Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 05/29/98


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DelaYah - Heavenly Father,.... we are thankful once again Father for another Sabbath day

DelaYah - to sing praises and give thanks to YOU and YOUR Kodesh (Holy) Name

DelaYah - We ask of YOU this day Father......

DelaYah - that YOU would lift up all those who be bowed down

DelaYah - and show them the TRUTH!?!?

DelaYah - and give to us this night Father the Spiritual gift of knowledge.... and wisdom

DelaYah - as we hear the words which YOUR messenger shall speak

DelaYah - We ask that YOU make these words to be known unto us

DelaYah - and allow them to remain in our heart Father

DelaYah - and let not the tempter come and snatch them away?!?!?

DelaYah - Help us O' Heavenly Father to use knowledge aright...

DelaYah - and to keep sound wisdom

DelaYah - We give thanks in the precious and saving name of Yahushua ha Mashiach

DelaYah - and thank YOU Father that YOU have called (invited) us to YOUR wedding supper

DelaYah - HalleluYAH!

EliYah - HalleluYah!

EliYah - Tonite I would like to talk about the dangers of philosophies and doctrines of men

EliYah - Let's start by examining a common philosophy that is stated in Christian books and sermons.

EliYah - here is a very common philosophy which states that we are sinners. What sin might be really is decided by what standard of righteousness the denomination you ascribe yourself to might have. This philosophy often states that we need to be saved from having to keep the law.

EliYah - Yes, that so called "bondage" which many suppose to curse those who follow it :(

EliYah - The philosophy held is that once a person accepts the Messiah, they don't have to obey Yahweh's law anymore because the Messiah died to 'set us free' from the law.

EliYah - Therefore anyone trying to observe the law is 'estranged from the Messiah' and 'under a curse' according to their philosophy.

EliYah - But this philosophy is a philosophy and tradition of men!

EliYah - Why would Yahweh create a standard of righteousness that He expects all mankind to follow, only to dismantle the standard at a later time?

EliYah - Is Yahweh a respector of persons? Why would Yahweh require a person in Yahshua to walk in a different standard than the unbelievers? Does Yahweh indeed have a 'double standard'?

EliYah - I think not. Yahshua came to this earth to save us from our sins, this is true and nearly all agree on that.

EliYah - But what is sin?

EliYah - 1John 3:4 - Whoever commits sin trangresses also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.

EliYah - Therefore, if one were to transgress Yahweh's law, they would be sinning!

EliYah - The philosophy of men says that is not so but the word of Yahweh is truth. If one denies this, they deny the word of Yahweh.

EliYah - So what is the true glad tidings?

EliYah - It begins with the fact that we are sinners. And that we need to be forgiven for our sins. ALL man has sinned. Not a single man has ever lived a life without sinning (transgressing Yahweh's law)

EliYah - 1John 1:10 - If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

EliYah - except ONE

EliYah - Hebrews 4:15 - For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

EliYah - That one is Yahshua the Messiah. Yahshua lived a perfect life and He came to this earth knowing what He would endure.

EliYah - Luke 9:22 - Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

EliYah - When He was on this earth as a man He said many astonishing things

EliYah - Luke 4:32 - And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.

EliYah - He is the only begotten Son of Yahweh

EliYah - John 1:18 - No man hath seen the Father at any time; the only begotten Son, which was in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

EliYah - The prophets in the Old Testament had foretold of this.. but the people of his day rejected him

EliYah - And most still do

EliYah - Isaiah 53:5 - But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

EliYah - Yahshua endured this willingly... Because He loves His Father so much and He loves us so much.

EliYah - He was willing to do whatever His Father asked of Him. But why was it necessary for Him to die?

EliYah - Did He die so that the law of Yahweh could be abolished, thereby making us free from disobedience??

BrBob - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/

EliYah - This is what the philosophy of men teaches!!

EliYah - Did Yahshua die to take away the law so we wouldn't have to keep it anymore?

EliYah - YAHWEH FORBID!!

EliYah - .Yahshua came and died because we broke that law in the first place!

EliYah - Now what will our response be? This is the test!

EliYah - When we REPENT and get baptized in the name of Yahshua the Messiah, we demonstrate our acceptance of Him and His love.

EliYah - Doesn't repentance alone indicate a change taking place?

EliYah - If Yahshua had to die so that we could be forgiven, do we now break His law regularly so that grace may abound?

EliYah - Romans 6:1 - What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that favor may abound?

EliYah - Romans 6:2 - By no means. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

EliYah - We are not to live in sin any longer!

EliYah - As a natural response to His love..do not want to go back to our old ways!

EliYah - 2Peter 2:22 - But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: "A dog returns to his own vomit," and, "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire."

EliYah - Oh let us flee from that wretched doctrine!!

EliYah - We want to show our love for Him by walking in obedience to His word.

EliYah - John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.

EliYah - John 14:16 - And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

EliYah - John 14:17 - Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

EliYah - His word shows us how to love Him and to love one another. We will naturally have a desire to do what pleases Him..

EliYah - Therefore, we are warned in scripture not to follow after these empty philosophies that tell us to stray from the law of Yahweh.

EliYah - What we have in this age is MUCH tradition that we have inherited from our fathers!

EliYah - We must question this tradition in light of scripture.

EliYah - Let's now examine a text often used to uphold their false tradition..

EliYah - Colossians 2:8 - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after the Messiah.

EliYah - This is what the remaining section of Colossians chapter 2 is all about.

EliYah - This theme remains constant throughout but men have tried to change it to Yahweh's commandments rather than the commandments and traditions of men.

EliYah - There are traditions that we have inherited such as the expectation that we observe Sunday worship, Christmas, Easter, Lent, etc as well as calling our Creator and the Messiah by false names. This is what we need to "BEWARE" of, not the law of Yahweh!!!

EliYah - We are suppose to live by "every word" that proceeds out of His mouth..not just "new testament" words!

EliYah - Matthew 4:4 - But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of YAHWEH.

EliYah - Colossians 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the might in bodily form.

EliYah - Colossians 2:10 - And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

EliYah - So we need none other doctrines because we are complete in Yahshua who is the head of all. We are complete in Him. We don't need anything that men might invent.

EliYah - Colossians 2:11 - In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of the Messiah:

EliYah - In Yahshua, we are circumcised in the heart by His blood covering our sins thereby seperating us from our sins.

EliYah - Colossians 2:12 - Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of YAHWEH, who hath raised him from the dead.

EliYah - We buried the old man and we are now a new creation so we shouldn't be going back to any old traditions and philosophies. This is primarily Paul speaking to the Colossians who were previously in pagan worship

EliYah - But were not many of us before we knew better?

EliYah - Colossians 2:13 - And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

EliYah - Colossians 2:14 - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

EliYah - When we are forgiven of our sins, those old traditions, doctrines and ordinances of men which are AGAINST us are taken out of the way. They have no power over us any longer if we are in Yahshua. Do these ordinances have power over men who are without Yahshua? Yes they do! They enslave men to sin!

EliYah - Romans 6:16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

EliYah - Romans 6:17 - But YAHWEH be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

EliYah - Romans 6:18 - Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

EliYah - Colossians 1:13 - Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

EliYah - Therefore, the power that these ordinances had over us was nailed to the tree along with our sins for when we are forgiven for our sins, we are also set free from their hold on us. Anyone who has repented and accepted Yahshua after a lifetime of sin can attest to this fact!!

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EliYah - But now the question is asked: "What ordinances of men is Paul specifically speaking of?" Paul will expand on this in verses 18 and 21 but for now....lets go to the next verse..

EliYah - Colossians 2:15 - And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

EliYah - He overcame and disarmed the spirits of darkness, the evil angels. He triumphed over Satan and all his powers.

EliYah - He Put them to an open shame by triumphing over them in his resurrection and ascension. Now if verse 14 was speaking of blotting out Yahweh's commandments then why in the next verse is it talking about disarming Satan?

EliYah - Yahweh is the author of the true commandments. Satan is the author of the Pagan doctrines that Paul is speaking of here.

EliYah - Colossians 2:16 - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

EliYah - Colossians 2:17 - Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body of the Messiah.

EliYah - Notice that these things ARE a shadow of things to come. Not WERE a shadow but ARE (present day) a shadow.

EliYah - We will be keeping these things in Yahweh's kingdom. (See Zech. 14, Isa 66)

EliYah - Lets examine this text in the King James Version

EliYah - 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Messiah

EliYah - This is because the translator did not understand or had a biased opinion about what the greek text meant!

EliYah - Remove the [is] from the text and you will get..

EliYah - Let no man therefore judge you in meat, drink, etc (which are a shadow of things to come) BUT THE BODY OF MESSIAH!

EliYah - Many modern translations choose not to translate this greek word as 'Body'

EliYah - Of all the modern translations, only a few such as the King James Version translate the word "Body" in verse 17 correctly. The NIV totally butchers this verse.

EliYah - The word "body" in verse 17 does mean "body". It is Strong's #4983. Look it up and see for yourself.

EliYah - now to furthur prove that He was talking about the body of believers..let us continue to the next verse where this SAME word is translated "body" once again..this time accurately in most translations

EliYah - Colossians 2:18 - Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

EliYah - Colossians 2:19 - And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of Elohim.

EliYah - So we should let only the body of the Messiah judge us! Can we as brethren in Messiah judge each other? Certainly!

EliYah - 1Corinthians 5:11 - But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

EliYah - 1Corinthians 5:12 - For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

EliYah - 1Corinthians 5:13 - But them that are without YAHWEH judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

EliYah - Does a man not have to pass some judgement on his brother when he sees his brother in sin? Of course! But when this is the case, we must restore this man in gentleness:

EliYah - Galatians 6:1 - Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted.

EliYah - So don't let these pagans judge us in keeping Yahweh's law! This indicates that the Gentiles in Colosse were keeping Yahweh's commandments as they should. Please consult any greek new testament to verify that what I am saying is true!

EliYah - "Body of Messiah" !

EliYah - Colossians 2:18 - Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

EliYah - Verse 18 is a mirror of verse 8. This scripture furthur proves that Paul is not talking about taking away Yahweh's

EliYah - commandments in verse 16 but rather the commandments of men such as worshipping of angels.

EliYah - And once again..I point out the the context is dealing with the body of Messiah keeping that commandments of Yahweh while living in a world where pagan commandments and philosphies are taught!

EliYah - Colossians 2:19 - And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of Elohim.

EliYah - We must hold to the Head of the Body..Yahshua!!

EliYah - He is our great example..He is the one who KEPT Yahweh's law!

EliYah - Therefore, these verses are good summary: Stand fast in Yahweh's commandments and shun the commandments and doctrines of men.

EliYah - Colossians 2:20 - Wherefore if ye be dead with the Messiah from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

EliYah - Remember back in verse 14 when we asked, "What ordinances of men?" These are among the 'ordinances' that were blotted out:

EliYah - Colossians 2:21 - (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

EliYah - Colossians 2:22 - Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

EliYah - commandments and doctrines of MEN

EliYah - Again, these are the ordinances of men that were blotted out. Taken out of the way..They are all commandments and doctrines of men. NOT Yahweh's commandments.

EliYah - To furthur prove this point, let us look at the greek words that are translated "ordinances" in this verse and in the earlier "Blotting out" verse

EliYah - In verse 14 the greek word that is translated "ordinances" is the greek word "Dogma" which means "ordinances"

EliYah - In verse 21 the greek word that is translated "be subject to ordinances" is "Dogmatizo" which means "be subject to ordinances"!

EliYah - The root word (Dogma, Ordinance) remains constant. The only difference is in the phrase.

EliYah - Colossians 3:23 - And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to YAHWEH, and not unto men;

EliYah - Colossians 3:24 - Knowing that of YAHWEH ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve Yahushua the Messiah.

EliYah - wrong chapter :)

EliYah - Colossians 2:23 - Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

EliYah - Colossians 2:24 -

EliYah - Colossians 3:1 - If ye then be risen with the Messiah, seek those things which are above, where the Messiah sitteth on the right hand of YAHWEH.

EliYah - Colossians 3:2 - Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

EliYah - Colossians 3:3 - For ye are dead, and your life is hid with the Messiah in YAHWEH.

EliYah - So in conclusion, Paul is saying that we should beware lest any man spoil us through these commandments, philosophies and doctrines of men. This must be a lesson for us today also!

EliYah - We should not let any man judge us for keeping His Holy days and Sabbaths!

EliYah - For the rewards from Yahweh are not in being disobedient..but OBEDIENT!

EliYah - So let's be wise therefore and not subject ourselves to the pagan philosophies

EliYah - and the pagan ordinances that the fathers have adopted and handed down

EliYah - But let us walk in the law of Yahweh.. and delight in His ways!

EliYah - Psalms 119:1 - Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of YAHWEH.

EliYah - And we will be blessed!!

EliYah - Psalms 119:2 - Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.

EliYah - Jeremiah 29:13 - And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

EliYah - Therefore..let us seek Yahweh.. and truly live by "Every word" .. not gauging ourselves by what others do..

EliYah - but examining our walk in light of His law..not forgetting what manner of men we are.. but being lovers of Yahweh..and doers of the WORD, HalleluYAh!

EliYah - And with that I will close.. may Yahweh bless you all!

DelaYah - So let it be! HalleluYAH!!! Praise YHWH!!! \O/\0/\o/

crash915 - Praise YHWH!!

bro_Russ - HalleluYAH!

YermeYah - Jeremiah 16:19 - O YHWH, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Ebed - HalleluYAH!

saly - HalleluYah! Amen!! \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/

TrustInYHWH - HalleluYah!! \o/ HalleluYahweh!!

bro_Russ - \O/ HalleluYAH!!! \O/

YermeYah - Jeremiah 16:20 - Shall a man make elohim unto himself, and they are no elohim?

YermeYah - Jeremiah 16:21 - Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is YHWH.

Paul - groovie man

DelaYah - Proverbs 10:8 - The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.

schmuel - Praise YAHWEH !!

Ezeki`El - welcome Paul :)

Paul - Zup?

BrBob - Praise Yahweh!

Ezeki`El - not a whole lot

DelaYah - Hello Paul :)

Ezeki`El - Hallelu Yah!

Paul - Wheres the Sabbath convo at?

TrustInYHWH - HalleluYah!! \o/ HalleluYahweh!!

Muzz - Thank you for your message EliYah...it was good food in due season!

DelaYah - \O/

Ebed - Praise YAHWEH!

EliYah - \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/

Ezeki`El - like my friend said 'that was a MEAT and POTATOES sermon

YermeYah - - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/- HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/

Ezeki`El - :)

Angel - I am a witness to Yahshua's head of the Body which we are. The head passed by and in the distance was a green body covered completely from head to toes with a green covering as is with a glove. The head came over near the body and the body bowed down to the head and the head kissed the body on the forehead!

BrBob - ¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸ Praise Yahweh! ¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸

schmuel - a tasty tofu and mixed veggies message

Paul - whoah man

Paul - :)

Muzz - Shabbat shalom everyone!

Ezeki`El - Shabbat shalom!

EliYah - Shabbat Shalom :)

Ezeki`El - full house tnoight

Ezeki`El - tonight

Ezeki`El - Praise YHWH

DelaYah - Shabbat Shalom :)

BrBob - Shabbat Shoam Muzz

Paul - nota fas scata y myla

YermeYah - Jeremiah 17:15 - Behold, they say unto me, Where is the word of YHWH? let it come now.

saly - Shabbat Shalom :o)

Ebed - Shabbat Shalom

EliYah - Psalms 119:126 - It is time for thee, YAHWEH, to work: for they have made void thy law.

Berean - Favor and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of YAHWEH and Yahshua our Master, saly

tladotse - Gotta go for now. Have enjoyed the service. Shabbat Shalom Kol Ehad.

Paul - Yo man this is like trippin

YermeYah - Shabbat Shalom tladotse

Ebed - Shalom tladotse

DelaYah - Shalom tladotse :)

BrBob - Baruch HaBa BaShem Yahweh! Blessed is the one coming in the Name of Yahweh!

Berean - \o/

schmuel - shabbot shalom tladotse

BrBob - Yahweh bless you, and keep you. Yahweh make his face shine upon you, and be gracious unto you. Yahweh lift up his countenance upon you, and give you (HIS) peace...... tladotse

tladotse - Amen.

EliYah - Yahweh bless you bro :)

Paul - pretty colors

Paul - Im so talkative tonight eheheheh

EliYah - Are there any questions/comments concerning the message?

Ezeki`El - haa

crash915 - i am still kicking

Paul - grin

Ezeki`El - EliYah: very annointed sermon

Br_Thomas - EliYah Did you get my email?

TeMujiN - gin

TeMujiN - Groovie man

Berean - +psa 100 1 3

bro_Russ - \O/ HalleluYAH!!! \O/

Ebed - +psal 103:1

Berean - +psa 100 2

EliYah - Yes, I need to consult my list Thomas :)

Berean - +psa 100 3

TeMujiN - grin

Br_Thomas - tanks

TemujiyEsugE - grin

Br_Thomas - thank you

TemujiyEsugE - bless you my son

EliYah - Are there any questions/comments concerning the message?

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Ezeki`El - heheeh

EliYah - Any prayer requests tonight?

TemujiyEsugE - thats some funny shat im tellin this guy aint it reo?

Muzz - Thank you for the excellent message EliYah... good food in due season...with Pentecost feast of firstfruits almost here.

Ezeki`El - Muzz: when does it start?

EliYah - Psalms 115:1 - Not unto us, O YAHWEH, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy mercy, and for thy truth's sake.

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