Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 07/30/99

Tonight I would like to share a subject that we have covered before in this channel

But it has been over a year and not many were here at the time it was shared

It is concerning the true nature of the Father, Yahweh. And His Son, our Messiah and Savior..Yahshua

Some want to tell us that we worship a trinity

When going furthur into this subject with one who believes a trinity, they often like to explain away the contradictions with saying:

"It's just one of the great mysteries of the faith"

A mystery indeed, it doesn't make sense!

3 is 1 yet 1 is all three yet all 3 are 1 and 1 is all 3...

Most of the basis of it is concerning the use of the title "Elohim", translated "God"

The word "Elohim" is the most overused word in trying to prove the Trinity.

Or perhaps the common english translation "God"

I came to understand that this word "Elohim" does have other uses than 'deity'

It can also mean a "judge" or a "ruler"

This is also true of the word 'Theos' in greek

In fact, one of the translations translated "theos" as 'ruler'

Their overtrust in this word can be refuted if you understand that Elohim is a title that describes Yahweh

just as the word "King" or "Master" describes Yahweh..

It is not really a crown of some sort, as many Christians would say

It is true that there is only one Elohim..

Just as there is really only one Master..

But the word is also used to describe man...

Psalms 29:1 - Give unto YAHWEH, O ye mighty, give unto YAHWEH glory and strength.

There is also one that Yahshua pointed out.. as we will get into later

The word is also used to describe angels and yes, Yahshua also

But it is certain that Father Yahweh is supreme and above all things!

But all things, all power and authority have been GIVEN to Yahshua

Father Yahweh is the giver of all life, the source of all things

From HIM all things flow..

All life

All love

All Spirit

It is written

Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, O Israel: YAHWEH is our Elohim, YAHWEH is one:

Yahweh is definitely ONE

What is the meaning of "One" in this verse?

In Hebrew, it is the word "Echad"

I believe that Yahshua also used 'Echad' in His prayer:

John 17:20 - Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

John 17:21 - That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 17:22 - And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

This verse alone wipes out the trinity concept. It is not one as in a 'number'

But one in unity of thought and will and purpose!!

When our way is Yahweh's way...we are one with Him!

Does this mean that we are equal to Him?

Not even close

So oneness does not mean equality..

John 17:23 - I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Genesis 2:24 - Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

So it can't mean 1 as in a number.

but one as in unity

Yahweh is one

There is no disunity within Him. There are no disagreements between Yahshua and Yahweh

They are one in purpose and in thought

And we can share that oneness with them, HalleluYah :)

Now the very essence of the word "Father" is one that describes a giver of life

Yahshua referred to Father Yahweh as such. As do we!

One should not ascribe the title "Father" to one who hasn't created them

The very fact that Yahshua calls Him "Father" shows that His Father is His creator

Proverbs 30:4 - Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Here is an example of the Son being mentioned even in the Tanakh or Old Testament

Yahshua said:

John 17:3 - And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true Elohim, and Yahushua the Messiah, whom thou hast sent.

Some might say that this was Yahshua speaking before He was glorified..in His earthly state

The trinitarians especially like to say that Yahshua didn't really mean this as an eternal concept. But what Yahweh says thru Yahshua endures forever

But they say that it was just for that time when He was on earth

We need to be on the lookout for excuses to excuse away scripture!

What did Yahshua call His Father AFTER His resurrection and ascension?

Revelations 3:12 - "He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My Elohim, and he shall go out no more. And I will write on him the name of My Elohim and the name of the city of My Elohim, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My Elohim. And I will write on him My new name.

Therefore it has not changed, Father Yahweh is still the Elohim of Yahshua, and therefore greater than He!

John 14:28 - Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 10:27 - My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

John 10:29 - My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 10:28 - And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:29 - My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

And Yahweh is greater than all!

I do not take honor from Yahshua in saying this

Yahshua said it Himself!

Matthew 19:17 - And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, YAHWEH: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Therefore, I do not take honor from Yahshua in saying this

He is worthy of all praise, honor and yes.. "Worship"

In this I will elaborate later

But for now let's consider the position of Yahshua after all things are completed

After death is defeated

And we are with Him

Will he be co-equal to the Father?

Let's see

1Corinthians 15:20 - But now is the Messiah risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

1Corinthians 15:21 - For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

1Corinthians 15:22 - For as in Adam all die, even so in the Messiah shall all be made alive.

1Corinthians 15:23 - But every man in his own order: the Messiah the firstfruits; afterward they that are the Messiah's at his coming.

(but that's another subject :))

1Corinthians 15:24 - Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to YAHWEH, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

1Corinthians 15:25 - For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

1Corinthians 15:26 - The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

1Corinthians 15:27 - For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

Who is this One who is "excepted"?

Who is excepted? The Father is excepted, who is greater than all

He is the one who put all things under Yahshua

1Corinthians 15:28 - And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that YAHWEH may be all in all.

And this is the blessing of order !

1Corinthians 11:3 - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is the Messiah; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of the Messiah is YAHWEH.

Matthew 28:16 - Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Yahushua had appointed them.

Matthew 28:17 - And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

Matthew 28:18 - And Yahushua came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

HalleluYah!!

Yahshua is WORTHY!! For He overcame the world! And in Him there is LIFE and Salvation!

Now it is not unusual for one to worship somebody who represents the kingdom of Yahweh

Men worshipped David

Yes

It is true

Men worshipped David!

David was the anointed of Yahweh

The word anointed is "Mashiach" or Messiah!

Now David was Not Yahweh

But He represented Yahweh's kingdom of Israel

2Samuel 14:4 - And when the woman of Tekoah spake to the king, she fell on her face to the ground, and did obeisance, and said, Help, O king.

2Samuel 14:5 - And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, I am indeed a widow woman, and mine husband is dead.

Even in Exodus 20 in the Ten Commandments we find this same original Hebrew word used

Psalms 45:6 - Thy throne, O Elohim, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

It is quoted as such in Hebrews

Hebrews 1:8 - But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O Elohim, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.

continuing..

Psalms 45:7 - Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore Elohim, thy Elohim, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Psalms 45:8 - All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad.

Let's continue to read this

Psalms 45:9 - Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir.

Psalms 45:10 - Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house;

Psalms 45:11 - So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: for he is thy Master; and worship thou him.

But this doesn't mean that we worship a trinity!

Now there are a few verses...that many would try to show to support the Trinity doctrine...

Many of these scriptures happen to name 3 things in one sentence...Father, Son and Holy Spirit

They are used extensively by "trinity believers"

But those scriptures that name 3 things (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) do not prove what the position or role of the Father, Son or Holy Spirit is.

It does not make them co-equal...

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were mentioned many times in the Law and Prophets...

Are they triune also?

Peter, James and John are three names often used together in the NT, but this does not make them 3 in 1..

Let's look at one scripture in particular..

Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit:

But most of them have no idea what this verse means

Consider Acts...

Acts 2:38 - Then Kepha said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Yahushua the Messiah for the forgiveness of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

One says in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

The other, the Son's name only

That is where those who know the true name of the Son become enlightened with a wonderful truth...

YAHshua means "YAHweh is Salvation"

Within the name of the Son we have also the name of the Father "Yah"

Even as Yahshua has said

John 5:43 - I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Therefore within the name of the Son, we also have the name of the Father

Now what about the name of the Holy Spirit?

John 14:26 - But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Therefore Yahshua is the name for baptism

Therefore the disciples understood what He meant in Mat 28:19 and shortly after in Acts 2:38 baptized in Yahshua's name

So He certainly didn't mean Trinity

Now let's look at Philippians

Philippians 2:1 - If there be therefore any consolation in the Messiah, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,

Philippians 2:2 - Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind.

Philippians 2:3 - Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

Like whom?

Philippians 2:4 - Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.

Philippians 2:5 - Let this mind be in you, which was also in the Messiah Yahushua:

Philippians 2:6 - Who, being in the form of Elohim, thought it not robbery to be equal with YAHWEH:

Are we to have the mind that it isn't robbery to be equal with Father Yahweh?

After examining the original language it is very clear that verse 6 is a mistranslation

The NIV (amazingly) clears up the text

Phil 2:6 (NIV) Who, being in very nature Elohim, did not consider equality with Elohim something to be grasped,

Yahshua did not think that equality with Yahweh was something even to be grasped

The context screams out this correct translation..

'The form of a servant" "Made Himself of no reputation" "Let this mind be in you," etc

continuing

Philippians 2:7 - But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Philippians 2:8 - And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

When translated rightly

continuing..

Philippians 2:9 - Wherefore YAHWEH also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Philippians 2:10 - That at the name of Yahushua every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Philippians 2:11 - And that every tongue should confess that Yahushua the Messiah is Master, to the glory of YAHWEH the Father.

It is all to His Splendor and honor, HalleluYAH!

Matthew 28:18 - And Yahushua came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

By whom? Who could be greater?

Father Yahweh

The source of all life and love and Spirit

John 5:14 - Afterward Yahushua findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

John 5:15 - The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Yahushua, which had made him whole.

John 5:16 - And therefore did the Jews persecute Yahushua, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.

John 5:17 - But Yahushua answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

John 5:18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that Elohim was his Father, making himself equal with Elohim.

1. He broke the Sabbath

2. He was making himself equal with Elohim

Neither were true

Anyway...Yahshua did not break the Sabbath

We know that, or He would have sinned

And He would have not been the lamb without blemish

Therefore, these were accusations from the false leaders and not statements of doctrine, as some claim

John 10:31 - Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

John 10:32 - Yahushua answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

John 10:33 - The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself Elohim.

Now here would have been the opportunity for Yahshua to show them if He was Elohim in the sense of a deity

But rather, Yahshua demotes the greatness of such a title

John 10:34 - Yahushua answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are elohim?

Again, It is truth that this word Elohim is used in reference to Angels, judges, men and yes, Yahshua

This is what Yahshua pointed out to them..and it is what I point out to others

But this word is never used in sense of the "the source of all things, the giver of all life" to any other thing but Father Yahweh Himself

Yahshua defended this claim with the scripture that refers to men as also "elohim'

John 10:35 - If he called them elohim, unto whom the word of YAHWEH came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

John 10:36 - Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of Elohim?

John 10:37 - If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

John 10:38 - But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Yet, He IS worthy of praise and worship

Because He represents Yahweh and His power

And all honor we give Him, we are giving to Yahweh

John 8:13 - The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.

John 8:14 - Yahushua answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.

John 8:15 - Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

John 8:16 - And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

John 8:17 - It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

John 8:18 - I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

John 8:19 - Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Yahushua answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

The Holy Spirit is simply the Spirit of Yahweh

The Spirit proceeds from Yahweh

John 15:26 - But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 8:42 - Yahushua said unto them, If Elohim were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from Elohim; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

I think there is a pattern here?

That ALL Things come from the Father!

HalleluYah!

1Corinthians 8:5 - For though there be that are called mighty ones, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be mighty ones many, and masters many,)

1Corinthians 8:6 - But to us there is but one Elohim, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Master Yahushua the Messiah, by whom are all things, and we by him.

The Father is the

source of all things and He does all things through Yahshua the Messiah!!

by His Spirit

There is one Elohim and one Master..

And I don't see a seperate Holy Spirit here!

It is Yahweh's Spirit!

For the Father is like the "generator"

The Holy Spirit is like the "Electricity"

And the Son is the wires.. the Way to The Father

and we?

We are now the light of the world

HalleluYah and may Yahweh's Spirit dwell in us to reveal to us His ways and His truth

And may Yahweh be with you and bless you all