Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 8/1/97

BrClif YaHUshua/"Joshua" 23:9-13
[22:02] BrClif 9 And YHWH has expelled from you great and mighty goyim/nations... 10 One
[22:02] BrClif man of you shall pursue a thousand, for YHWH Elohaychem is He who is
[22:02] BrClif fighting for you, as He has spoken to you. 11 And you shall be very
[22:02] BrClif watchful for yourselves to love YHWH Elohaychem("your Elohim"). 12 But if
[22:02] BrClif you at all turn away and cling to the remnant of the goyim/nations, of
[22:02] BrClif those who are left to you, and intermarry with them, and go in to them, and
[22:02] BrClif they to you, 13 YOU should positively know that YHWH your Elohim will not
[22:02] BrClif continue to dispossess these goyim/nations on your account; and they must
[22:03] BrClif become to you as a trap and as a snare and as a scourge on your
[22:03] BrClif flanks and as thorns in your eyes until you have perished off this good
[22:03] BrClif ground that YHWH your Elohim has given you.
[22:03] BrClif Shades of Kefa/Peter quoting, "Be separate; be holy."
[22:03] BrClif --------
[22:03] BrClif Again, we see that YHWH will remove His protection against traps, pits, and
[22:03] BrClif snares of the Goyim, if...
[22:03] BrClif Jg2:1-3
[22:03] BrClif 1 And the Malach-YHWH came up from Gilgal to The Place of Weeping, and
[22:03] BrClif said, "I caused you to come up out of Mitzrayim/Egypt, and brought you into
[22:04] BrClif the land which I had sworn to your fathers and said, 'I shall not break My
[22:04] BrClif covenant with you FOREVER.' 2 And you, you shall cut no covenant [make no
[22:04] BrClif peace treaties] with the inhabitants of this land. You shall break down
[22:04] BrClif their altars. [Not only avoid ecumenicalism and interfaith efforts, but
[22:04] BrClif also make spiritual war with false religion, to the end of tearing it
[22:04] BrClif down.] Yet you have not listened to My voice. What is this you have done? 3
[22:04] BrClif So I, in turn, have said, 'I shall not drive them away from before you, and
[22:04] BrClif they must become snares to you, and their elohim/"mighty ones" will serve
[22:04] BrClif as a lure to you.'"
[22:05] BrClif -----------
[22:05] BrClif In Psalms 106:6-48, what appears to be a summarized history of Yisrael's
[22:05] BrClif trangressions against YHWH, we see that Yisrael's failure to exterminate
[22:05] BrClif the Goyim and destroy their elohim became a snare for them, just as YHWH
[22:05] BrClif said it would...
[22:05] BrClif Ps106:36
[22:05] BrClif 36 And they kept serving their elohim/idols,
[22:05] BrClif And these came to be a snare to them.
[22:05] BrClif -------------------
[22:05] BrClif You will have new parents if you are successfully entrapped to the point of
[22:05] BrClif death...
[22:06] BrClif Iyov/"Job" 17:14
[22:06] BrClif 13 If I wait for Sheol/Shaul as my house; I have spread out my bed in the
[22:06] BrClif darkness 14 To the pit(corruption) I shall have to say, 'You are my
[22:06] BrClif father!' To the maggot, 'My mother and my sister!'
[22:06] BrClif ---------------------------
[22:06] BrClif IF WE DO GET TRAPPED, YHWH CAN DELIVER US...
[22:06] BrClif Psalms 124:1-8 is a Psalm describing how YHWH will deliver us from a trap.
[22:06] BrClif ---------------------------
[22:06] BrClif A method for delivering others out of a snare...
[22:06] BrClif 2Ti2:24-26
[22:06] BrClif 24 But a slave of YHWH ought not to quarrel, but to be gentle towards all,
[22:06] BrClif apt to teach, forbearing, in meekness teaching those who have opposed, if
[22:07] BrClif perhaps Elohim may give them repentance for a full knowledge of the truth
[22:07] BrClif 26 and they may come back to their proper senses out from the snare of the
[22:07] BrClif Devil, seeing that they have been caught alive by him for the will of that
[22:07] BrClif one.
[22:07] BrClif -----------------
[22:07] BrClif It is fitting and acceptable to deliver a wayward/prodigal person from the
[22:07] BrClif pit on Shabbat, as YaHUshua has taught us. . .
[22:07] BrClif MattitYaHU 12:11
[22:07] BrClif 11 He said to them: "Who will be the man among you that has one
[22:07] BrClif SHEEP and, if this FALLS into a PIT on the sabbath, will not get
[22:07] BrClif hold of it and lift it out?
[22:08] BrClif ---------------
[22:08] BrClif A false religious leader is a trap setter, and cannot be a deliverer from
[22:08] BrClif the trap, as our Master YaHUshua taught. . . "He who does not gather with
[22:08] BrClif me, scatters."
[22:08] BrClif MattitYaHU 15:14
[22:08] BrClif 14 LET them [the false religion leaders] be. Blind guides is what they are.
[22:08] BrClif If, then, a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit."
[22:08] BrClif Lu6:39
[22:08] BrClif 39 Then he also spoke an illustration to them: "A blind man cannot guide a
[22:08] BrClif blind man, can he? Both will tumble into a pit, will they not?
[22:08] BrClif ------------
[22:08] BrClif YHWH DELIVERS FROM TRAPS, PITS, AND SNARES
[22:08] BrClif We can be rescued from the pit by YHWH's forgiveness and possess Shalom...
[22:09] BrClif Isa38:17
[22:09] BrClif 17 Look! For shalom was bitter to me, yes, bitter; And you yourself have
[22:09] BrClif become attached to my soul [and kept it] from the pit of disintegration.
[22:09] BrClif For you have thrown behind your back all my sins.
[22:09] BrClif -------------------
[22:09] BrClif YHWH will deliver us! Watchman, will you please play for us Psalms 91:1-8?
[22:09] BrClif +psalms 91:1-3
[22:10] BrClif +psalms 91 1-3
EliYah +psa 91:1-3
- *EliYah* +psa 91:1-3
EliYah Psalms 91:1 - He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the
shadow of the Almighty.
EliYah Psalms 91:2 - I will say of YAHWEH, He is my refuge and my fortress: my Elohim; in him
will I trust.
EliYah Psalms 91:3 - Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome
pestilence.
- *EliYah* +psa 91:4-6
EliYah Psalms 91:4 - He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his
truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
EliYah Psalms 91:5 - Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by
day;
EliYah Psalms 91:6 - Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that
wasteth at noonday.
- *EliYah* +psa 91:7 8
EliYah Psalms 91:7 - A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall
not come nigh thee.
EliYah Psalms 91:8 - Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
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[22:11] BrClif Thank You!
[22:11] BrClif Watchman must not like working on shabbat. : )
EliYah Lagg
[22:12] BrClif -------------
[22:12] BrClif YHWH ALSO SNARES AND TRAPS!
[22:12] BrClif YHWH is the stone of stumbling and the rock that causes falling, and a trap
[22:12] BrClif and a snare to the inhabitants of Yerushalayim! He can be a trap and a
[22:12] BrClif snare to the wicked of His own people! Read YeshaYaHU 8: 11-22
[22:12] BrClif :)
[22:12] BroDavid He could've hired a "shabbas goy" to print out the scriptures! :)
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[22:12] BrClif LOL
[22:12] BrClif ---------------------
[22:12] BrClif YHWH has snared and trapped His people for a very good reason...
[22:12] BrClif Isa42:22-25
[22:12] BrClif 22 But it is a people plundered and pillaged, all of them being trapped in
[22:12] BrClif holes, and in the houses of detention they have been kept hidden. They have
[22:13] BrClif come to be for plunder without a deliverer, for pillage without anyone to say: "Bring
back!" 23 Who among you will hear
[22:13] BrClif this, will listen and hear for the time to come? 24 Who gave Ya'akov to the
[22:13] BrClif plunderer, and Yisrael to the robbers? Did not YHWH? he against whom we
[22:13] BrClif have sinned? For they willed not to walk in His ways, and they did not obey
[22:13] BrClif His Torah. 25 Therefore He has poured on him [Yisrael] the fury of His
[22:13] BrClif anger, and the strength of battle; and it has set him on fire all around,
[22:13] BrClif yet he did not know; and it burned him, yet he did not lay it on his heart.
[22:14] BrClif -------------------------
[22:14] BrClif YHWH will heal His people Yisrael from their having fallen into the pit.
[22:14] BrClif Ps107:20
[22:14] BrClif 20 He proceeded to send his word(the Son?) and heal them
[22:14] BrClif And to provide [them] escape out of their pits.
[22:14] BrClif ---------------------------
[22:14] BrClif YHWH engages Himself in trapping the wicked...
[22:14] BrClif Ps11:6
[22:14] BrClif 6 He will rain down upon the wicked ones traps, fire and sulphur
[22:14] BrClif And a scorching wind, as the portion of their cup.
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[22:14] BrClif ---------------------
[22:14] BrClif YHWH CAUSES TRAPPERS TO FALL INTO A TRAP, PIT, OR SNARE...
[22:14] BrClif YHWH lets our enemies fall into a pit...
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[22:15] BrClif Genesis 14:10
[22:15] BrClif 10 Now the Low Plain of Siddim was pits upon pits of bitumen; and the kings
[22:15] BrClif of S'dom and Amorrah took to flight and went falling into them, and those
[22:15] BrClif who remained fled to the mountainous region.
[22:15] BrClif Ps7:15 (see 11-16)
[22:15] BrClif 15 A pit he has excavated, and he proceeded to dig it; But he will fall
[22:15] BrClif into the hole [that] he went making.
[22:16] BrClif The trapper will be trapped, in other words...
[22:16] BrClif ---------------------------
[22:16] BrClif The Goyim/nations have spread out a net for the YHWH's Torah-keepers and
[22:16] BrClif HaShem-ers...
[22:16] BrClif Ps9:15
[22:16] BrClif [Tehth]
[22:16] BrClif 15 The Goyim/nations have sunk down into the pit that they have made;
[22:16] BrClif In the net that they hid, their own foot has been caught.
[22:17] BrClif The Goyim are caught in the Torah violations caused by the traps they have
[22:17] BrClif set for YHWH's people.
[22:17] BrClif ---------------------------
[22:17] BrClif Trappers do not believe that YHWH sees the traps, or that there is even
[22:17] BrClif anyone to see them, so they set and set away... not knowing that He will
[22:17] BrClif return fire.
[22:17] BrClif Ps64:5
[22:17] BrClif 5 They make themselves strong in an evil plan; They make statements about
[22:17] BrClif hiding traps. They have said: "Who sees them?" 6 They search into injustice
[22:17] BrClif saying, "We have finished a well-laid plan.... 7 But Elohim shall shoot an
[22:17] BrClif arrow at them; their wounds shall suddenly appear."
[22:17] BrClif -------------------
[22:17] BrClif YHWH will conquer our trappers for us...
[22:17] BrClif Ps55:23
[22:17] BrClif 23 But you yourself, Oh Elohim, will bring them down to the lowest pit. As
[22:17] BrClif for [those] bloodguilty and deceitful men, they will not live out half
[22:17] BrClif their days. But as for me, I shall trust in you.
[22:18] BrClif --------------------
[22:18] BrClif The trapper whose tongue works deceit will find that...
[22:18] BrClif Pr26:27
[22:18] BrClif 27 He that is excavating a pit will fall into the same, and he that is
[22:18] BrClif rolling away a stone--back [on]to him it will return.
[22:18] BrClif Pr28:10
[22:18] BrClif 10 He that is causing the upright ones to go astray into the bad way will
[22:18] BrClif himself fall into his own pit, but the faultless ones themselves will come
[22:18] BrClif into possession of good.
[22:18] BrClif Ec10:8
[22:18] BrClif 8 He that is digging a pit will himself fall right into it; and he that is
[22:18] BrClif breaking through a stone wall, a serpent will bite him.
[22:19] BrClif Shaul was the pioneer in breaking through the wall of partition. Did a
[22:19] BrClif serpent bite him?
[22:19] BrClif -----------------
[22:19] BrClif The presence of YHWH's people can be a snare unto death to the
[22:19] BrClif goyim/nations...?
[22:19] BrClif Ex10:7
[22:19] BrClif 7 After that Pharaoh's servants said to him: "How long will this man
[22:19] BrClif [Mosheh] prove to be as a snare to us? Send the men away that they may
[22:19] BrClif serve YHWH their Elohim. Do you not yet know that Mitzrayim/Egypt has
[22:19] BrClif perished?"
[22:20] BrClif ---------------
[22:20] BrClif YHWH will lay a trap for Babel("Babylon")! Hallelu-YaH!
[22:20] BrClif Jer50:18+ (but esp. 24)
[22:20] BrClif -----------------
[22:20] BrClif In the following passage, we have depicted for us the Last Days destruction
[22:20] BrClif from YHWH...
[22:20] BrClif Isa24:17,18 & YirmeYaHU 48:43,44
[22:20] BrClif 17 DREAD and the HOLLOW and the TRAP are upon you, you inhabitant
[22:20] BrClif of the land. 18 And it must occur that anyone fleeing from the sound of the
[22:20] BrClif DREADed thing will fall into the HOLLOW, and anyone coming up from
[22:20] BrClif inside the hollow will be caught in the TRAP. For the very
[22:20] BrClif floodgates on high will actually be opened, and the foundations of
[22:20] BrClif the land will rock.
[22:21] BrClif Sounds like their will be NO getting away from the trap that YHWH will lay
[22:21] BrClif for those whom He will destroy!
[22:21] BrClif ---------------------
[22:22] BrClif In my study of this subject, the theme that seemed to be running through the scriptures,
is that even though unbelievers may set traps, pits, and snares for us, YHWH is in control, and He will
repay.
[22:22] BrClif Hallelu-YaH! --Sis. Juanita
[22:22] *** BrClif is now known as Qumran_Bet
[22:22] Qumran_Bet Emet! --Br. Jerry
EliYah Amazing how much Scripture had to say about traps/snares!
[22:22] Qumran_Bet The floor is now open for comments...
[22:23] Qumran_Bet Yes, there is more that I did not exhaust about nets, prisons, jail, jailers, etc.
[22:23] Qumran_Bet I found that YHWH's people seem to live in a state of being entrapped or under
the threat of being entrapped...
[22:24] BroDavid Interesting how the end-time toy and promulgator of commerece and filth is the Inter
NET!
[22:24] Qumran_Bet But YHWH always manages to make the thing turn around to His Glory and the
advantage of His people Yisrael.
[22:24] Qumran_Bet Yes. : )
EliYah The internet is a potential trap
[22:24] Qumran_Bet Yes.
EliYah Like the Television
EliYah BrClif, do you believe any of Paul's writings are inspired by Yahweh?
[22:25] BroDavid even the same SHAPE! (tube)
[22:25] Qumran_Bet "Y'shua said that many will come in His Name, and it is by doing His will that we
become known to Him and His Father. Knowledge itself can be a trap if we allow ourselves to become
worshippers of intellect. Not worshippers of Him." --Br. Jerry
[22:26] Qumran_Bet Even Satan says some inspired things...
[22:26] Qumran_Bet --Br. Clif
[22:26] Tamar4 that was not the question
[22:26] Qumran_Bet And this wasn't even a study of Shaul...
[22:27] Qumran_Bet I answered the question..
[22:27] Qumran_Bet didn't you hear the answer?
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[22:27] Tamar4 shakes her head
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[22:27] * BroDavid shakes together
[22:28] Qumran_Bet Even if Shaul were a false prophet/teacher chances are he would say/write
SOMETHING inspired...
[22:28] Qumran_Bet Just as Bilam said much that was inspired...
[22:28] BroDavid ....and...?....IS HE?
EliYah Do you believe he is?
[22:28] Qumran_Bet Inspired or a False Prophet?
[22:28] Qumran_Bet The more I read the word, the more I see the evidence against him.
[22:28] BroDavid inspired
[22:29] Tamar4 either you are of HIM or you are not..my humble opinion..man cannot serve to
masters either.
[22:29] Qumran_Bet The question is inspired by WHOM?
[22:29] Tamar4 two
[22:29] BroDavid by YAHWEH.....is he?
[22:29] Qumran_Bet Regardless, scripture says that YHWH inspired Bilam who was a false prophet...
[22:29] Qumran_Bet I didn't write the scripture. Take it up with YHWH.
[22:29] Tamar4 ken...but it does NOT say Paul was false
EliYah If He speaks not according to the law and the testimony, there is NO light in him
[22:30] Qumran_Bet I really don't know. All I am convicted about is that He is not a legitimate
apostle...
[22:30] BroDavid BrClif...do you not see the INCREDIBLE conversion, and change of heart/direction
in the life of Sha'ul?? It should be a testimony for ALL of us! (especially, us Jews!)
[22:30] Qumran_Bet It says all over it that Shaul is false...
[22:30] Qumran_Bet "Sheol, Sheol(Shaul, Shaul), why are you persecuting me..."
[22:31] Qumran_Bet If you want to be more fully indoctrinated on Shaul, then we can set aside a time...
[22:31] Qumran_Bet permitting me to amass the evidence against him.
[22:31] Tamar4 declines invitation
[22:31] Qumran_Bet I don't need Shaul to be saved.
[22:31] BroDavid He it was who said that while we were yet sinners, Yahshua died for us!
EliYah Perhaps we can do that sometime, BrClif
[22:31] Qumran_Bet Do you need Shaul for you Salvation(Y'shuah?)?
[22:31] Qumran_Bet Gee, I thought the Gospels made that clear...
[22:32] shakana You do not need any man.......
[22:32] BroDavid NEED? indeed, no. Yahshua is sufficient. The believers in China have not even the
Torah!
[22:32] shakana to be saved
[22:32] Qumran_Bet Yes, which is why the believers in China may still be in a pit.
[22:32] shakana but the Word was written down by inspired men of God.
[22:32] Qumran_Bet They are the fruit of the Pauline schism..
[22:32] Tamar4 Paul tells us he is not ashamed of the gospel of salvation..
[22:33] Qumran_Bet Shakana, IF it is the Word!
[22:33] * BroDavid believes with all his heart that some of them will shine much brighter than WE will in
the world to come! The very mention of one's bleief brings imprisonment and death
[22:33] Qumran_Bet Of course not, nor is Jim Bakker, or Jimmy Swaggart...
[22:33] shakana You deny some books and not others?
[22:33] Tamar4 Paul is often misquoted and misunderstood..but I do not believe he is a false prophet.
[22:33] Qumran_Bet "Where there is ignorance of the Torah, there is no transgression"
[22:33] Qumran_Bet This study was about traps, pits, and snares...
[22:34] BroDavid Paul was more scyhoole din Torah than any of us, I might add
[22:34] Qumran_Bet You have not seen what I have seen, my Sis.
[22:34] Qumran_Bet Which made him a perfect Jesuit for Judaism.
[22:34] BroDavid "and the eyes of both of them were opened...." (gen. 3)
[22:34] Tamar4 may not be a scholar, but does believe the entire word to be the inspired word
[22:34] shakana Amen
[22:35] Qumran_Bet When I was a child, I did childish things...but when I became a man, I put away
childish things."
[22:35] Qumran_Bet To quote Shaul.
EliYah Brethren, it is getting later...perhaps we should close?
[22:35] BroDavid yes, my dear brother :)
EliYah Heavenly Father Yahweh....
EliYah Through your son Yahoshua the Messiah we come to you this evening..
EliYah we thank you for this gathering tonite..
EliYah Thank you for the wisdom and light you have shown to us..
EliYah Thank you for all your mercy and truth..
EliYah We ask that you would continue to lead us...
EliYah into your light..the light of your word which is true..
EliYah Help us to know your will and your truth..
EliYah And help us to walk in the light you show to us..
EliYah We pray that you would reveal any error that we have unto us..
EliYah And have mercy on us
EliYah Help us to be your righteous servants on this day and through this week..
EliYah to be a light unto the world..
EliYah and to make your name exalted above all names...
EliYah Yahweh, Magnify your name!
EliYah Through Yahoshua, our Redeemer...
EliYah So let it be, HalleluYah!
[22:40] BroDavid ahmeyn! To Yah be the GLORY!!
[22:40] Tamar4 Amen
[22:40] Qumran_Bet So let it be. --Br. Clif
EliYah Thank you all...Yahweh bless you all

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