Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 06/18/99


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Berean - Our Father , Allmighty YHWH
Berean - Thank You, for this day, that You have set apart, and designated, as a special day, to come closer to You
Berean - ThankYou, for the rest, that You show us how to have.... the refreshing, all which You have shown us from the beginning
Berean - Father, we praise You, for this opportunity to gather, and to be able to hear and discuss Your Word
Berean - Thank You Father, for the food, and drink, that we are to receive this Shabbat spiritually
Berean - Father, we ask, for Your blessing, on this Shabbat meeting, and that You bless each of us in this day of Shabbat
Berean - we ask, Father, that You cleanse us, refresh us, and strengthen us in Your Word, that we might grow closer to You
Berean - Father, blessed are You, for this Shabbat, which You have invited us to share!
Berean - we thankfully praise You, and ask that all matters are done by Your will.
Berean - we ask this all in Yahshua's covering name
Berean - HalleluYah!

EliYah's message:

HalleluYah!

Tonite I would like to speak on a subject that has often held my interest and I hope you find it interesting also :)

There are some things in Yahweh's word that he says not to do..but then it seems there are some things that are total outright abominations..

While we do not want to sin...we want to be particularly certain that we do not commit any abominations to Yahweh

The following are some scriptures that show Yahweh's teaching on what is an abomination

First, we see that to eat unclean animals is an abomination to him

Leviticus 11:10 - And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

Leviticus 11:11 - They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.

Leviticus 11:12 - Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

This word that is translated abomination...

This word that is translated abomination... 08263 sheqets {sheh'-kets} from 08262; TWOT - 2459a,2459b; n m AV - abomination 9, abominable 2; 11 1) detestable thing or idol, an unclean thing, an abomination, detestation

Leviticus 11:20 - All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.

Leviticus 11:41 - And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.

Leviticus 11:42 - Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon all four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they are an abomination.

Now the following scriptures are from a different Hebrew word:

Now the following scriptures are from a different Hebrew word:

08441 tow`ebah {to-ay-baw'} or to`ebah {to-ay-baw'} act part of 08581; TWOT - 2530a; n f AV - abomination 113, abominable thing 2, abominable 2; 117

1) a disgusting thing, abomination, abominable

1a) in ritual sense (of unclean food, idols, mixed marriages)

1b) in ethical sense (of wickedness etc)

Here they are:

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Looks like the USA to me.. (babylon)?

Leviticus 18022: -

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 18:23 - Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

Leviticus 18:24 - Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

Leviticus 18:25 - And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

Leviticus 18:26 - Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:

Leviticus 18:27 - (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)

Here is a scripture showing why the observance of Christmas is an abomination:

Deuteronomy 12:29 - When YAHWEH thy Elohim shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;

Deuteronomy 12:30 - Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their elohim, saying, How did these nations serve their elohim? even so will I do likewise.

Deuteronomy 12:31 - Thou shalt not do so unto YAHWEH thy Elohim: for every abomination to YAHWEH, which he hateth, have they done unto their elohim; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their elohim.

Don't worship Yahweh with a pagan tradition! Don't take a pagan custom and apply it to the worship of Yahweh!

Deuteronomy 12:32 - What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

truly, we should not add to His word

as modern religion has done

Deuteronomy 17:2 - If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which YAHWEH thy Elohim giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of YAHWEH thy Elohim, in transgressing his covenant,

Deuteronomy 17:3 - And hath gone and served other elohim, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;

Deuteronomy 17:4 - And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:

Any kind of idolatry is an abomination to Him

Deuteronomy 17:5 - Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

Beware lest we also have an idol hidden in our hearts

Anytime we put our will or mans will above Yahweh's will, we commit idolatry

For we are setting ourselves up as elohim..the very heart of Satan's sin

Deuteronomy 18:9 - When thou art come into the land which YAHWEH thy Elohim giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

Deuteronomy 18:10 - There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

Deuteronomy 18:11 - Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Deuteronomy 18:12 - For all that do these things are an abomination unto YAHWEH: and because of these abominations YAHWEH thy Elohim doth drive them out from before thee.

Notice that Saul the King died soon after trying to consult Samuel thru a medium..

Deuteronomy 22:5 - The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto YAHWEH thy Elohim.

Is this not what we see today?

more abominations..

Deuteronomy 23:18 - Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of YAHWEH thy Elohim for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto YAHWEH thy Elohim.

Yahweh doesn't want money acquired thru sin in His tithe is how I interpret this.. more

abominations..

Deuteronomy 24:1 - When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

Deuteronomy 24:2 - And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.

Deuteronomy 24:3 - And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;

Deuteronomy 24:4 - Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before YAHWEH: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which YAHWEH thy Elohim giveth thee for an inheritance.

By the way, that word "uncleanness" in verse 1 is the same word translated "Nakedness" when the torah/law speaks of incest- ie sexual sin.

So I think Yahshua wasn't necessarily bringing up anything not already established when He said "except for fornication"

Remarrying a wife you have divorced after she married another then is also an abomination

Deuteronomy 25:15 - But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which YAHWEH thy Elohim giveth thee.

Proverbs 11:1 - A false balance is abomination to YAHWEH: but a just weight is his delight.

Cheating others out of money is an abomination...(Especially if that person is poor!) The scams we see today...nothing new under the sun

Proverbs 11:20 - They that are of a froward heart are abomination to YAHWEH: but such as are upright in their way are his delight.

froward/perverse or unruly.

Now here is an interesting verse:

Proverbs 6:16 - These six things doth YAHWEH hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

Proverbs 6:17 - A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Proverbs 6:18 - An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

Proverbs 6:19 - A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

It is written that the whole reason Yahweh kicked Judah out of the land was because they had shed innocent blood

2Kings 24:3 - Surely at the commandment of YAHWEH came this upon Judah, to remove them out of his sight, for the sins of Manasseh, according to all that he did;

2Kings 24:4 - And also for the innocent blood that he shed: for he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood; which YAHWEH would not pardon.

Thru manassah who offered children in the fire to molech.

In this nation...TRULY the spirit of Molech is in full force with Abortions

Every year, well over 1 million babies are murdered by their own mother

just in the USA alone

Proverbs 12:22 - Lying lips are abomination to YAHWEH: but they that deal truly are his delight.

Proverbs 8:6 - Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.

Proverbs 8:7 - For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.

Proverbs 17:15 - He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to YAHWEH.

This reminds me of the lawyers who defend the ones they know are guilty

Proverbs 21:26 - He coveteth greedily all the day long: but the righteous giveth and spareth not.

Proverbs 21:27 - The sacrifice of the wicked is abomination: how much more, when he bringeth it with a wicked mind?

Yahweh can not endure a sinner making a sacrifice unto Him..it is vain For instance..

Isaiah 1:11 - To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith YAHWEH: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

Isaiah 1:12 - When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

Isaiah 1:13 - Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

Why? Because they did these things while living a life of sin! What purpose is sacrifice? Is obedience not better than to sacrifice?

It's like one who sins all day long, spending an evening in worship without even repenting

It's vain

1Samuel 15:22 - And Samuel said, Hath YAHWEH as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of YAHWEH? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

This was Samuel speaking to Saul when Yahweh rejected him.

More abominations..

Isaiah 66:17 - They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith YAHWEH.

This scripture is actually speaking of a future time if you examine the context

Ezekiel 8:5 - Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry.

Ezekiel 8:6 - He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations.

This is where Yahweh showed Ezekiel the many abominations of Judah

Ezekiel 8:7 - And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall.

Ezekiel 8:8 - Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door.

Ezekiel 8:9 - And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.

Ezekiel 8:10 - So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.

I've seen houses with idols like this

Ezekiel 8:11 - And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.

Ezekiel 8:12 - Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, YAHWEH seeth us not; YAHWEH hath forsaken the earth.

What fools they were! We ought to be fools also if we do not realize that every work we do is not written down

Ezekiel 8:13 - He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.

Greater abominations?

Yes, Some say that all sin is equal.. that no sin is worse than another.. but not so according to Yahweh

Ezekiel 8:14 - Then he brought me to the door of the gate of YAHWEH's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.

There is a month that the Jews named Tammuz in Babylon. Tammuz is the false Messiah

Ezekiel 8:15 - Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.

Ezekiel 8:16 - And he brought me into the inner court of YAHWEH's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of YAHWEH, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of YAHWEH, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

There is alot of sun worship in modern day religion, even including modern day Christianity..these things they inherited from the traditions of the 'church fathers'. But that is another study ..

Ezekiel 8:17 - Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.

other abominations..

Ezekiel 43:8 - In their setting of their threshold by my thresholds, and their post by my posts, and the wall between me and them, they have even defiled my holy name by their abominations that they have committed: wherefore I have consumed them in mine anger.

Beware of defiling Yahweh's great name by committing abominations! When people see the abominations, they will associate Yahweh's name with your actions.

We must walk in righteousness and sincerely repent if we do fail

We must seek Yahweh's will diligently

We know that His will for us is written in Scripture

But beware lest we turn our ear away..

Proverbs 28:9 - He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

Today we are told to turn our ear away from the law

for in the minds of millions, it's abolished

Our heart should be..

Psalms 119:131 - I opened my mouth, and panted: for I longed for thy commandments.

Psalms 119:132 - Look thou upon me, and be merciful unto me, as thou usest to do unto those that love thy name.

Psalms 119:133 - Order my steps in thy word: and let not any iniquity have dominion over me.

Psalms 119:134 - Deliver me from the oppression of man: so will I keep thy precepts.

Psalms 119:135 - Make thy face to shine upon thy servant; and teach me thy statutes.

Psalms 119:136 - Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.

Concerning the Kindgom of Yahweh:

Revelations 21:27 - But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

And with that, I will close... May Yahweh bless you all :)

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DelaYah - thank You Father!!!
TrustInYHVH - Shabbat Shalom all!!
DelaYah - HalleluYAH!!!
TrustInYHVH - Praise YHVH
DelaYah - Psa 119:9 BETH. Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.
Bill_Angel - Shabbat shalom TIY
stmark - HalleluYahweh
braaf_Lydia - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ HalleluYah!!/o\o/\o
Yil_away - So is it an abomination for a woman to wear pants? pants in this culture, still have a masculine connotation.........
TAOMYAH - well frostings glad u came
TAOMYAH - u canchat now
EliYah - I guess many kinds of pants do
Bill_Angel - you get a big war when one tell the sister's about what the Law says of wemen wearing pants!
BrTom - Eliyah, may I please use some of this in Sabbath Greetings?
stmark - Greetins BrTom, nice to know your with us. Mark in Rocheport
braaf_Lydia - I agree If a pants is designed for sensuality it is wrong but many older woman wear a pants for warmth and comfort.
BrTom - Shalom Mark!
ylisha - wouldn't it be the way you wear clothes, how you act in the garments , more so than the garment itself?
stmark - Shabbat Shalom
EliYah - Yes, BrTom :)
BrTom - Todah
DelaYah - leg warmers would be tov... a dress over them would be fitting no?
Bill_Angel - Shalom BrTom!
braaf_Lydia - I agree Ylisha,
BrTom - Shalom Bill. Shalom Angel.
Bill_Angel - right DelaYah!
EliYah - I can't imagine a loose, pink colored pair of pants being appropriate for a man
BrTom - LOL
Yil_away - ( :
EliYah - So there must be some kinds of women's pants :D
DelaYah - ylisha.... not only how you act.... but that you dress "set-apart" from the way the women of the world dress
braaf_Lydia - Question, what is the IMAGE of jealousy in Ezekiel 8 vers 5?
EliYah - hmm
DelaYah - modesty i think is the 'key"
ylisha - please put the verse up
BrTom - 50 years ago pants on a woman was man's apparel. Today it is not always. But a skirt is still more feminine.
BrBuddy - Would any of you men go into the women's dept. and buy a pair of womens slacks?
DelaYah - Ezekiel 8:5 - Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry.
jirc - A woman wearing a mans clothes is a metaphor for a woman taking the place of a man with another woman sexually.
Bill_Angel - in reference to the abomination of homosexuality, in some places one cannot read a passage from the bible which condemns such acts here in USA!
braaf_Lydia - + Eze 8 5
EliYah - I think that is how it began, jirc
DelaYah - I agree jirc
Moonwatch - Let the Boys look like boys -- and the Girls look like Girls!!!
Yil_away - Notice that to pray toward the east in the temple, that the worshippers would have to turn their backs (phisically) toward the law, because it was commanded that the temple be always erected so that the worshipers would be praying toward the west
EliYah - The idol was before Yahweh's altar
EliYah - So perhaps that is why it is an image of jealousy
TAOMYAH - frostings a little differant then the sda chat rm huh
Netzarim - I think Eze is refering to the Statue of Mary, if you read on it becomes appearant that he continues a with a description of the Easter sunrise service, and that it was worse than the statue...
EliYah - I wouldn't doubt that at all Netzarim
EliYah - Since most images of Mary are actually old idol images
DelaYah - yes isis ishtar astarte ... ... ...
EliYah - Are there any other questions or added comments?
DelaYah - beltis
Berean - Psalms 20:7 - Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of YAHWEH our Elohim!!
BroJaan - Was the temple always built facing west?
BrTom - Ah-men
BrTom - Facing East
BroJaan - I forget, there was only one Temple, the one in Jerusalem
BrTom - Tabernacle was always erected the same way
BroJaan - Some people make it a point to pray east, facing Jerusalem
BroJaan - facing the temple
ylisha - just got the self worship part a little closer to home this time, it makes more sense all the time, thank you for the blessing
BrBuddy - I think it is good to pray to the east
DelaYah - Daniel 6:10 - Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his Elohim, as he did aforetime.
Berean - what if you are East of the Temple achi?
BroJaan - Then you pray west
TrustInYHVH - Yil: I believe this was to counter Sun worship
DelaYah - toward Jerusalem
Bill_Angel - many pray towards the North wear Yahweh's throne is
braaf_Lydia - Thank Yahweh for answered prayer!
EliYah - Are there any prayer requests?
BroJaan - Actually, if you take a plane, to Jerusalem, the shortest distance is actually north-east
TrustInYHVH - Now how do you know where Yahweh's throne is?
TrustInYHVH - The shortest distance is a straight line. :)
Bill_Angel - somewhere in scripture it says toward the north
BrBuddy - from where?
BroJaan - Not on a globe
BroJaan - :)
BroJaan - We can pray in all directions
BroJaan - Because YHWH is everywhere
Bill_Angel - good, me too!
Moonwatch - Pray in your closet.
braaf_Lydia - For ongoing spiritual awakening in our children. prayer request.
Bill_Angel - but usualy facing north
TrustInYHVH - facing any direction is physical, not spiritual
TrustInYHVH - be spiritual
ylisha - please pray for His soon coming
Bill_Angel - to each it's own!
BroJaan - I agree, all sin isn't equal, obviosly there are some sins worse than others
TrustInYHVH - to each, Yahweh
braaf_Lydia - Like paying taxes hehe
BroJaan - In Ezekiel 8:10 What are the idols mentioned ?
BroJaan - images of unclean animals?
TrustInYHVH - Who thinks tithing with money is correct?
BroJaan - Does that have meaning for today?
EliYah - Are we ready for prayer?
jirc - yes
ylisha - yes
braaf_Lydia - yes
BrBuddy - +1king 8 30
TrustInYHVH - Pray for peace.
EliYah - ok

Prayer Service Witheld..

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