05/10/2002 Sabbath Meeting Transcript


"A Time for Restoration"


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Jozef_Lydia - for it is commonly used as good luck, but that is not totally correct
WAYne_Julie - HalleluYAH!! Almighty Father YHWH, blessed be Thy Name O Father
WAYne_Julie - Father we come before you in prayer through Your Son Yahushua Ha Mashiach
WAYne_Julie - Father, Thank You for this day of rest, and allowing us the blessing of being here today for praise - learning - fellowship and edification, HalleluYAH!
WAYne_Julie - Father Thank You for our daily food both the physicle and Spiritual
WAYne_Julie - ABBA, Father, Thank You for all that we have that sustains us and for giving us strength, You are our strength, HalleluYAH!
WAYne_Julie - Father help us please to be in shalom with oneanother, and halp us to be a light so as to give You Glory
WAYne_Julie - Abba, Father Please give the speaker here tonight your words and edification and instruction of Your Will, and help us to study these issues and allow us understanding as to Your Will
WAYne_Julie - Father, we thank, give praise, and ask these things in Yahushua`s Name!
WAYne_Julie - May Thy loving merciful will be done Abba!
WAYne_Julie - HalleluYAH!!

EliYah's message:

HalleluYah!

In the Torah it is written:

Exodus 17:9 - And Moses said unto Joshua, Choose us out men, and go out, fight with Amalek: to morrow I will stand on the top of the hill with the rod of Elohim in mine hand.

Exodus 17:10 - So Joshua did as Moses had said to him, and fought with Amalek: and Moses, Aaron, and Hur went up to the top of the hill.

Exodus 17:11 - And it came to pass, when Moses held up his hand, that Israel prevailed: and when he let down his hand, Amalek prevailed.

Exodus 17:12 - But Moses' hands were heavy; and they took a stone, and put it under him, and he sat thereon; and Aaron and Hur stayed up his hands, the one on the one side, and the other on the other side; and his hands were steady until the going down of the sun.

Exodus 17:13 - And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people with the edge of the sword.

Exodus 17:14 - And YAHWEH said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.

So Yahweh declared this prophecy to obliterate Amalek..

Over 400 years later, Yahweh chose a certain man to perform it, namely Saul

1Samuel 15:1 - Samuel also said unto Saul, YAHWEH sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of YAHWEH.

1Samuel 15:2 - Thus saith YAHWEH of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

1Samuel 15:3 - Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

1Samuel 15:4 - And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

1Samuel 15:5 - And Saul came to a city of Amalek, and laid wait in the valley.

1Samuel 15:6 - And Saul said unto the Kenites, Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye shewed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites.

1Samuel 15:7 - And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah until thou comest to Shur, that is over against Egypt.

1Samuel 15:8 - And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.

1Samuel 15:9 - But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them: but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly.

1Samuel 15:10 - Then came the word of YAHWEH unto Samuel, saying,

1Samuel 15:11 - It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto YAHWEH all night.

1Samuel 15:12 - And when Samuel rose early to meet Saul in the morning, it was told Samuel, saying, Saul came to Carmel, and, behold, he set him up a place, and is gone about, and passed on, and gone down to Gilgal.

1Samuel 15:13 - And Samuel came to Saul: and Saul said unto him, Blessed be thou of YAHWEH: I have performed the commandment of YAHWEH.

In Saul's words we find an error that exists to this day

People say they obey Yahweh..

yet they do not :(

And people labor for the glory of men for what they do, rather than giving the glory to Yahweh

We also need to beware of this trap

So Samuel responded to Saul's statement:

1Samuel 15:14 - And Samuel said, What meaneth then this bleating of the sheep in mine ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear?

1Samuel 15:15 - And Saul said, They have brought them from the Amalekites: for the people spared the best of the sheep and of the oxen, to sacrifice unto YAHWEH thy Elohim; and the rest we have utterly destroyed.

Apparently Saul knew that he had not done right.

He blamed the people by saying "THEY brought them" and "the PEOPLE" spared the best of the sheep

But when he spoke of the part He did fulfill..he says "WE" have utterly destroyed

This is not unlike Adam trying to blame Eve, or Aaron blaming the people

The people saw that the spoil from the Amalekites was good.

Not only did Saul try to take the credit for destroying the Amalekites, but when the people desired something different than Yahweh's commandments, Saul compromised obedience.

Saul was trying to justify his disobedience by setting forth his own standard of righteousness, rather than one commanded or given by Yahweh

Brethren, this is a grave error

1Samuel 15:16 - Then Samuel said unto Saul, Stay, and I will tell thee what YAHWEH hath said to me this night. And he said unto him, Say on.

1Samuel 15:17 - And Samuel said, When thou wast little in thine own sight, wast thou not made the head of the tribes of Israel, and YAHWEH anointed thee king over Israel?

1Samuel 15:18 - And YAHWEH sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalekites, and fight against them until they be consumed.

1Samuel 15:19 - Wherefore then didst thou not obey the voice of YAHWEH, but didst fly upon the spoil, and didst evil in the sight of YAHWEH?

1Samuel 15:20 - And Saul said unto Samuel, Yea, I have obeyed the voice of YAHWEH, and have gone the way which YAHWEH sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.

Perhaps Saul is pretending here to try and make a case....but it isn't working

1Samuel 15:21 - But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the chief of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice unto YAHWEH thy Elohim in Gilgal.

Ahh.. but the "people"!

So here he is giving the same excuse that Aaron gave with the golden calf...casting off the disobedience upon others....

But Yahweh set up Saul to lead the people

And to Saul the commandment was given

In this example we know that Saul did not utterly destroy them as Yahweh had told him... but he spared the king and their spoil which Yahweh told him to destroy.

1Samuel 15:3 - Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Perhaps it seemed right to Saul to let the people keep the spoil....but partial obedience is disobedience in the eyes of Yahweh!

Proverbs 14:12 - There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Saul had to have known of the prophecy...Yahweh even reminded him about what Amalek did against Israel.

but.. blaming the people..

1Samuel 15:21 - But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the chief of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice unto YAHWEH thy Elohim in Gilgal.

1Samuel 15:22 - And Samuel said, Hath YAHWEH as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of YAHWEH? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Will this be the excuse of merchant preachers on judgement day who peddle the word of Yahweh while teaching the people need not obey fully? "The people did it"

In the modern houses of worship, there are many sacrifices of praise

But to obey is better than to sacrifice.

One can sacrifice all day long, but Yahweh cannot endure it if disobedience is taught

This is something that David understood when he sinned with Bathsheba and Uriah

In David's psalm of repentance, he wrote:

Psalms 51:16 - For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.

Psalms 51:17 - The sacrifices of Elohim are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O Elohim, thou wilt not despise.

Even then, works did not make up for sin. A man had his only hope in the mercy of Yahweh

1Samuel 15:22 - And Samuel said, Hath YAHWEH as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of YAHWEH? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

1Samuel 15:23 - For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of YAHWEH, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

This is an incredible statement by Samuel!

Not only did he classify Saul's actions as Rebellion, but he made Saul's Rebellion equal with witchcraft and his stubbornness as idolatry!!

And according to Yahweh, Saul's actions were rebellious and Saul was stubborn. His stubborness made him choose his own way that 'seemed right' rather than giving Yahweh the honor and obeying His voice

1Samuel 15:24 - And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of YAHWEH, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.

He "feared the people" because he loved himself and the praise of men more than the praise of Yahweh. This is made very clear later on in this chapter

This was also a characteristic of the scribes and pharisees:

John 12:42 - Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

John 12:43 - For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of YAHWEH.

This is a VERY common thing that prevents someone from believing and accepting new light given to them

For instance, those in mainstream leadership...even if they know the truth are too afraid to teach it because they 'fear the people'

For many, they would end up preaching themselves right out of a job!

Therefore they 'obey their voice(the people') rather than the voice of Yahweh, perhaps (like Saul) thinking that the people are responsible.

Woe to all who walk in this way, for their witchcraft and idolatry lead Yahweh's people astray just as the false prophets led Israel and Judah astray

And what did Yahushua say?

Matthew 7:15 - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Just as it is today, Saul allowed the people to do a different way of worship than Yahweh commanded.

Because he loved the praise of men more than the praise of Yahweh

Some time ago, someone had copies of my Sabbath study sent out to 300 people, most of whom were preachers

Some of the responses that were received were quite amazing

One of them was incredulous at the idea of teaching their congregation to keep the Sabbath because he said that he knew he would lose 1/7th of his income.. plus the loss in tithes when people leave to go to another church

Like Saul, they thought they could sacrifice (worship) by doing it the opposite way Yahweh told them to.

For today many have chosen their own way of worship such as 1st day Sabbaths rather than the true 7th day Sabbaths, Pagan holi-days in favor of Yahweh's Holy days, Counterfeit names rather than the true names, etc etc

I say these things because it needs to be said, not because I believe I'm better than anyone else for having come into the knowledge of these truths!

It is by the grace of Yahweh that we all know the things we do know, and I believe there is much more for us to know and live and walk in!

We must learn from these examples and beware of the snares

Now we will learn the heart of Saul. His pride prevented him from obeying the voice of Yahweh and so finally he repents..or does he?

1Samuel 15:25 - Now therefore, I pray thee, pardon my sin, and turn again with me, that I may worship YAHWEH.

1Samuel 15:26 - And Samuel said unto Saul, I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word of YAHWEH, and YAHWEH hath rejected thee from being king over Israel.

1Samuel 15:27 - And as Samuel turned about to go away, he laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle, and it rent.

1Samuel 15:28 - And Samuel said unto him, YAHWEH hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day, and hath given it to a neighbour of thine, that is better than thou.

1Samuel 15:29 - And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

1Samuel 15:30 - Then he said, I have sinned: yet honour me now, I pray thee, before the elders of my people, and before Israel, and turn again with me, that I may worship YAHWEH thy Elohim.

Now again we see the heart of Saul. He says "honour me now, I pray thee, before the elders of my people."

It certainly doesn't look like true repentance from the heart. Rather, it is once again the desire for to be accepted by the people.

This is a lesson given for our learning:

1Corinthians 10:7 - Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

1Corinthians 10:8 - Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

1Corinthians 10:9 - Neither let us tempt the Messiah, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

1Corinthians 10:10 - Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

1Corinthians 10:11 - Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

1Corinthians 10:12 - Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

In sharing those words I share them in fear knowing the trap that is there

We need to beware also of the fear of man. It should not even be a consideration when seeking the truth in Yahweh's word.

We should not ever attempt (like Saul did) to conceal selfishness and self love under the cloak of religious zeal and gratitude!

This was the mistake of so many, and the mistake of this age also.

In sadness, I see that the system of churchianity breeds complacency and confidence in man.

Every week, people go to their church "services" where false shepherds are trusted to read and interpret the scriptures for them

But they have been led astray and because of this, they lead others astray with them. As Yahushua said:

Luke 6:39 - And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?

Therefore, the ones of this age must be warned!

Indeed brethren, we must go and warn the people of this serious mistake, It has caused lawlessness/Torahlessness to abound!

But with what attitude do we admonish and share any wisdom that Yahweh has granted?

In reference to the Thessolonians, Paul said:

1Thessalonians 2:5 - For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloke of covetousness; YAHWEH is witness:

1Thessalonians 2:6 - Nor of men sought we glory, neither of you, nor yet of others, when we might have been burdensome, as the apostles of the Messiah.

1Thessalonians 2:7 - But we were gentle among you, even as a nurse cherisheth her children:

Gentleness and selflessness, even though the people of Thessolonica had no reputation for being lovers of His word

For in Acts it is written of Berea:

Acts 17:10 - And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

Acts 17:11 - These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Yahushua was meek and lowly also, though He taught others to repent:

Matthew 11:28 - Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Matthew 11:29 - Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Matthew 11:30 - For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Let's learn from His meekness and lowliness when we share the word with others.

Yet also remember his boldness to the false teachers of his day. We need to speak the truth about them, just as He did

It may fall on deaf ears, as did the messages of Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel and even Yahushua the Messiah, but we are commanded to deliver those who are drawn toward the way of death:

Proverbs 24:11 - If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death, and those that are ready to be slain;

Proverbs 24:12 - If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?

Now anyone can threaten, anyone can intimidate. Anyone can boast and anyone can condemn

Anyone can judge and anyone can discourage. But I ask, who will deliver them who are walking in the way of destruction?

Who will reach out and be Yahweh's hand extended...to hold someone's hand in love and gently, (1Thes 2:7 and 1Tim 3:3, 2Tim 2:24) patiently (1Thes 5:14, 2Thes 3:5) guide them into the way of life?

Who will gently, meekly share the words of wisdom (James 3:17) so that they will hear and recognize the Shepherd's voice of meekness and lowliness in them?

Theatening, intimidating, boasting, condemning, judging and discouraging are the lazy and impatient way of witnessing.

We are told to preach the word with longsuffering:

2Timothy 4:2 - Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

This takes laboring and patience and praying and weeping and hoping and knowing and seeking diligently the mind of Yahweh through it all.

Yes, we must labor

Lest we be found the wicked and lazy servant:

Matthew 25:25 - And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

Do not be afraid of man!

Matthew 25:26 - His master answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

Matthew 25:27 - Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

If you have been given the talent of gold, His truth...hide it not!!!

Either make use of it or give it to someone who will!

Matthew 25:28 - Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

Matthew 25:29 - For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

Matthew 25:30 - And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

It is time brethren, for time is short. It is time to RESTORE

For Yahushua didn't come to take away the torah, He came to magnify it!

Isaiah 42:21 - YAHWEH is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Isaiah 42:22 - But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.

It is time to deliver those drawn toward the ways of death, who are hidden in the prison houses (churches, houses and synagogues) that are plundered by the shepherds who feed themselves!

Ezekiel 34:2 - Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Master YAHWEH unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?

Yes, some things never change...Yes, the shepherds SHOULD feed the flocks:

Matthew 24:45 - Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

Matthew 24:46 - Blessed is that servant, whom his master when he cometh shall find so doing.

Matthew 24:47 - Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

To those with families, you have a great work to do in your children

To mothers who may think you have no work of Yahweh.. look to the children you have borne and know that you have a work ahead of you!

Guide those children in the ways of righteousness and you have a blessing that can reach unto generation after generation!

Brethren, it is time to do the work of Yahweh.

Psalms 119:126 - It is time for thee, YAHWEH, to work: for they have made void thy law.

It is time to find and walk in the way of truth.

It is time to Restore.

It is time..for the time is near, even at the doors.

May Yahweh bless you and may He have mercy on us all!

End


WAYne_Julie - HalleluYah!!
Thor - praise Yahweh!!
Yakeer - \o/ \o/ \o/ Praise Yahweh Almighty... \o/ \o/ \o/ ...Todah Rabah Abba Yahweh!
bpenwell - Praise Yahweh
Jozef_Lydia - Thank you Yahweh for your servant and words of encourangement, HalleluYah
Jamie - HalleluYah \o/
vgmc - dittos
Yahanan - :) praise Yahweh
downlo - HalleluYAH!!
cindy_liz - Praise YHWH!!
kefa - HalleluYah!!!!!!!!!
nobie1 - Amen.
connie - ty EliYah may Yah bless you and yours
BrBill_Angel - HalleluYAH!
connie - HalleluYah
bpenwell - HalleluYAH
NoRapture - HalleluYah!!! HalleluYAH!!!HalleluYAH!
rockywhy - HalleluYahweh
EliYah - Thanks and praises to Yahweh. Yahweh's blessings to you also connie
Meir - yes, thank you
BrBob - says hello to everyone !
cindy_liz - Shalom VictoryYAH
saved1 - Hallelujah, wonderful message, thank you! Good night!
Jamie - Shabbat Shalom, Br. Bob
NoRapture - Shalom, BroBob
VictoryYAH - Shabbat Shalom Yahweh's Family :-)
EliYah - Shabbat Shalom BrBob :)
downlo - Shabbat shalom (((((((((((((BrBob))))))))))))))
kefa - shabbat shalom BrBob
BrBill_Angel - Shalom BrBob!
Jamie - Shabbat Shalom, VictoryYah
BrBob - Wow!
WAYne_Julie - Shabbat shalom BrBob :)
cindy_liz - Shabbat Shalom BrBob :)
connie - tyvm need it every hour and every moment
EliYah - Shabbat Shalom VictoryYAH :)
WAYne_Julie - Shabbat shalom VictoryYAH :)
bpenwell - Do you think there will every be a day when the Preachers teach the truth?
BrBob - Shabbat Shalom to all of you brothers and sisters
kefa - shabbat shalom VictoryYAH
VictoryYAH - :-)
EliYah - When Messiah returns, the full truth will be taught
Jamie - seems like there won't be for now, Bpen
Meir - Shabbat shalom
Yahanan - EliYah do you think there could be major revival in America
connie - for to Him belongs all the glory and honor and praise now and forever more
cindy_liz - {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{BrBob}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
BrBob - No bpenwell, religion won't work.....
bpenwell - Halleluyah
nobie1 - <-----looking forward to it...
BrBob - Shalom cindy_liz !
Jamie - doesn't mean we shouldn't bother sharing though
vgmc - forward and upward
Rosalinda - HalleluYah
nobie1 - <
EliYah - Yahanan: That remains to be seen, it does seem that Yahweh is calling out a torah observant people for His name. But I think the number will remain a remnant
BrBill_Angel - when the Kingdom is here the truth will cover the earth as the waters that cover the sea, HalleluYah!
nobie1 - Narrow and few..
vgmc - Where is BrTom?
Yahanan - a remnant
Rosalinda - shalom everybody
EliYah - Not sure, in Chicago maybe
Jamie - Shalom, Rosalinda
BrBill_Angel - Shalom Rosalinda
cindy_liz - shalom rosalinda
Yahanan - do yuo think Yahweh would spare this land for the believers in it like in the story of sodom and gommorah
vgmc - I thought that was next week
Andrea - it seems like all religions are boastful and judgemental in a way because everyone thinks that if you don't believe like they do, then you don't have the truth
Jozef_Lydia - I am glad to hear that BrBill and Angel, we were already getting worried we here in Australia would miss out :)
EliYah - Yahanan: I don't know of any examples in scripture where the righteous and the wicked were judged together
Jamie - not believe as I do, but believe what the WORD says
nobie1 - Not having truth...hmmmm
Yahanan - well i was wondering about the come out of her verses EliYah
BrBill_Angel - :)!!!
Andrea - but everyone thinks that their interpretation is the right one, and if you disagree than the spirit is not leading you
EliYah - Yes, we surely must
nobie1 - ~TRIES to cut and paste Matthew 7.21-24
Meir - Master teach me your ways
EliYah - Andrea: Yahweh is the final judge
Yahanan - is that in the spiritual realm physical realm or both?
EliYah - What others say won't matter unless they are speaking Yahweh's words
nobie1 - 1 John 2.4-6
vgmc - You missed the sin of women leading congregations (Joyce Meyer, et al)
nobie1 - Therefore we ought walk as He walked..
cindy_liz - + 1john 2 4 6
nobie1 - How did He walk? He kept the commandments, HIS commandments
rockywhy - EliYah do you think the Father is coming before the Son to make his enemies a footstool
nobie1 - What are His commandments?
Thor - +1joh 3:23
BrBill_Angel - vgmc, just click the tv button to off.
Yahanan - EliYah?
nobie1 - Turn to Matthew 5.17-19
Yahanan - I have a question for you
EliYah - Yahweh workis through the Son to make His enemies His footstool
Jozef_Lydia - A teacher has greater responcibility, and will be judged more harshly?
vgmc - Not while I'm reading my email
cindy_liz - + matt 5 17 19
EliYah - Yes, Yahanan?:
vgmc - I don't have a full computer like you middle-classers
Jozef_Lydia - some of what these people preach can still help some to find the right path, can't it?
Yahanan - have you ever heard of protection by the shekinah glory during tribulation time?
nobie1 - Speaking of the law and prophets, in verse 19 He says whoever BREAKS them and teaches others the same...shall be called least..
BrBill_Angel - lol
nobie1 - And those who DO them, and teach likewise, greatest
EliYah - Through Shekinah glory, no
Yahanan - o.k a messianic said something to that effect
nobie1 - So we can tell His commandments ARE those in the law, not some new new-testament "laws"
nobie1 - For the law is a picture of a perfect man...Him
NoRapture - What is the Shekinah?
BrBill_Angel - we must include the NT laws too!
nobie1 - People always ask WWJD? Then you tell them He'd keep the law, observe the Sabbath
Yahanan - do you believe in protection for the believers right here on earth
EliYah - Yes
nobie1 - Yes, BrBill, but all they are is a broad summary of the 10, which are a summary of the whole law and prophets
NoRapture - Me too...:)
Yahanan - i think the shekinah glory is the glory of Yahweh

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