Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 05/07/99


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BrTom - Almighty Father in Heaven, we praise and honor your great name. We thank you for all the blessings you provide...
BrTom - Blessings of our homes, our families...
BrTom - blessings of jobs to do, the great blessing of your writen word...
BrTom - the blessing of brethren with whom we may fellowship and worship,
BrTom - and the great blessing of our savior and example, Yahshua your son.
BrTom - We ask your presence with us tonight to guide and support the teaching.
BrTom - We wish you good Sabbath, Abba father.
BrTom - Please send your spirit to be with us and to teach us your ways.
BrTom - We ask these things and praise you in Yahshua's name.
BrTom - HalleluYAH!!!

EliYah's message:

HalleluYah!

Tonite I would like to talk about what the scriptures say concerning 'iniquity' and 'lawlessness'

Let's examine something that Yahshua predicted would come:

Matthew 24:11 - And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:12 - And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Yahshua is speaking here that during the latter days false prophets will arise...

And apparently this will cause 'iniquity' to abound.

It is interesting to do a word study on this word 'iniquity' that is translated from the greek language into our own.

It comes from the greek word "anomia".

We will find in the Thayer's greek lexicon a proper definition for this word:

BDB/Thayers # 458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from 459; TDNT - 4:1085,646; n f AV - iniquity 12, unrighteousness 1, transgress the law + 4060 1, transgression of the law 1; 15 1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it 1b) because of violating it 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Please remember that this is the greek word "Anomia". The first definition is the literal one. It means "the condition of without law".

The Strong's Lexicon defines this word with "illegality (i.e. violation of the law)"

So we can see that as a result of the False Prophets, a 'condition of without law' and 'illegality/violation of the law' will abound...

And because of this, the love of many shall wax/grow cold!

This is because Yahweh's law teaches us how to love Yahweh and how to love one another .

Now this is furthur proven in an earlier teaching that Yahshua shared:

Matthew 7:13 - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Matthew 7:14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Yahshua is informing us that the way to life is not a popular way.

It is not a road often travelled on.

In fact, He said that it is a 'narrow' way and FEW there be that find it!

Therefore today I call on all mankind, 33% of which profess to be christians..to TAKE HEED!

If we are on a path that MANY others are on, we surely cannot be on a path that few find!

continuing..

Matthew 7:15 - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Because of the wolves, we must remember that the narrow path calls for discernment!

Matthew 7:16 - Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Matthew 7:17 - Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Note that both bring forth fruit

But one is evil, the other good

Matthew 7:18 - A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Matthew 7:19 - Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Matthew 7:20 - Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

So we will know them by their fruits!

Now Yahshua I believe is expounding on this. What is meant by good fruit?

Will they have many miracles and signs and wonders to prove that what they are teaching is true?

And to prove that their fruit is indeed good, and not evil?

Matthew 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Rabbi, Rabbi, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day, Rabbi, Rabbi, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Some in sheeps clothing must be calling Him Rabbi, Rabbi (Master, Master)

Matthew 7:23 - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Hmm..there is that word again..

"iniquity"

So here we have a group of people who profess to preach Yahshua

They even thought that they cast out demons, healed, prophesied and done many other wonderful works.

Sadly, they were apparently false teachers and deceived by the 'strong delusion'! What was Yahshua saying about them?

"Depart from me, ye that work iniquity!"

What was their TRUE work?

In the greek it is that word again, 'Anomia' which is 'illegality/violation of the law' or without law! (But translated 'iniquity')

Look it up, you will see. We can know them by their fruits!

Today and in generations past we have been taught that we are 'under grace' and need not keep that ol' law anymore.

But Yahshua says otherwise...He says that those who are without the law have no salvation

Now let's look at more instances of this word "Anomia" but first, let's examine the first part of its definition once more:

For this will furthur prove what I am saying

"BDB/Thayers # 458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from 459..."

Notice that this "Anomia" (#458) is derived from another word. It is word number 459.

What is its definition?

BDB/Thayers # 459 anomos {an'-om-os} from 1 (as a negative particle) and 3551; TDNT - 4:1086,646; adj AV - without law 4, transgressor 2, wicked 2, lawless 1, unlawful 1; 10 1) destitute of (the Mosaic) law 1a) of the Gentiles 2) departing from the law, a violator of the law, lawless, wicked

Now here we are given a more thorough definition. It's meaning is to be 'destitute of (the Mosaic) law'.

So for those who might say we have a 'new law now'..and this is speaking of a new testament law, not the old (Mosaic) law' it becomes obvious that this statement has nothing to stand on.

In fact

You may notice that THIS word "Anomos" comes from the greek word "Nomos (3551)" which is translated "Law" nearly 200 times in the New Testament, almost without exception speaking of Yahweh's law in the "old testament"!

So could we not surmise from these definitions what even the King James translators used in the following verse when coming across the word "Anomia"?...

1John 3:4 - Whoever commits sin trangresses also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.

The phrase "transgression of the law" is from "Anomia"!

Again, this verse deals with 'Who Yahweh's people truly are' just as Yahshua had revealed:

1John 3:5 - And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin.

1John 3:6 - Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

Yahshua came to take away our sins, not the entire law!

So whoever abides in Yahshua will not sin. Therefore they will not 'transgress the law' for sin is transgression of the (mosaic) law.

So indeed Yahshua spoke the truth when He said that 'transgression of the law' or "Anomia" would abound in the last days.

Now lets examine more scriptures. But this time we will look at the word "Anomos" which literally means "destitute of (the Mosaic) law"

Mark 15:27 - And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.

Mark 15:28 - And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

This word "Transgressors" is indeed "anomos" which means those who are "destitute of (the Mosaic) law".

Interestingly, it is quoting an verse in the book of the prophet Isaiah.

Isaiah 53:12 - Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

The Hebrew word "pasha" used in this verse...

is translated "transgressors"

This is the same Hebrew word translated "Transgressors" here in the following verse:

Psalms 37:38 - But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.

And "Transgressed" here:

Isaiah 66:22 - For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith YAHWEH, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Isaiah 66:23 - And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith YAHWEH.

Isaiah 66:24 - And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. .

"the men that have {transgressed} against me"

So, again we see that those who violate the law of Yahweh will be destroyed just as Yahshua predicted and "their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

This is purely consistent with Yahshua's teaching that He will reject them on the final day

This is a serious thing to ponder my dear brothers!!!

We surely do not want to be in that group of people!!

Yet, who will hear this message?

Who has ears to hear?

As we will see, it is certainly not those who do not love the truth!

This is all part of satan's plan..to deceive men by the 'false prophets' into thinking we are have no need of His Torah/law today!

Let's examine a new testament passage

2Thessalonians 2:1 - Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Master Yahushua the Messiah, and by our gathering together unto him,

2Thessalonians 2:2 - That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of the Messiah is at hand.

2Thessalonians 2:3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2Thessalonians 2:4 - Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called elohim, or that is worshipped; so that he as elohim sitteth in the temple of elohim, shewing himself that he is elohim.

2Thessalonians 2:5 - Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

Here is the prediction of a falling away..

but falling away from what?

2Thessalonians 2:6 - And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

2Thessalonians 2:7 - For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

It is a 'mystery', is it not?

And it was already at work

What greek word is used here that is translated "iniquity" in the phrase "Mystery of iniquity"?

You guessed it, "Anomia" or "Illegality/violation of the law"!

And what will happen with these people?

2Thessalonians 2:8 - And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom Yahushua shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

The 'Wicked' will be revealed. But Now it is revealed to you that the translators hide this word "Anomia" behind many others...

The word translated "Wicked" in the following verse is "anomos" meaning one who is "destitute of (the Mosaic) law"

Acts 2:23 - Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of YAHWEH, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

And it is translated "Wicked" in the previous verse..

2Thessalonians 2:8 - And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom Yahushua shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Let's continue in 2thess

2Thessalonians 2:9 - Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

He will deceive others through his servants, the false prophets who claim the MIRACLES as evidence of their teaching being the truth but teach others that there is NO LAW!

2Thessalonians 2:10 - And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

They did not recieve a love of the truth. What a sad, sorry condition :((( How important is it to love the truth?? Read that verse!!

You must love the truth to be saved, for it obviously leads to eternal damnation!

"whom Yahushua shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming"

"their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

"depart from me!!"

We need to be sure that we never enter that condition!

I don't want to be there, ever!!

They did not receive a love for the truth, what did Yahshua say was truth?

John 17:16 - They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

John 17:17 - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Remember, when Yahshua spoke this..the "New Testament" didn't even exist! Yahweh's word, IS TRUTH!

No matter what date it is written!

continuing in 2 Thessalonians

2Thessalonians 2:11 - And for this cause YAHWEH shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Thessalonians 2:12 - That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

unrighteousness is sin and sin is transgression of Yahweh's law

My brothers and sisters, could it be that these miracles we see today that christianity is claiming as evidence for their doctrines be a part of the "Strong Delusion" sent from Yahweh??

If the delusion is from Yahweh Himself, SURELY they will be deceived.

Now I pray that we also are not deceived! O Father, give us the truth we pray!?!?

Will we walk worthy of our calling?

Will we receive this 'Strong Delusion'?

We first must be sure that we do not fall into the trap of thinking His law is "taken away" and that we need not walk in it today.

From that point we must be sure that we obey the truth and light given to us. For Yahweh will give His Spirit to those who obey the light given:

Acts 5:32 - And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom Elohim hath given to them that obey him.

Have we had not a new conviction in a while?

Have we put down our armor for a time?

Are we getting caught up in the ways of this world instead of the ways of Yahweh?

If so...then I believe this is a sure sign that we need to REPENT of something!

And we still have hope!

Titus 2:11 - For the Favour of YAHWEH that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Titus 2:12 - Teaching us that, denying wickedness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and reverently, in the present age;

Titus 2:13 - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great Elohim and our Saviour Yahushua ha Mashiach;

(for when He appears, He is looking for a pure bride! O Yahweh, let us not be destroyed when Yahshua comes!?!?!)

Titus 2:14 - Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

There is that word again!!

He has come to redeem us from all "INIQUITY", "Anomia" or "Illegality/violation of the law" as the Strong's lexicon has it.

Today, many are so concerned that we are "legalists"

Based on what we have read thus far, should we not be concerned more with being an "Illegalist" than a "Legalist"??

Legalism is not obedience to Yahweh's word. Legalism is the doctrine of "Adding to Yahweh's word"something that was never intended!

This is what the Scribes/Pharisees had done, and indeed mainstream Christianity also with its Christmas, Easter, Sunday Sabbath, etc etc etc.!

This is all idolatry and there are so many things we have inherited that are filled with paganism and idolatrous worship :(( The roots of our faith need to be in the scriptures, not in idolatry!!

I pray that we also are not among this lot, for we have inherited many lies from our fathers!

Just as in Jeremiah's day

Jeremiah 16:19 - O YAHWEH, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Jeremiah 16:20 - Shall a man make elohim unto himself, and they are no elohim?

Jeremiah 16:21 - Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is YAHWEH.

Indeed when we learn the ways of Yahweh outlined in His word, His law..which is truth...

Then surely we know that His name is Yahweh and surely we know what His name is meant to represent...

Among other things, His truth and His love which is in His law..and the coming kingdom which will be ruled by it!

May we all learn this way of righteousness which He has given..that we might be worthy to stand before the son of man who will not say to us "Depart from me, ye "illegalists/violators of the law"' but instead..

Matthew 25:23 - His master said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy master.

Yahweh has said, and His word endures forever..

Deuteronomy 30:19 - I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

HalleluYah, I pray that we will inherit this joy of eternal life that awaits His servants! Forsaking the traditions and lies handed down to us and walking in the law of Yahweh

May Yahweh bless you all!

End


Jay_Emm - \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ HalleluYah ! \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ To the Law and to the Testimony of Yahweh !
dAnne - Thank you Father! and thank you servant!
Daria2 - HALLELUYAH !!!!!!!
SisAnnas - & BrEZRA says \0/\0/\0/\0/ PRAISE YAHWEH \0/\0/\0/\0/
Gregory - Shalom Tessy and everyone
Ezeki`El - HALLELU YAH!!
SisAnnas - +rev 14 12
Ezeki`El - Shabbat shalom achim!
braaf - Timely words, HalleluYah!!!!
Berean - \O/\0/\o/\o/\o/\o/ Praise YAHWEH!!
Tessy - Shabbat Shalom
EliYah - Are there any questions or added comments?
BrBill - Shalom everyone!
BrTom - Shalom JTDAL
dAnne - shabbat shalom, Tessy ,Gregory Sower and all!
BrTom - Shalom BrBill
Gregory - Hi DAnne
Tessy - hi dAnne!
Berean - Shabbat Shalom mishpacha
BrBill - Shalom BrTom!
dAnne - so....is the LAW, Yahweh's moral law found in the 10C's or what?
JTDAL - shalom BrTom
BrTom - Shabbat Shalom Berean
JTDAL - Shalom BrBill
BrBill - Shalom Jtdal!
EliYah - That is part of Yahweh's law
SisAnnas - {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Shabbat Shalom mishpacha}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Gregory - +luke 13:35
EliYah - There are more precepts than just the 10 commmandments
braaf - question: So Paul is not wrong , but inerpretation of Pauls teaching has taken on wrong meaning?
EliYah - Yes, braaf
braaf - Good.
Gregory - what about 613 commandment?
EliYah - The common interpretations of Paul are that He said Yahweh's law is abolished
EliYah - but he said no such thing
dAnne - i guess I need to study more.... how do you answer the nailed thing? Obvious Yahshua was the perfect sacrifice...
BrTom - Keep what can be kept of the 613
EliYah - I have a study on that, dAnne: eliyah.com/col2.html
dAnne - thanks, Eliyah
EliYah - actually
EliYah - http://eliyah.com/col2.htm
EliYah - We are to walk as Yahshua walked
EliYah - And He kept Yahweh's commandments
BrTom - In his steps
braaf - So, Where do gentile believers stand in respect to the whole law, including curcomcision?
BrTom - Gentiles are bound to the same law as Israelites
EliYah - If a person was not circumcised on the 8th day, then I believe that they shouldn't have the burden placed upon them unless they feel led to do it.
dAnne - well i have a related Q...if the tassels are still to be worn, why does Paul say that Yahweh will (now, new covenant) write tHis Law on ours hearts? Why do I need a phys reminder if so?
EliYah - And I believe that eventually, Yahweh will lead a person to do that
Ezeki`El - i think circumcision of the heart is more important under the New Covenant. Paul makes a point in stressing that circumcision of the flesh doesnt do anyone any good if they dont "live right"
Tessy - Shalom Gregory :)
EliYah - dAnne: The law was in the hearts of the Israelites also
EliYah - but they still wore tassels
braaf - The grace Paul was talking about was a "time of grace" a time period allowed to turn, or adjust.
dAnne - hmmm
Ezeki`El - +rom 2:26
EliYah - Deuteronomy 30:11 - For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
BrTom - Some of the law has been superceded by the death of Yahshua. In particular, sin sacrifices.
EliYah - Deuteronomy 30:12 - It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
BrBill - True Ezek'El
Tessy - Shabbat Shalom TIY
EliYah - Deuteronomy 30:13 - Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
EliYah - Deuteronomy 30:14 - But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
EliYah - The word and commandment of Yahweh was in their mouth and in their heart
Tessy - Shabbat Shalom TIY
EliYah - And surely Yahshua had the word in Him (He was the Word!) yet He wore tassels also
EliYah - That is what the woman really touched when she touched the 'hem of His garment'
SisAnnas - Do the children wear tassels also ?
BrBill - Don't forget that if one refuse the Sacrifice of Yahshua, one becomes as a Jew without Messiah and is left just with the law!
EliYah - My children usually do
SisAnnas - at all times ?
EliYah - yes, apart from Yahshua..there is no salvation
JTDAL - what about women?
BrBill - Not only children, how come the women don't wear tassels?
EliYah - My wife often wears it in her headcovering
SisAnnas - I do
dAnne - wasn't He talking about the land they were "crossing the Jordan to possess"?
BrTom - Good SisAnnas
braaf - The women and children faall under the jurisdiction and covering of their father.
EliYah - In what verse, dAnne
BrBill - What about single women and widows?
Ezeki`El - i'd imagine they'd start wearing after bar mitzvah traditionally
BrBill - or single women with deceased parents?
EliYah - I see nothing in Yahweh's commandment that excludes women or widows
Ezeki`El - or bat mitzvah if female
braaf - It was for the elders of Israel to cover the singel ones, orphans, and widows.
Tessy - Shabbat Shalom Ezek`El
JTDAL - Who are the single women and widows to be in subjection to? Yahshua?
Ezeki`El - shabbat shalom tesssy!
SisAnnas - When He speaks of the children of Israel is that not including children and women also not just men ?
Ezeki`El - u mustve snuck in
Ezeki`El - or i did :)
EliYah - Their fathers I believe
BrBill - Yahshua died for us on the treee and talk away the law of ordinances by nailing them to the tree!
braaf - Yes I think so to, if their fathers are still alive.
JTDAL - if they have no father living?
BrBill - Hebrews 9 and 10
EliYah - Then I think they would receive an inheritance also if the father was merciful toward them
EliYah - But I think that was rare
EliYah - single women with no father
EliYah - O
EliYah - I'm not sure though
braaf - The body of elders, or their synagoge's leader became their covering.
EliYah - With half women and half men population and polygamy present
braaf - In these days, the congregation of believers. I think.
EliYah - it seems there would be few unmarried women
Tessy - like me
BrBill - Now days Yahshua said "call no one a Rabbi, therefore we have to be under His covering!
EliYah - Are there any prayer requests?

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