sabbath day on the first day instead of the 7th day because this is the day the Messiah resurrected. The 7th day is no longer kept by Christians so as long as you are keeping 'one day out of seven', Yahweh 'doesn't mind'.

* It's okay to keep Christmas, it used to be pagan but it doesn't mean that anymore

* It's okay to have the cross as the sign of our faith, it was pagan symbology but it doesn't mean that anymore

Within the logic of each of these statements, we find a common thread:

Each of them say that something has changed. Because of that change, what USED to be wrong is now considered right!

I do believe this to be a snare.

Let's consider first of all the scriptural prohibition of incorporating paganism into our worship in the first place.

When the children of Israel were about to go into the promised land, we read earlier that Yahweh commanded them not to even inquire after their gods. He told them not to take their practices and apply them to Him.

Yahweh didn't want them to 'learn the way of the heathen' at all! This is consistent with what Yahweh said later:

Jeremiah 10:2 - Thus saith YAHWEH, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

"Learn not the way of the heathen". Here are 2 commandments in scripture where we are told to not learn about pagan worship, much less apply their practices to the worship of Yahweh.

Incidentally, the "way of the heathen" that Jeremiah is referring to here is going to sound really familiar:

Jeremiah 10:3 - For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

Jeremiah 10:4 - They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

The custom is vain, yes? Remember what Yahushua said?

Mark 7:7 - Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctines the commandments of men.

Some things haven't changed, yes?

Deuteronomy 12:31 - Thou shalt not do so unto YAHWEH thy Elohim: for every abomination to YAHWEH, which he hateth, have they done unto their elohim; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their elohim.

Deuteronomy 12:32 - What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Yahweh says plainly "Thou shalt not do so unto YAHWEH thy Elohim". Do what? Worship Yahweh in the way the other nations worship their deities.

Don't learn it and don't do it.

We find more scriptural support in the "New Testament" scriptures:

Galatians 4:8 - But then, indeed, when you did not know YAHWEH, you served those which by nature are not mighty ones.

Galatians 4:9 - But now after you have known YAHWEH, or rather are known by YAHWEH, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?

Galatians 4:10 - You observe days and months and seasons and years.

Galatians 4:11 - I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

Here is a direct condemnation of continuing in those 'weak and beggarly elements' which were in paganism/idolatry.

This included the observance of certain days, months, times and years found within idolatry. Yahweh does not want us participating!

Some have tried to use this against those who observe the commanded feast days such as Passover, Feast of Tabernacles, etc. but Yahweh's commandments are not "weak and beggarly elements"! The days that Yahweh calls "Holy" are not "weak and beggarly"

Rather, notice that this is (in context) referring to "returning" to things that were found in their idol worship.

The fact is, Paul himself kept the feasts

Acts 18:20 - When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not;

Acts 18:21 - But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if YAHWEH will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

Surely he would be bringing condemnation upon himself in Galatians if he were referring to Yahweh's feasts and other observances.

Therefore, this is certainly talking about Gentiles 'turning again' to observances found in idolatry, not returning to Yahweh's commandments. For they weren't previously keeping Yahweh's commandments

We find the people of Judah were doing similar things in Jeremiah chapter 2. They were claiming that they weren't polluted with Baal, but Yahweh said:

Jeremiah 2:22 - For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Master YAHWEH.

Jeremiah 2:23 - How canst thou say, I am not polluted, I have not gone after Baalim? see thy way in the valley, know what thou hast done: thou art a swift dromedary traversing her ways;

They claimed they weren't polluted, but apparently their actions showed otherwise. Therefore it is certainly wrong to mix paganism and idolatrous ways of the heathen into our worship. Idolatrous practices are actually Satanic observances.

1Corinthians 10:20 - But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to Elohim: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

1Corinthians 10:21 - Ye cannot drink the cup of YAHWEH, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of YAHWEH's table, and of the table of devils.

The Gentiles--who thought they were sacrificing to their gods--were in reality sacrificing to demons/devils because Satan is behind all idolatrous worship.

Why would anyone believe it is okay to incorporate Satanic practices into our worship? We drink from both cups! The cup of devils and Yahweh's cup are not compatible at all!

We should cease from drinking both cups and let Yahweh's righteous ways be our drink

The Egyptians observed many pagan practices, what did Yahweh command Israel?

Leviticus 18:2 - Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am YAHWEH your Elohim.

Leviticus 18:3 - After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.

Leviticus 18:4 - Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am YAHWEH your Elohim.

Leviticus 18:5 - Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am YAHWEH.

They are told specifically to keep Yahweh's commandments, not the ones of the Egyptians nor the ones in the land of Canaan. Yet, we find in modern day mainstream Christianity that people are doing these very things.. and they defend themselves for doing it.

We are told to keep Yahweh's commandments and not add to them nor take away from them:

Deuteronomy 12:32 - What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Did the children of Israel obey these commands?

Let's see:

Psalms 106:32 - They angered him also at the waters of strife, so that it went ill with Moses for their sakes:

Psalms 106:33 - Because they provoked his spirit, so that he spake unadvisedly with his lips.

Psalms 106:34 - They did not destroy the nations, concerning whom YAHWEH commanded them:

Psalms 106:35 - But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works.

They did not. How about today? Can we participate in pagan practices today? Should we learn their works and keep their ordinances?

Does Yahweh indeed have a double standard? Was it wrong for them and okay for us? Should we mingle among the heathen and learn their works? Certainly no.

It is written:

Colossians 3:25 - But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

and again..

1Peter 1:13 - Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the favor that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Yahushua the Messiah;

1Peter 1:14 - as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance;

1Peter 1:15 - but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct,

1Peter 1:16 - because it is written, "Be holy, for I am holy."

1Peter 1:17 - And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay [here] in fear;

On Judgment day, Yahweh will judge each without partiality or respecter of persons

If something was wrong in 2000BCE then it is also wrong in the 21st century. We are called to be holy in all our conduct. This means avoiding the unholy and embracing that which is truly is holy.

The seventh day of the week is holy. We who are called to be holy should not profane it. The feast days are also holy days that should be kept holy

Can you imagine Yahweh saying to one person "okay.. you were a Jew in the year X, and you didn't keep the Sabbath.. you are condemned", but then the next person comes and he says "You were NOT a Jew in the year X and you didn't keep the sabbath.. enter into the joy of your Master!"??

Brothers, Sisters, people around the world...do not forget!!!

Hebrews 13:8 - Yahushua the Messiah is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Christmas, Easter, Cross symbols and various other 'strange doctrines' (though under different names) were alive and well in Yahushua's time and they are alive and well in the 21st century.

It was wrong then, and it is wrong now.

Consider this, if something was wrong in the year 300...in what year did it become acceptable to Yahweh?

301?

400?

500??

1900??

What day, hour, minute and second did it become "okay"?

The answer is NEVER. If it was wrong, it is still wrong.

Regardless of excuses, reasoning's, etc. there is ONE standard on Judgment day and that is Yahweh's word. If Yahweh's word says it is wrong then it is ALWAYS wrong.

I have yet to see a pig chewing the cud. Until the day I see a pig chewing the cud, I will declare it UNCLEAN as Yahweh's word says. These are all attempts to undermine the word of Yahweh.

These are all attempts by the deceiver to speak the same words spoken in the garden of Eden: "Hath Elohim said..?"

If it was wrong to change the Sabbath to Sunday in years gone by, it is wrong now.

If it was wrong to take heathen customs and apply them to Yahweh in years gone by, then it is wrong now.

Yahweh does not change.

Shouldn't the roots of our worship be in the scriptures rather than in idolatry and vain customs? Yet just the opposite is embraced today...all with a million excuses, none of which will stand.

What we need to stand on is the Word of Yahweh

He has provided us with holy days, right laws and just ways

Yahweh commands us to keep the feasts, keep the Sabbaths, call upon His name and walk in HIS ways, not the ways of the world.

And if Yahushua the Messiah is the same yesterday, today and forever.. why do they keep changing His Name?

The original KJV didn't have the name "Jesus" in it

It had Iesus

I say, so what if the world knows Him as "Jesus".. what name were the disciples proclaiming, getting baptized in and being persecuted for teaching in.. that's what I want to know!

Romans 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of YAHWEH.

If only those who picked up unscriptural practices in centuries gone by had heeded this scripture!

For it's only when we refuse to be conformed to this world and we are willing to yield ourselves to transformation by the renewing of our mind will we know what the good and acceptable and perfect will of Yahweh.

Perhaps they thought they could win the world by imitating the world. But you don't win the world by imitating the world, you can only win the world by imitating Yahushua the Messiah!

You can't win the world to the world, the world has already won them over!

But still today there are Christians doing just that with their "Christian Speed Metal" bands, Christian comedians and even Christian magicians!

And the Jewish Hannukah is even growing more and more like the world's "Christmas" observance

We should not pick up any practice, whether it is from Christianity or Judaism unless we know for a 100% absolute fact that the practice did not come from idolatry

Personally, I'm quite cautious about some of the Hannukah legends and practices. The story about the oil lasting longer is not in scripture, nor is it in the book of Maccabees

Peronally, I think it's high time we forsake vain traditions and to walk in the commandments of Yahweh! The truth is not to be found in mainstream Christianity and the truth is not to be found in mainstream Judaism. I keep finding that it is right down the middle of both, minus the baggage!

Our Fathers have inherited lies, but let's worship our Father in Spirit and in truth, shall we?

John 4:23 - But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Yahweh is seeking a remnant who will worship Him in Spirit and in truth, not with vain and idolatrous practices from the gods of Egypt in generations past.

Joshua 24:14 - Now therefore fear YAHWEH, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the elohim which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye YAHWEH.

HalleluYah, when all is said and done we can know that we are doing right if our conduct is FROM and ACCORDING TO the Word of Yahweh.

Let's put away the practices of the wicked and lets embrace the practices found in the word of Yahweh. The Word of Yahweh is Yahushua the Messiah. We know that He never observed such things, nor did He command them. Therefore let us walk as He walked!

1John 2:4 - He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1John 2:5 - But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of YAHWEH is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.

1John 2:6 - He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Let's walk as He walked. We cannot go wrong! Let's lift up the righteous standard that He lived by so that all might truly be drawn to Him by the TRUTH

And so that we ourselves might be saved

We can rest in this promise. He who abides in Him should walk as He walked

Therefore, let's allow Yahushua the Messiah to be in us to do the works that He did on earth IN US.

Let's allow the Spirit of Yahweh to convict our hearts to love and serve one another, and love and serve our Almighty Father Yahweh in Spirit and in truth..

no matter what year we live in

May Yahweh bless you and may He have mercy on us all!

End


barry_Melisa - Praise Yahweh HalleluYAH
duane - Praise YAHWEH!!!!
Yohanan - To the point, up front straight forward and to the glory of Yahweh. HalleluYah brother.
Tamar - praise YHWH!
sos710 - HalleluYAH \o/
BrBob - I have to whole heartedly agree. Peronally, I think it's high time we forsake vain traditions and to walk in the commandments of Yahweh! The truth is not to
j_e - HalleluYAh!!!!!!!!!
BrBob - be found in mainstream Christianity and the truth is not to be found in mainstream Judaism. I keep finding that it is right down the
BrBob - middle of both, minus the baggage!
nick - HalleluYAH. Thank you father for using your vessel to deliver this powerful word.
duane - \o/\o/HalleluYah
BrBob - oops
BrBob - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
Angel - HalleluYah
duane - Hope every one has a blessed Sabbath
Return - HALLELUYAH!!!
Yohanan - Santa comes down the FIRE place, Yahshua knocks at the door.
barry_Melisa - Bless Yahweh O my soul and all that is withing Me Bless HIS HOLY NAME...........YaHWeH
Rosalinda - HALLELUYAH
Zero - HALLELUYAH
barry_Melisa - +ps 19 7 9
EliYah - Blessed be Yahweh
barry_Melisa - +ps 19 10 11
Yohanan - Also consider the gifts the kids want now days. Evil video games. harry pothead., Etc Etc.
Jozef - \O/\O/\O/\O/\O/\O/\O/\O/ HalleluYah
Tamar - its good to see all YHWH's people here tonight! Shabbat shalom all!
VictoryYAH - Shabbat Shalom Tamar
Jozef - We have to go, and say ...,.Shabbat shalom...
BrBob - Favor and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of YAHWEH and Yahshua our Master, Tamar
Zero - Shabbat shalom
Jozef - Until we meet again Yahweh willing.
Tamar - JOZEP!!!!
BrBob - Shalom Jozef !
VictoryYAH - Shabbat Shalom Jozef
barry_Melisa - Shabbat Shalom Tamar and the Pastor
Tamar - love and hugs and blessings bro!!
Jozef - (((((((((((((((((((BrBob> Shalom)))))))))))))))))))
EliYah - "Santa" is no giver of gifts.. he is a thief coming by some other way than the Door. He steals the hearts of children... to turn them away from Yahweh
Jozef - Thank you all sooooooo much
BrBob - {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Jozef }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
barry_Melisa - "S a n t a " ..s a t a n... same letters
Ezekiel - shabbot shalom.
barry_Melisa - Shabbat Shalom Ezekiel
VictoryYAH - Shabbat Shalom Ezekiel
nick - shabbat shalom Ezekiel
Ezekiel - ty friends. amazing the no. of people here. woderfull.
barry_Melisa - Has any heard from Bud_Connie??????????????????????????
Ezekiel - [listens in]
EliYah - I haven't
Tamar - I need to brb...baby calls :)
nick - I have a prayer request
BrBob - It is amazing after all these years to notice how much diversity there is all of the groups and assemblies. Reminds me of the seven churhces in Revelation.
barry_Melisa - i wrote last week , have not gotten a response. :( Still praying for them tho

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