Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 06/09/00


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BrTom - Almighty Father in Heaven, we come before you in the name of your son Yahshua. We ask in his name that you forgive our sins and our uncleanness and hear our prayer.
BrTom - Father we ask you to also send your spirit to be with us and in us tonight.
BrTom - We praise you for all the blessings and the great peace you give to us.
BrTom - Thank you abba/ father.
BrTom - Help us to be humble and small in our own eyes.
BrTom - and to be forgiving toward others all the time.
BrTom - Please be with all who join this service and give each a special blessing.
BrTom - In the name of your son Yahshua we praise you and thank you.
BrTom - HalleluYAH !

EliYah's message:

HalleluYah!!

Tonight we are near the feast of Shavuot (Pentecost)

Many of us will be celebrating and keeping this feast that is found in the law of Yahweh, as well as the New Testament

However, there are many in the world who will not enjoy the blessing of this day

All because they believe that the observance of this day is "Abolished"

This common teaching among the Mainstream churches has caused many to miss out on what is always a blessing every year

It is believed that this was the day the Ten Commandments were given

It is also the day that the Spirit of Yahweh fell upon the Apostles in Acts 2

Acts 2:1 - And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

It is also a day that Paul himself observed

Acts 20:15 - And we sailed thence, and came the next day over against Chios; and the next day we arrived at Samos, and tarried at Trogyllium; and the next day we came to Miletus.

Acts 20:16 - For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

and in writing to the Corinthians:

1Corinthians 16:7 - For I will not see you now by the way; but I trust to tarry a while with you, if YAHWEH permit.

1Corinthians 16:8 - But I will tarry at Ephesus until Pentecost.

So where is this teaching against the Holy days of Yahweh coming from?

Is it the writings of Paul?

Let'

Let's examine his writings and the writings of other scripture to determine the truth of the matter

Yahushua said:

Matthew 24:11 - And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:12 - And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Yahshua is speaking here that during the latter days false prophets will arise...

And apparently this will cause 'iniquity' to abound

It is interesting to do a word study on this word 'iniquity' that is translated from the greek language into our own.

It comes from the greek word "anomia".

We will find in the Thayer's greek lexicon a definition for this word:

BDB/Thayers # 458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from 459; TDNT - 4:1085,646; n f AV - iniquity 12, unrighteousness 1, transgress the law + 4060 1, transgression of the law 1; 15 1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it 1b) because of violating it 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Please remember that this is the greek word "Anomia". "the condition of without law".

The Strong's Lexicon defines this word with "illegality (i.e. violation of the law)"

So we can see that as a result of the False Prophets, a 'condition of without law' and 'illegality/violation of the law' will abound...

And because of this, the love of many shall wax/grow cold!

This is because Yahweh's law teaches us how to love Yahweh and how to love one another .

Now this is furthur proven in an earlier teaching that Yahshua shared:

Matthew 7:13 - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Matthew 7:14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Yahshua is informing us that the way to life is not a popular way.

It is not a road often travelled on.

In fact, He said that it is a 'narrow' way and FEW there be that find it!

Therefore today I call on all mankind, 33% of which profess to be christians..to TAKE HEED!

If we are on a path that MANY others are on, we surely cannot be on a path that few find!

continuing in Matthew 7..

Matthew 7:15 - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Because of the wolves, we must remember that the narrow path calls for discernment!

Matthew 7:16 - Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Matthew 7:17 - Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Note that both bring forth fruit

But one is evil, the other good

Matthew 7:18 - A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Matthew 7:19 - Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Matthew 7:20 - Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

So we will know them by their fruits!

Now Yahshua I believe is expounding on this. What is meant by good fruit?

Will they have many miracles and signs and wonders to prove that what they are teaching is true?

And to prove that their fruit is indeed good, and not evil?

Matthew 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Rabbi, Rabbi, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

ahh.. so just because someone considers Yahushua their Rabbi or Master..

that doesn't mean they will enter

We must do the will of our Father in Heaven also

What is the will of our Father which is in heaven? How do we know it?

Matthew 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day, Rabbi, Rabbi, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matthew 7:23 - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Hmm..there is that word again..

"Iniquity"

So here we have a group of people who profess to preach Yahshua

They even thought that they cast out demons, healed, prophesied and done many other wonderful works.

Sadly, they were apparently false teachers and deceived by the 'strong delusion'! What was Yahshua saying about them?

"Depart from me, ye that work iniquity!"

What was their TRUE work?

In the greek it is that word again, 'Anomia' which is 'illegality/violation of the law' or without law! (But translated 'iniquity')

Look it up, you will see. We can know them by their fruits!

Today and in generations past we have been taught that we are 'under grace' and need not keep that ol' law anymore.

But Yahshua says otherwise...He says that those who are without the law have no salvation

Now let's look at more instances of this word "Anomia" but first, let's examine the first part of its definition once more:

For this will furthur prove what I am saying

"BDB/Thayers # 458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from 459..."

Notice that this "Anomia" (#458) is derived from another word. It is word number 459

What is its definition?

BDB/Thayers # 459 anomos {an'-om-os} from 1 (as a negative particle) and 3551; TDNT - 4:1086,646; adj AV - without law 4, transgressor 2, wicked 2, lawless 1, unlawful 1; 10 1) destitute of (the Mosaic) law 1a) of the Gentiles 2) departing from the law, a violator of the law, lawless, wicked

So here we are given a more thorough definition. It's meaning is to be 'destitute of (the Mosaic) law'

So for those who might say we have a 'new law now'..and this is speaking of a new testament law, not the old (Mosaic) law' it becomes obvious that this statement has nothing to stand on.

In fact

You may notice that THIS word "Anomos" comes from the greek word "Nomos (3551)" which is translated "Law" nearly 200 times in the New Testament, almost without exception speaking of Yahweh's law in the "old testament"!

The "a" in "A-nomos" is the negative particle

the 'nomos' means "Law" and is translated "law" 197 times in the New Testament

So could we not surmise from these definitions what even the King James translators used in the following verse when coming across the word "Anomia"?...

1John 3:4 - Whoever commits sin trangresses also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.

In this verse, The phrase "transgression of the law" is from "Anomia"!

Again, this verse deals with 'Who Yahweh's people truly are' just as Yahshua had revealed:

1John 3:4 - Whoever commits sin trangresses also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.

1John 3:5 - And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.

1John 3:6 - Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

See, Yahushua came to take away our sins, not the entire law!

So whoever abides in Yahshua will not sin. Therefore they will not 'transgress the law' for sin is transgression of the (mosaic) law.

So indeed Yahshua spoke the truth when He said that 'transgression of the law' or "Anomia" would abound in the last days.

These verses in 1John are purely consistent with the teaching of Yahushua

Now lets examine more scriptures. But this time we will look at the word "Anomos" which literally means "destitute of (the Mosaic) law"

Mark 15:27 - And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.

Mark 15:28 - And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

This word "Transgressors" is indeed "anomos" which means those who are "destitute of (the Mosaic) law".

Interestingly, it is quoting an verse in the book of the prophet Isaiah.

Isaiah 53:12 - Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

The word "transgressors" in this verse is the Hebrew word "pasha"

This is the same Hebrew word translated "Transgressors" here in the following verse:

Psalms 37:38 - But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.

And "Transgressed" here:

Isaiah 66:22 - For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith YAHWEH, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Isaiah 66:23 - And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith YAHWEH.

Isaiah 66:24 - And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. .

See what happens to "the men that have {transgressed} against me" ?

This is purely consistent with Yahushua's words and the words of John, the Apostle

So, again we see that those who violate the law of Yahweh will be destroyed just as Yahshua predicted and "their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

Yahushua will be saying to them "Depart from me, ye that work Iniquity"

This is a serious thing to ponder my dear brothers!!!

We surely do not want to be in that group of people!!

Yet, who will hear this message?

Who has ears to hear?

As we will see, it is certainly not those who do not love the truth!

This is all part of satan's plan..to deceive men by the 'false prophets' into thinking we are have no need of His Torah/law/commandments today!

Let's examine a new testament passage

This time from the writings of Paul

2Thessalonians 2:1 - Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Master Yahushua the Messiah, and by our gathering together unto him,

2Thessalonians 2:2 - That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of the Messiah is at hand.

2Thessalonians 2:3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2Thessalonians 2:4 - Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called elohim, or that is worshipped; so that he as elohim sitteth in the temple of elohim, shewing himself that he is elohim.

2Thessalonians 2:5 - Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

Here is the prediction of a falling away..

but falling away from what?

2Thessalonians 2:6 - And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

2Thessalonians 2:7 - For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

It is a 'mystery', is it not?

And it was already at work

What greek word is used here that is translated "iniquity" in the phrase "Mystery of iniquity"?

You guessed it, "Anomia" or "Illegality/violation of the law"!

And what will happen with these people? Could it indeed be consistent with the teaching of Yahushua and John and the so-called "Old testament" as well?

2Thessalonians 2:8 - And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom Yahushua shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

The 'Wicked' will be revealed. But Now it is revealed to you that the translators hide this word "Anomia" behind many others...

Get this! The word translated "Wicked" in the following verse is "anomos" meaning one who is "destitute of (the Mosaic) law"

Acts 2:23 - Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of YAHWEH, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

The same word "Anomos" in Acts 2:23 and 2thess 2:8 <---- Anomos

Let's continue in 2thess

2Thessalonians 2:9 - Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Hmm..signs? Lying wonders?

He will deceive others through his servants, the false prophets who claim the MIRACLES as evidence of their teaching being the truth but teach others that there is NO LAW!

2Thessalonians 2:10 - And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

They did not recieve a love of the truth. What a sad, sorry condition :((( How important is it to love the truth?? Read that verse!!

We must love the truth to be saved, for it obviously leads to eternal damnation!

"whom Yahushua shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming"

"their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

"depart from me!!"

We need to be sure that we never enter that condition!

I don't want to be there, ever!!

2Thessalonians 2:10 - And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

"deceivableness of unrighteousness".. It is very deceptive, people believe it is okay to be unrighteous..and transgress the law

They think nothing will happen to them

But we are to "love the Truth"

that we might be saved

What did Yahshua say was truth?

John 17:16 - They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

John 17:17 - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Remember, when Yahshua spoke this..the "New Testament" didn't even exist! Yahweh's word, IS TRUTH!

His whole word is TRUTH, No matter what date it is written!

Yahushua is also the Word, thus He is the Truth

He kept the Word / Torah perfectly, without fault

We are told to walk as He walked

1John 2:4 - He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1John 2:5 - But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of YAHWEH is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.

1John 2:6 - He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

continuing in 2 Thessalonians

2Thessalonians 2:10 - And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Thessalonians 2:11 - And for this cause YAHWEH shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Thessalonians 2:12 - That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

unrighteousness is sin and sin is transgression of Yahweh's law

What a powerful condemnation to those who do not love the Word, the Truth, the Torah !

My brothers and sisters, could it be that these miracles we see today that christianity is claiming as evidence for their doctrines be a part of the "Strong Delusion" sent from Yahweh??

Did you know that in order for a catholic person to become a saint after their death..

there must be a proven miracle that took place when a person prayed to that dead saint?

Thus, miracles mean nothing.. they just might be the "strong delusion" FROM YAHWEH

If the delusion is from Yahweh Himself, SURELY they will be deceived.

Now I pray that we also are not deceived! O Father, give us the truth we pray!?!?

Will we walk worthy of our calling?

Will we receive this 'Strong Delusion'?

We first must be sure that we do not fall into the trap of thinking His law is "taken away" and that we need not walk in it today.

From that point we must be sure that we obey the truth and light given to us. For Yahweh will give His Spirit to those who obey the light given:

Acts 5:32 - And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom Elohim hath given to them that obey him.

Have we had not a new conviction in a while?

Have we put down our armor for a time?

Are we getting caught up in the ways of this world instead of the ways of Yahweh?

If so...then I believe this is a sure sign that we need to REPENT of something!

And we still have hope!

Titus 2:11 - For the Favour of YAHWEH that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Titus 2:12 - Teaching us that, denying wickedness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and reverently, in the present age;

Titus 2:13 - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great Elohim and our Saviour Yahushua ha Mashiach;

(for when He appears, He is looking for a pure bride! O Yahweh, let us not be destroyed when Yahshua comes!?!?!)

Titus 2:14 - Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

There is that word again!!

He has come to redeem us from all "INIQUITY", "Anomia" or "Illegality/violation of the law" as the Strong's lexicon has it.

But we are called to "repent" and we do not want to be found among those who thought they were in Yahushua..only to have Him say "Depart from me, ye that work "torahlessness/transgression of the law"!

Today, many are so concerned that we are "legalists"

Based on what we have read thus far, should we not be concerned more with being an "Illegalist" than a "Legalist"??

Legalism is not obedience to Yahweh's word. Legalism is the doctrine of "Adding to Yahweh's word" something that was never intended

This is what the Scribes/Pharisees had done, and indeed mainstream Christianity also with its Christmas, Easter, Sunday Sabbath, etc etc etc.!

This is all idolatry and there are so many things we have inherited that are filled with paganism and idolatrous worship :((

The roots of our faith need to be in the scriptures, not in idolatry.

I pray that we also are not among this lot, for we have inherited many lies from our fathers!

Just as in Jeremiah's day

Jeremiah 16:19 - O YAHWEH, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Jeremiah 16:20 - Shall a man make elohim unto himself, and they are no elohim?

Jeremiah 16:21 - Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is YAHWEH.

It's time to teach men to walk away from the lies of our Fathers

It's time for all to know that HIS Name is Yahweh!

Indeed when we learn the ways of Yahweh outlined in His word, His law..which is truth...

Then surely we know that His name is Yahweh and surely we know what His name is meant to represent...

Among other things, His truth and His love which is in His law..and the coming kingdom which will be ruled by it!

Among other things, His truth and His love which is in His law..and the coming kingdom which will be ruled by it!

How can we rule in the coming kingdom when we don't even know the rules??

It is high time that we all learn this way of righteousness which He has given..that we might be worthy to stand before the son of man who will not say to us "Depart from me, ye "illegalists/violators of the law"' but instead..

Matthew 25:23 - His master said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy master.

Therefore, let us keep the feast!

Let's rejoice!!

It is a day of gladness and hope

Yahweh has said, and His word endures forever..

Deuteronomy 30:19 - I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

HalleluYah! His words ring true today. I pray that we will inherit this joy of eternal life that awaits His servants! Forsaking the traditions and lies handed down to us and walking in the law of Yahweh

May Yahweh bless you all!

End


Jay_Emm - \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ HalleluYah !!! \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/
BrBob - ================ PRAISE YAHWEH!! ================
decrease - HalleluYah, Father YHWH and His Son who deliver us from grave and death.
Lydia_Jozef - ....................S T R O N G....... B U T ......... T R U E............ H A L L E L U Y A H................
WAYne - The Commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are The Way of life... prov 6:23
Br_jason - HalleluYah\o/
Miles_of_PA - Praise YHWH!!!
WAYne - \o/ let our LIGHT shine before men..mat 5:16...\0/...
WAYne - The Commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are The Way of life... prov 6:23
Mandy - HalleluYah
WAYne - Praise YHWH Through Yahshua The Messiah \o/\o/\o/
Flora - Praise YAHWEH, Give Thanks to Him!!!! Give Thanks for His WORD, His LAW, His TRUTH!!!!
channah - PRAISE YHWH
wrblest - Praise Yahweh!! \o/\o/
Oscar - Gracias Yahweh
Mandy - what is \0/\0/
claudia - Everyone...have a blessed Sabbath day and Feast of Weeks
decrease - +hebrew 4 12
lostONE1 - nice message
EliYah - \o/ <---- hands lifted up to Yahweh
lostONE1 - come on, u know
BrBob - says hello to everyone !
Mikaael - HalleluYah surerly his mercy endureth forever
WAYne - Shabbat Shalom BrBob :)
BrBob - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
BrBob - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
Lydia_Jozef - Shabbat Shalom Br.Bob
WAYne - Psalms 20:7 - Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of YHWH our Elohim.
BrBob - oops
Dorota - HalleluYAH!
Dorota - ================ PRAISE YAHWEH!! ================
EliYah - Are there any questions or added comments?
channah - lyla tov Sshalom YermeYah
Oscar - Is wrong Pentecost of 6th Sivan ?
Jay_Emm - EliYah, will there be services in this chatroom for the Feast of Firstfruits?
Lydia_Jozef - Question: in Isaiah 66:24 It is mentioned their worm shall not die? What is the meaning of worm?
EliYah - I am not sure that I will be available.. but perhaps everyone that is here who is able can get together here tomorrow night and have fellowship
decrease - +hosea 2 17
WAYne - eternal death ?
BrBob - Say hi to DelaYah, Berean, and all the family
WAYne - worms shall not die <<
EliYah - The worm is what causes decomposing
EliYah - is how I understand it
BrBob - Maggots
claudia - Lydia Jozef: I think there will be so many dead bodies...that the worms that eat the dead will lived until the fire comes
laqat - Eliyah there are 2 ditches-- all law and no law, I think you are still in one of the ditches! Just being honest!
BrBob - Let me be in the law ditch
EliYah - I prefer not to straddle the fence :)
Lydia_Jozef - Boy, there will be a lot of flies arround!
wrblest - are you saying we should not see miracles in Yahshuaha's name?
laqat - let us all be balanced!
WAYne - there fire itself will not be extinquished/ worm/ eternal death !
Jay_Emm - Here's a comment along the lines of tonight's sermon:
Jay_Emm - +Deut 13 1 3
Jay_Emm - +Deut 13 4 5
decrease - There will be second death after judgment day
WAYne - +isai 66 24
claudia - decrease:...that second death is not of flesh...but it is the eternal death
channah - when will the time come , it says we shal see miracles amd sons shall have vision many works of yhwh isnt thaty begun already?
claudia - decrease: I should say...not flesh as we know it
decrease - right, first death is physical
laqat - +Romans 7 4
EliYah - channah, I think it has begun but it will be even greater
BrBob - +1john 3 4
channah - before his return or during his return?
Dorota - Especially for DelaYah, his favorite song
laqat - we must be married to Yah
EliYah - I think before.
EliYah - And He is coming for a pure bride..without spot
claudia - virgins
laqat - true
Jay_Emm - +Rom 3 31
WAYne - +rev 7 14

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