<DelaYah> Dear Father Yahweh,
<DelaYah> Thank You so much for all that you have given us this past week..
<DelaYah> the things we realized.... and the things we took for granted..
<DelaYah> help us Father to not take the things that You do for us for granted.. but rather to Give You Thanks for all things in all instances
<DelaYah> We are very blessed to know the TRUTH
<DelaYah> and we thank You for it Abba
<DelaYah> we bless Your Holy Name and show forth praises to You by giving you Thanks
<DelaYah> Please guide the thoughts of the speaker this night, and give him bold
speach,
<DelaYah> that he may reprove, rebuke, and exhort us with all longsuffering and patience
<DelaYah> that we may know what is good and acceptable in Your sight
<DelaYah> please bring to our rememberance the things that are not pleasing in Your sight
<DelaYah> and to have the knowledge to do the right thing.
<DelaYah> and the strength by Your Spirit to accomplish it
<DelaYah> the desire of the righteous is to depart from evil
<DelaYah> Let us be humbled by YOUR WORD
<DelaYah> and walk therein
<DelaYah> We bless You Abba and THank You so much for Yahushua and His precious blood
<DelaYah> Blessed be Thou Oh YHWH!
<DelaYah> HalleluYAH!
EliYah's Message:
HalleluYah!!
Tonight I would like to talk about the true nature of the Father, Yahweh. And His Son, the Messiah and our Savior..Yahushua
Some want to tell us that we worship a trinity
When going furthur into this subject with one who believes a trinity, they often like to explain away the contradictions with saying:
"It's just one of the great mysteries of the faith"
A mystery indeed, it doesn't make sense.
3 is 1 yet 1 is all three yet all 3 are 1 and 1 is all 3...
Most of the basis of it is concerning the use of the title "Elohim", translated "God"
The word "Elohim" is the most overused word in trying to prove the Trinity.
Or perhaps the common english translation "God"
I came to understand that this word "Elohim" does have other uses than 'deity'
It can also mean a "judge" or a "ruler"
This is also true of the word 'Theos' in greek
In fact, one of the translations translated "theos" as 'ruler'
Their overtrust in this word can be refuted if you understand that Elohim is a title that describes Yahweh just as the word "King" or "Master" describes Yahweh..
It is not really a crown of some sort, as many Christians would say
It is not such a proprietary thing to be called "Elohim"
It is true that there is only one Elohim..
Just as there is really only one Master..
But the word is also used to describe man...
Psalms 29:1 - Give unto YAHWEH, O ye mighty, give unto YAHWEH glory and strength.
"Mighty" is "El" in Hebrew
There is also one that Yahshua pointed out.. as we will get into later
The word is also used to describe angels and yes, Yahshua also
He is very worthy of this title "Elohim"
But the common reasoning is..
The Father is "God"
the Son is "God
the Holy Spirit is "God"
thus they must be triune
We will examine this in light of scripture
They also further conclude that they are all co-equal
This too we will examine in light of scripture
Scripturally, it is certain that Father Yahweh is supreme and above all things!
But all things, all power and authority have been GIVEN to Yahushua
Father Yahweh is the giver of all life, the source of all things
From HIM all things flow..
All life
All love
All Spirit
It is written
Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:
I believe in this scripture
Yahweh is definitely ONE
What is the meaning of "One" in this verse?
In Hebrew, it is the word "Echad"
I believe that Yahushua also used 'Echad' in His prayer:
John 17:20 - Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
John 17:21 - That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 17:22 - And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Can we be one as Yahweh and Yahushua are one?
Can we be one with them?
Yes
Does this mean we are all co-equal?
No
Yahweh is above all
The Father
This verse alone wipes out the trinity concept. It is not one as in a 'number'
But one in unity of thought and will and purpose.
When our way is Yahweh's way...we are one with Him.
Does this mean that we are equal to Him?
Not even close
So oneness does not mean equality..
John 17:23 - I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Here is a place also where 'Echad' (translated 'one') is used
Genesis 2:24 - Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
"echad" flesh
So it doesn't mean 1 as in a number
but one as in unity
Yahweh is one
There is no disunity within Him. There are no disagreements between Yahushua and Yahweh
They are one in purpose and in thought
And we can share that oneness with them, HalleluYah :)
Now the very essence of the word "Father" is one that describes a giver of life
Yahushua referred to Father Yahweh as such. As do we!
One should not ascribe the title "Father" to one who hasn't created them
The very fact that Yahushua calls Him "Father" shows that His Father is His creator
Proverbs 30:4 - Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Here is an example of the Son being mentioned even in the Tanakh or Old Testament
Yahushua said:
John 17:3 - And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true Elohim, and Yahushua the Messiah, whom thou hast sent.
Yahushua called Him the only true Elohim.
Some might say that this was Yahushua speaking before He was glorified..in His earthly state
This is human reasoning, not found in scripture
The trinitarians especially like to say that Yahushua didn't really mean this as an eternal concept. But what Yahweh says thru Yahushua endures forever.
They say that it was just for that time when He was on earth.
We need to be on the lookout for excuses to excuse away scripture!
What did Yahushua call His Father AFTER His resurrection and ascension?
His co-equal?
Revelations 3:12 - "He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My Elohim, and he shall go out no more. And I will write on him the name of My Elohim and the name of the city of My Elohim, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My Elohim. And I will write on him My new name.
No, Father Yahweh is STILL His Elohim
Therefore it has not changed, Father Yahweh is still the Elohim of Yahushua, and therefore greater than He.
John 14:28 - Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
What has changed is that Yahweh exalted Yahushua above all
Yahushua said it so plain:
John 10:27 - My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
John 10:28 - And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
John 10:29 - My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
All things are given TO Yahushua by the Father...
And Yahweh is greater than all.
I do not take honor from Yahushua in saying this
Yahushua said it Himself!
Matthew 19:17 - And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, YAHWEH: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Even Yahushua had to recognize that any goodness He had...came from the Father
Therefore, I do not take honor from Yahushua in saying this
He is worthy of all praise, honor and yes.. "Worship"
In this I will elaborate later
But for now let's consider the position of Yahushua after all things are completed
After death is defeated
And we are with Him
Will he be co-equal to the Father?
Let's see:
1Corinthians 15:20 - But now is the Messiah risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Corinthians 15:21 - For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Corinthians 15:22 - For as in Adam all die, even so in the Messiah shall all be made alive.
1Corinthians 15:23 - But every man in his own order: the Messiah the firstfruits; afterward they that are the Messiah's at his coming.
(so much for deceased grandparents looking down from heaven, smiling, etc)
(but that's another subject :))
1Corinthians 15:24 - Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to YAHWEH, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Corinthians 15:25 - For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Corinthians 15:26 - The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Corinthians 15:27 - For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
Who put all things under Yahushua?
Who is this One who is "excepted"?
Who is excepted? The Father is excepted, who is greater than all
He is the one who put all things under Yahushua
Because He is above all
1Corinthians 15:28 - And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that YAHWEH may be all in all.
So Yahushua will be subject to Father Yahweh in a future time..even as now!
And this is the blessing of order !
1Corinthians 11:4 - Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1Corinthians 11:3 - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is the Messiah; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of the Messiah is YAHWEH.
Now let's look into this matter of worship
Some say that one should not worship Yahushua
They even say that if you do worship Yahushua, you are committing idolatry
Let's examine this in light of scripture
Matthew 28:16 - Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Yahushua had appointed them.
Matthew 28:17 - And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Yes, the disciples worshipped Yahushua. And Yahushua accepted such.
Why? Let's look at what He said
Matthew 28:18 - And Yahushua came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
All power is GIVEN to Yahushua in heaven and earth!
HalleluYah!!
Yahushua is WORTHY!! For He overcame the world! And in Him there is LIFE and Salvation!
Now it is not unusual for one to worship somebody who represents the kingdom of Yahweh
Men worshipped David.
Yes.
It is true, scripture says so
Men worshipped David!
And David said nothing
David was the anointed of Yahweh
The word anointed is "Mashiach" or Messiah.
Now David was Not Yahweh
But He represented Yahweh's kingdom of Israel
2Samuel 14:4 - And when the woman of Tekoah spake to the king, she fell on her face to the ground, and did obeisance, and said, Help, O king.
2Samuel 14:5 - And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, I am indeed a widow woman, and mine husband is dead.
Here, the word used for obeisance is also translated 'Worship' 99 other times
in scripture
Even in Exodus 20 in the Ten Commandments we find this same original Hebrew word used
Consider also:
Revelations 3:9 - "Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie--indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.
Consider also the psalm:
Psalms 45:6 - Thy throne, O Elohim, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right
sceptre.
This is a psalm speaking of Yahushua the Messiah
It is quoted as such in Hebrews
Hebrews 1:8 - But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O Elohim, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
Notice that the Son is called "Elohim" here
continuing..
Psalms 45:7 - Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore Elohim, thy Elohim, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Here again, Yahushua's Elohim is none other than Father Yahweh. The verse clarifies which Elohim.. HIS (Yahushua's) Elohim..the Father.
Psalms 45:8 - All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad.
Now this is an allegory of Yahushua and His assembly... much like Song of
Solomon
Let's continue to read this
Psalms 45:9 - Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of
Ophir.
Psalms 45:10 - Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house;
Psalms 45:11 - So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: for he is thy Master; and worship thou him.
This shows why we worship Yahushua, He is our Master and represents Yahweh.
But this doesn't mean that we worship a trinity!
Now there are a few verses...that many would try to show to support the Trinity doctrine...
Many of these scriptures happen to name 3 things in one sentence...Father, Son and Holy Spirit
They are used extensively by "trinity believers"
But those scriptures that name 3 things (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) do not prove what the position or role of the Father, Son or Holy Spirit is.
It does not make them co-equal...
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were mentioned many times in the Law and Prophets...
Are they triune also?
Peter, James and John are three names often used together in the NT, but this does not make them 3 in 1..
Let's look at one scripture in particular..
Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit:
Many would say this proves the trinity...
But most of them have no idea what this verse means
Consider Acts...
Acts 2:38 - Then Kepha said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Yahushua the Messiah for the forgiveness of
sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
For baptism do we have 2 conflicting scriptures?
One says in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The other, the Son's name only
Christian scholars have argued for centuries over this
But this is where those who know the true name of the Son become enlightened with a wonderful truth...
Yahushua means "YAHweh is Salvation"
Within the name of the Son we have also the name of the Father
"Yah"
Even as Yahushua has said
John 5:43 - I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
Both literally and spiritually
He knew that He came in His Father's name
Therefore within the name of the Son, we also have the name of the Father
Now what about the name of the Holy Spirit?
John 14:26 - But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Yahushua
So if we baptize in the name of Yahushua...
We have within His name...the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit
Therefore Yahushua is the name for baptism
Therefore the disciples understood what He meant in Mat 28:19 and shortly after in Acts 2:38 baptized in Yahushua's name
So He certainly didn't mean Trinity
Now let's look at Philippians
Philippians 2:1 - If there be therefore any consolation in the Messiah, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
Philippians 2:2 - Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.
Philippians 2:3 - Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
In lowliness of mind
Like whom?
Philippians 2:4 - Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
Philippians 2:5 - Let this mind be in you, which was also in the Messiah Yahushua:
Philippians 2:6 - Who, being in the form of Elohim, thought it not robbery to be equal with YAHWEH:
Now here is a clear example of the King James Version bias for the trinity
Are we to have the mind that it isn't robbery to be equal with Father Yahweh?
After examining the original language it is very clear that verse 6 is a mistranslation
The NIV (amazingly) clears up the text
Phil 2:6 (NIV) Who, being in very nature Elohim, did not consider equality with Elohim something to be grasped,
It means just the opposite! Look it up for yourself.
Yahushua did not think that equality with Yahweh was something even to be grasped
The context screams out this correct translation..
'The form of a servant" "Made Himself of no reputation" "Let this mind be in you," etc
continuing
Philippians 2:7 - But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Philippians 2:8 - And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Very clear when translated rightly
continuing..
Philippians 2:9 - Wherefore YAHWEH also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Who is greater, one who has the authority to exalt or the one being exalted?
Philippians 2:10 - That at the name of Yahushua every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Philippians 2:11 - And that every tongue should confess that Yahushua the Messiah is Master, to the glory of YAHWEH the Father.
If I read verse 11 correctly... If we lift up Yahushua, We are lifting up the Father...if we praise Yahushua , we are praising the Father..it is all to the glory of Yahweh the Father!
Matthew 28:18 - And Yahushua came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
All things GIVEN to Him!
By whom? Who could be greater?
Father Yahweh
The source of all life and love and Spirit
John 5:14 - Afterward Yahushua findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
John 5:15 - The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Yahushua, which had made him whole.
John 5:16 - And therefore did the Jews persecute Yahushua, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
John 5:17 - But Yahushua answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
John 5:18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that Elohim was his Father, making himself equal with Elohim.
Now here we have 2 accusations
1. He broke the Sabbath
2. He was making himself equal with Elohim
Neither were true
Yahushua did not break the Sabbath
We know that, or He would have sinned
And He would have not been the lamb without blemish
Therefore, these were accusations from the false leaders and not statements of doctrine,
(as some would claim)
John 10:31 - Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
John 10:32 - Yahushua answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
John 10:33 - The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself Elohim.
Here is the accusation again..
Now here would have been the opportunity for Yahushua to show them if He was Elohim in the sense of a deity
But rather, Yahushua demotes the greatness of such a title
John 10:34 - Yahushua answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are elohim?
This is a quote from a psalm
Again, It is truth that this word Elohim is used in reference to Angels, judges, men and yes, Yahushua
This is what Yahushua pointed out to them..and it is what I point out to others
But this word is never used in sense of the "the source of all things, the giver of all life" to any other thing but Father Yahweh Himself
Yahushua defended this claim with the scripture that refers to men as also "elohim'
This shows that they had a false concept of what "Elohim" means, just as do leaders of today
Yahushua defended this claim with the scripture that refers to men as also "elohim'
John 10:35 - If he called them elohim, unto whom the word of YAHWEH came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
John 10:36 - Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of Elohim?
John 10:37 - If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
John 10:38 - But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
The source of all life, Father YAHWEH...is IN Him. But He ISN'T equal to Him
Yet, He IS worthy of praise and worship
Because He represents Yahweh and His power
And all honor we give Him, we are giving to Yahweh
John 8:13 - The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.
John 8:14 - Yahushua answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.
John 8:15 - Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
John 8:16 - And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
John 8:17 - It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
John 8:18 - I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
So two bear witness...now I ask, where is the Holy Spirit in all of this?
John 8:19 - Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Yahushua answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
Isn't that the third witness, if the trinity is truth?
The Holy Spirit is simply the Spirit of Yahweh
It is His Spirit..and His Spirit IS Holy
The Spirit proceeds from Yahweh
John 15:26 - But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the
Father, he shall testify of me:
The Holy Spirit is that Spirit that proceeds from the Father, no wonder it is Kodesh!! (Holy).
John 8:42 - Yahushua said unto them, If Elohim were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from Elohim; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
See, Yahushua also comes from the Father...
I think there is a pattern here?
That ALL Things come from the Father!
HalleluYah!!
1Corinthians 8:5 - For though there be that are called mighty ones, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be mighty ones many, and masters many,)
1Corinthians 8:6 - But to us there is but one Elohim, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Master Yahushua the Messiah, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Is there not a distinction here in the position of the Father compared to who the Son is??
The Father is the source of all things and He does all things through Yahushua the Messiah.
by His Spirit
There is one Elohim and one Master..
And I don't see a separate Holy Spirit here!
It is Yahweh's Spirit.
For the Father is like the "generator"
The Holy Spirit is like the "Electricity"
And the Son is the wires.. the Way to The Father
and we?
Through this.. we are the light of the world.
HalleluYah and may Yahweh's Spirit dwell in us to reveal to us His ways and His truth
And may Yahweh be with you and bless you all
End of Message.
<DelaYah> \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/
<Jay_Emm> \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ HalleluYah !!! \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/
<Lydia_Jozef> Thank you for the message, the true bread for today, THAT WE
MAY LIVE BY IT, and digest it, and grow strong THROUGH YAHUSHUA, THE BREAD OF LIFE WITH SPIRITUAL VITAMINE A-B-C AND THE REST AND COMPLEXES\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/
<BrBob> <EliYah> For the Father is like the "generator"
<BrBob> <EliYah> The Holy Spirit is like the "Electricity"
<Dinish1> baruch hashem,Elohenu Echad
<BrBob> <EliYah> And the Son is the wires.. the Way to The Father
<BrBob> <EliYah> And the Son is the wires.. the Way to The Father
<WAYne> Praise Father YHWH Through Yahushua The Messiah \o/
<DelaYah> \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/
<DelaYah> \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/
<BrBob> Praise Yahweh!
<Ruach> Greetings I have recently read some matrerial in the forum, for which I have been wondering if, in the Way of Yahweh, we should be tending to - Bodily cleanness of Lev. 15; I need to know for my house and family, for the Covenant's sake-
<Angel> HalleluYah!
<downlo> Delightful!!
<EliYah> Ruach, I do believe we should observe lev. 15
<Ruach> DOES ANYONE HERE OBSERVE THIS LAW
<Ruach> SORRY FOR THE CAPS
<DelaYah> Yes Ruach, however there may be inconsistencies in what you have read.... we belive that we ought to keep the Law of YHWH
<steved> Thankyou Bro Eliyah for a clear concise teaching on this matter - I am very encouraged
<EliYah> We (my family and I) do
<TaomYah> shalom bro buddy heard one of you members ran intoone of ours at the supermarket
<michaela> Eli, question please?
<Ruach> Sorry again typo
<EliYah> yes
<Yahdah> shalom all,
<michaela> was the Son with the Father before world was made?
<DelaYah> May Yahweh bless you this night ShabbaT Shalom
<WAYne> Shabbat Shalom Yahdah :o
<Ruach> You mean a menstruous womna thing also?
<EliYah> Shabbath Shalom
<EliYah> Yes, Ruach
<Lydia_Jozef> yahdah IS OUR DAUGHTER, iT IS THE FIRST TIME FOR HER
<EliYah> Yes, Michaela
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<eaglepro> EliYah, is it true that the Rabbis changed the word in the Shema from echad meaning ...one, a composite..to yacheed meaning one singular??
<BroM> Shabbat Shalom Yahdah
<Ruach> Bt does nopt Messiah make us all clean?
<EliYah> I haven't heard that
<steved> that is wonderful Lydia_jozef
<EliYah> Welcome, Yahdah :)
<michaela> Eli, what was the Son then? what type of being?
<michaela> help
<Dinish1> Lehithraot
<EliYah> The Son of Yahweh..
<michaela> deity?
<EliYah> Often called "THE Angel of Yahweh"
<Lydia_Jozef> sorry for the caps
<Ruach> Do I really need to sleep in a different bed when My Wife is in her menstruous period?
<EliYah> And other times, Yahweh
<michaela> an angel?
<Yahdah> ya, can anyone tell me what my name means ? I have had several interpretations
<Yahdah> thankyo for the welcomes :o)
<michaela> i don't understand
<EliYah> That is what we do, Ruach
<eaglepro> praise
<BrBob> While talking about our beliefs to our lead archeologist, he refered to him as
Yehoshua.
<EliYah> Isaiah 44:6 - Thus saith YAHWEH the King of Israel, and his redeemer YAHWEH of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no Elohim.
<EliYah> Here He is called "Yahweh"
<EliYah> 2 Yahweh's here
<michaela> right
<Schmuel> eagle ... the idea that "echad" is a special type of one..
<Schmuel> is a trinitarian fabrication , picked up by the messianics
<michaela> i still don't understand what type of being the Son is
<WAYne> Yeho >modern Hebrew - Yahu.Paleo !
<EliYah> There are many mysteries I think..as to the role of the Son previous to His life on earth
<Schmuel> echad is the counting number one, exactly like "uno" in spanish, or "one" in english
<choosenam> Is Yahshua a spirit of Yahweh
<michaela> indeed
<EliYah> It is definitely "Echad" in the Masoretic text of De. 6 4
<EliYah> Shema Yisrael, Yahweh Elohainu, Yahweh Echad!
<BrBob> His name is Yehiel. Pray that Yahweh might work with this man to be able to do a great work here in this land if Yahweh is willing.
<Ruach> Is this trinity we are talking?
<eaglepro> yes, when a rib was taken out of Adam the word used is echad...one of many..a composite.
<TaomYah> + leviticus 15 verse 24
<michaela> Eli, is virgin birth story accurate?
<TaomYah> + leviticus 15 24
<Ruach> Taomyha you observe lev 15 also?
<TaomYah> yes its the law
<michaela> some pagans say it's from mythology
<EliYah> Yes, it's in scripture
<Ruach> Are people at danger by not keeping this commnad?
<EliYah> I believe in scripture over what pagans say
<EliYah> If they rebel against it, certainly Ruach
<TaomYah> when you break the law in any area you are in danger
<michaela> but, it's true other religions have virgin stories too
<BrBob> Mithra is a paralell to Christianity that has permeated the Christian religion, I saw it first hand yesterday
<TaomYah> you brek one you break them all
<Lydia_Jozef> Although Yahweh is the King of the Universe, Earth is also stille enemy territory for it is still 'under' the el of this system of things
<michaela> where brbob?
<EliYah> This one tops them all :)
<BrBob> Down near the Dead Sea
<Ruach> What kind of danger though, eternal damnation? No kingdom for these.
<michaela> you saw it?
<BrBob> Funny observation....
<EliYah> Where do rebels go
<michaela> i can't imagine
<EliYah> Shalom BobW :)
<BrBob> Yes, We visited an ancient monestary
<BroM> Shalom BobW
<WAYne> Shabbat Shalom BobW :)
<Schmuel> Bob, are u in HaEretz ?.
<mikesuzyB> what about verses 29-30 in Lev 15
<Angel> Shalom BrBob!
<BobW> Shalom all
<michaela> i read romans believed in mithra
<TaomYah> best for you to rad lev 15 and see what the fathers SPIRIT tells u
<TaomYah> read
<BrBob> Their dining area was a Mithra cave replica
<michaela> wow
<Ruach> Correct me here if I ma wrong but it sounds that , we must observe this Leviticus 15 to be able to enter into eternal life?
<michaela> i wouldn't eat there
<EliYah> Do we have to keep the Sabbath or feasts to inherit eternal life? I think Yahweh expects us to do the things He teaches us about.
<TaomYah> in heaven or new earth the father will be ther you cant come before him unclean in any manor
<BrBob> The idol is nothing...
<WAYne> faith with out works is dead
<WAYne> :)
<Ruach> Oh like in mount horeb?
<michaela> but Yeshua said only what comes out the HEART makes you unclean
<EliYah> And works without faith is dead :)
<WAYne> :)
<TaomYah> yes or like in the congregation or the sancuary
<EliYah> He was contrasting that with eating with unwashen hands
<EliYah> not torah keeping
<eaglepro> action without faith is dead...faith without action is dead
<michaela> or washing the body
<EliYah> Are there any prayer requests?
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