04/20/2001 Sabbath Meeting Transcript


"Fearing Yahweh"


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Jozef_Lydia - Omein

EliYah's message:

HalleluYah!!

Tonite I would like to talk about "Fearing Yahweh."

Should we fear Yahweh?

Some say that we need not fear Yahweh, for He is love and a loving Elohim would never want to harm us or judge us.

Is this saying compatible with scripture?

Scripture plainly teaches that one must fear Yahweh.

Fearing Yahweh is a requirement.

Deuteronomy 10:12 - And now, Israel, what doth YAHWEH thy Elohim require of thee, but to fear YAHWEH thy Elohim, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart and with all thy soul,

So we see that it is something that Yahweh does "require"

Fearing Yahweh means not fearing man

Deuteronomy 13:1 - If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

Deuteronomy 13:2 - And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other elohim, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

Deuteronomy 13:3 - Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for YAHWEH your Elohim proveth you, to know whether ye love YAHWEH your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul.

Deuteronomy 13:4 - Ye shall walk after YAHWEH your Elohim, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

So we shouldn't fear the words of those who tell us to disobey Yahweh

We should rather, fear Yahweh in such an instance

When we fear Yahweh, will want to love Him and depart from pride and evil:

Proverbs 3:7 - Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear YAHWEH, and depart from evil.

Fearing Yahweh and deciding to keep His commandments is the whole duty of man

Ecclesiastes 12:13 - Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear Elohim, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Some say this is no longer the duty of man

Some say it's just our duty to have faith only

"Just believe" they say

But we should know better

Fearing Yahweh is a key part of the true glad tidings:

Revelation 14:6 - Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting evangel to preach to those who dwell on the earth--to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people--

What is this end time message?

Revelation 14:7 - saying with a loud voice, "Fear YAHWEH and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water."

Indeed, it involves fearing Yahweh

When we fear Yahweh, we are taught His ways because we repent and walk in the truth:

Psalms 25:12 - What man is he that feareth YAHWEH? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.

And we are pitied as a Father pities His children:

Psalms 103:13 - Like as a father pitieth his children, so YAHWEH pitieth them that fear him.

Yahweh takes pleasure in those that fear Him and hope in His mercy.

Psalms 147:11 - YAHWEH taketh pleasure in them that fear him, in those that hope in his mercy.

I believe that this is a key scripture in understanding

Those who fear Yahweh will give thought to hoping in His mercy

Without fear, what need is there for mercy?

It is truth that Yahweh's mercy is upon those that fear Him:

Luke 1:49 - For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

Luke 1:50 - And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.

Yahweh's people fear Him

Malachi 3:16 - Then they that feared YAHWEH spake often one to another: and YAHWEH hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared YAHWEH, and that thought upon his name.

As we see, even a book of remembrance was set for them

and Yahweh will have mercy on them:

Malachi 3:17 - And they shall be mine, saith YAHWEH of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

Malachi 3:18 - Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth Elohim and him that serveth him not.

So indeed, this is a key difference between one who serves Yahweh and one who does not serve Him!

Continuing..

Malachi 4:1 - For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith YAHWEH of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Malachi 4:2 - But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

Malachi 4:3 - And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith YAHWEH of hosts.

Malachi 4:4 - Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

HalleluYah! In that day it shall be known who fears Yahweh and keeps His commandments.

In that day it shall be known who serves Yahweh and who does not serve Him

Satan has muddied the waters, confused right and wrong, and decieved millions into thinking that Yahweh loves, therefore he won't judge the sinners

But the same Elohim who loves all mankind is coming back to judge those who do not fear Him and keep His commandments! His commandments show us how to love Him!

Yahushua first came as a Lamb but will return as a LION

There are some scriptures, which may appear on the surface to be saying we need not fear Yahweh. Let's examine them

2Timothy 1:3 - I thank YAHWEH, whom I serve from my forefathers with pure conscience, that without ceasing I have remembrance of thee in my prayers night and day;

2Timothy 1:4 - Greatly desiring to see thee, being mindful of thy tears, that I may be filled with joy;

2Timothy 1:5 - When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.

Paul is writing to Timothy here

2Timothy 1:6 - Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of YAHWEH, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.

2Timothy 1:7 - For YAHWEH hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

The next verse makes it very clear that what is at issue here is not the fear of Yahweh, but the fear of man:

2Timothy 1:8 - Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Master, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the evangel according to the power of YAHWEH;

We shouldn't be ashamed of the testimony of Yahshua the Messiah. This is derived from the fear of man.

Let's examine another scripture:

Hebrews 2:11 - For both He who sets apart and those who are being set apart are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren,

Hebrews 2:12 - saying: "I will declare Your name to My brethren; in the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You."

Hebrews 2:13 - And again: "I will put My trust in Him." And again: "Here am I and the children whom YAHWEH has given Me."

Hebrews 2:14 - Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,

Hebrews 2:15 - and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

This type of fear is speaking of a fear of death

If we are walking as Yahshua walked and we truly believe that Yahshua is the Messiah, should we have any reason to fear death?

Those who have a fear of death are subject to bondage according to this scripture.In Yahshua we have life, not death.

Romans 8:12 - Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

Romans 8:13 - For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Romans 8:14 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of YAHWEH, they are the sons of YAHWEH.

Romans 8:15 - For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

We must not live after the flesh. If we are in Yahshua and walking as He walked, we have no reason to fear death and eternal damnation because we are adopted children of Yahweh

We must through the Spirit mortify the deeds of the body, that we might live

Now let's examine one more area of scripture:

1John 4:12 - No one has seen YAHWEH at any time. If we love one another, YAHWEH abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.

1John 4:13 - By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.

1John 4:14 - And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.

1John 4:15 - Whoever confesses that Yahushua is the Son of YAHWEH, YAHWEH abides in him, and he in YAHWEH.

1John 4:16 - And we have known and believed the love that YAHWEH has for us. YAHWEH is love, and he who abides in love abides in YAHWEH, and YAHWEH in him.

1John 4:17 - Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.

"as He is, so are we in this world."

If this be the case, then we have no reason to fear damnation in the day of judgement.

If we love Yahweh, we will have no reason to fear His torment:

1John 4:18 - There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.

How do we reconcile this scripture with the others that tell us to fear Yahweh?

There is no fear in love. Now here is the key question. How do we love Yahweh?

Deuteronomy 7:9 - Know therefore that YAHWEH thy Elohim, he is Elohim, the faithful El, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Perfect love casts out fear. If we love Him perfectly and are keeping His commandments then we can expect His mercy on the day of judgement

This is written in the following scriptures

1John 4:19 - We love Him because He first loved us.

1John 4:20 - If someone says, "I love YAHWEH," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love YAHWEH whom he has not seen?

Surely there is a qualifier to someone who claims to love Yahweh.

Not all who claim to love Him actually do

Therefore they SHOULD fear

I've heard it said this way once:

Most of us love the water

Water gives us life and cleanses us

But water is also to be feared if we don't obey the rules of the water

We can swim in the water, but if we break the rules of the water.. it can kill us

It has the power to give life, and also death.. but we must heed the rule

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Even so with Yahweh

Yahweh gives us life, and has the power to give us death

So let's heed His rules

If we are without sin, we have perfected love toward Yahweh

1John 5:1 - Whoever believes that Yahushua is the Messiah is born of YAHWEH, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him.

1John 5:2 - By this we know that we love the children of YAHWEH, when we love YAHWEH and keep His commandments.

1John 5:3 - For this is the love of YAHWEH, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

HalleluYah! This is the key brethren, love Yahweh, keep His commandments and we will have no reason to fear death and eternal damnation

The problem today is, people don't have any fear of Yahweh when they have sinned

Rather, when they sin..they care not because they think they have perfected love and have no reason to fear

But we must fear Yahweh and keep His commandments .. else we really don't love Him

This is what is lacking today brethren!! Fear of Yahweh!

If a person truly fears Yahweh, then they would be careful about doing anything to offend Him.

Would one who fears Yahweh say: "I know this is wrong, but He has mercy on me and so He doesn't mind if I (insert falsehood/sin here)?"

This is not love and this is not fear of Yahweh

Indeed, it is out of a lack of fear toward Yahweh and a gigantic fear toward man that causes millions to not accept any doctrine that is scriptural and not mainstream

Yahshua said we aren't to fear man, but fear Yahweh!

Matthew 10:27 - What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

Matthew 10:28 - And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Isaiah 66:5 - Hear the word of YAHWEH, ye that tremble at his word; your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let YAHWEH be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

How many tremble at His word today?

Rather, we hear the boasting of men..that they do not care that they have sinned because they believe it is all 'under the blood' and they boast that they are 'saved' and that Yahweh doesn't care if we do this or that

Yahshua taught that He who endures to the end will be saved.

Matthew 10:22 - And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

And we know not the future, what it will hold and if we will stand!

1Corinthians 10:12 - Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Luke 21:36 - Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

But Yahweh will look upon the poor and contrite ones who tremble at His word when it convicts them of their sins

Indeed if we have no sin, we need not tremble..but if we have sin..fear Yahweh and repent for your sin was not of love

If we really fear Yahweh and know that consider His eyes beholding our actions and thoughts at all time, would we sin?

We must love..and sin no more.

1John 3:4 - Whoever commits sin trangresses also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.

May Yahweh bless you all! :)

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Jay_Emm - \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ HalleluYah !!! \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/
WAYne-Julie - HalleluYAH!
Jozef_Lydia - HalleluYah, we praise You Father Yahweh, let us be worthy to be called your sons,and obey your commandments at all times!!\0/\0/
BrBob - says hello to everyone !
vgmc - So breaking the Sabbath does not show love
downlo - HalleluYAH!!
Maggid - Excellent.
Dawid-n-Cher - halleluyah!!!!!!!!!!
BrBob - Shabbat Shalon Y'all
Maggid - Shabbat Shalom. ..............................................................................exit.
downlo - Shabbat shalom ((((((((((((((((BrBob))))))))))))))))))
EliYah - Shabbat Shalom BrBob :)
simpleman - Eliyah, do you really know anyone who "boasts of their sin" and says that "Yahweh doesn't mind"? I have never heard such a thing.
cyberscan - SHabbat Shalome
BrBob - {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ EliYah }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
gaile - I took a lesson from Job who feared Yahweh He prayed coontinually for the sins of himself andd the sins of his heart;;;; then he prayed for the sins of All his children and the sins of his chidrens heart.... What a good example for me.
VictoryYAHbbl - HalleluYAH!
EliYah - I have come across many that way on the 'net
simpleman - What do they call themselves?
BrBob - Licentiousness
EliYah - Christians
BrBob - hehe
EliYah - They say they live by faith alone
cyberscan - True
BrBob - That's it.
EliYah - And that even a homosexual can enter in
EliYah - as long as they have faith
WAYne-Julie - faith without works is dead , visa versa , >James<
simpleman - None of the christians I know would ever say such a thing. They also do not wish to sin. They are just a bit weak in the area of knowing what is sin.
Jozef_Lydia - Faith withhout works is dead.
BrBob - They say they are not sinners, they are forgiven.
EliYah - Yes, I know some that way also
Thor_Else-Marie - Shabbat shalom brothers and sisters, lyla tov, Yahweh bless u
cyberscan - Nobody is perfect, but that does not give people the right to ignore what they do. Pepole should follow the Law as best as they can.
Claudiach - This is my first time here, and I believe Yahweh has led me to hear this
EliYah - Welcome, Claudiach
BrBob - {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Claudiach }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Miles - Faith without Light [torah] is Blind Faith.
BrBob - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
Claudiach - Thank you
simpleman - I am afraid that in this place a broad brush id used to paint christians as uncaring sinners.
Dawid-n-Cher - Simpleman, I was raised Baptist, and they believed that once you were saved you were always saved, no matter what you did.
WAYne-Julie - welcome ((((( CLaudiach )))))
cyberscan - Glad to Have you Claudia
ShphrdGrl - Shalom BrTom :)
EliYah - no, there are many who are sincere
Yahuwthah - Paul said something about persuasion being followed by temperance
Qoholeth - A friend of mine rubuked the messianism by saying Yahushua came for the gentiles not the Jewish
BrTom - SHABBAT SHALOM Everyone!!
simpleman - Dawid, did this cause them to not seek to walk pleasing to the Father?
BrTom - I've missed you!
gaile - a BIG HI Claudiach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WAYne-Julie - ((((( BrTom )))))
downlo - Shabbat shalom BrTom
Elise - Hi Dad!
EliYah - It creates a lax attitude toward sin
BrTom - Hi Elise
Yahuwthah - Yahuwshu`a did not come for Gentiles nor for the racial Jews, He came for the lost sheep of Yisrael
BrBob - Shalom BrTom !
BrTom - Shalom Downlo
EliYah - Like "yeah.. I sin all the time, but oh well"
BrBob - {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ downlo }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
decrease - Jane are you there?
Dawid-n-Cher - No simpleman, they just didn't have the fear of YHWH. But I was raised to be as obedient to the scriptures as I could.
BrBob - {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Elisheba }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
simpleman - I have never heard a christian say such a thing. They regret their sins the same as I do.
simpleman - Thanks dawid.
EliYah - I'm going by the things I get in email
Dawid-n-Cher - You're welcome simpleman. (Just to let you know, it really depended on the person, and their convictions)
BrBob - , I think almost all of them have a different perspective on exactly what sin IS.
EliYah - as well as observation when working with some
Batyah - I know I was a christian for along time, they tell me I live under the curse
cyberscan - Everyone is a sinner both faithful as well as unfaithful
simpleman - Now we are getting some where. Just like with any believer, it depends on the persons commitment and trust!
Dawid-n-Cher - +1 john 3 4
EliYah - But the point of this message was not to put others down, but to encourage all to fear Yahweh
Dawid-n-Cher - 1john 3 4
EliYah - +1joh 3 4
Yahuwthah - sin is a mystical word which means to err, to miss the mark, to fail the goal
Miles - Yes BrBob, most people decide for themselves what will be Law and what will not. Usually making a distinction between Jewish Laws (sic) and Church laws.
Batyah - if we leave our heat open to Yahweh I believe the spirit of truth will enter
cyberscan - brb
simpleman - But Eliyah, you started out with a statement which talked about what "others" say. Everyone here automatically thinks "christians"
Batyah - heart open
EliYah - I know of people using Yahweh's name who say the same thing
Yahuwthah - the spirit of the Anointed is the Advocate, and it is sent by the Father by the name of Yahuwshu`a
EliYah - And I know of unbelievers who say the same thing
bear - not everyone automatically thinks "christians"
Batyah - praise Yah on that count
Yahuwthah - the human spirit of the Anointed Yahuwshu`a which He committed into His Father's hands when He died is the Spirit of Truth
EliYah - Actually, my opening statement.. I was thinking specifically of unbelievers
simpleman - Anyone who would talk like that is clearly not a follower of the Father.
EliYah - That was my point :)
Miles - Could be a different Father....
simpleman - Most unbelievers I know don't believe in any Elohim.
EliYah - Most unbelievers I know believe there is an Elohim, but that He loves us too much to judge us
EliYah - And that "as long as we live an overall good life", we are ok
simpleman - and I would remind you that you said that they called themselves christians. I didn't bring it up.
Yahuwthah - most unwittingly serve Fortune (God), and blame Fate, some believe in Destiny (Money)
Talmid - Shalom
simpleman - the christian part that is.
EliYah - Yes, many do simpleman :)
vgmc - YHOP is located in Oneida Township, MI; on the outskirts of Grand Ledge
Yahuwthah - IHOP?
Batyah - the lost sheep of this world was taught untruth, and its been ebreeded in the for along time its hard
simpleman - International house of pancakes
Jozef_Lydia - I supose there are different levels of maturity in followers of Yahushua, some never evolve out of the religion they are born in, some not so correct, others more so
vgmc - Yahweh's House of Prayer...I meant to whisper to Elise, but oh well...
Jozef_Lydia - but there is always room for improvement, wherever we are
Yahuwthah - Batyah, this is the time of the dry tree
vgmc - No, YHOP does not serve pancakes
simpleman - :-)
EliYah - They must serve Yahweh
EliYah - :)
Yahuwthah - this is a people dying of thirst for the water of life
Batyah - yes it time for the calling of sheep to come home
simpleman - I've been there and did not get eggs either. :-)
BrBill_Angel - \0/
Jozef_Lydia - and they that 'fear' the Father, work hard on it to please Him more than before....
Jozef_Lydia - for they have become consciense of what sin is...
BrBill_Angel - lol
gaile - EliYah are we not to seek or try to seek Yahwehs face to understand His laws so that we do not stay in sin? and is it not in His time that He grows us? some things are fast, and some things are slow and sometimes He had to keep knocking on my head until I get it right. As long as I keep trying does He not keep bringing me further and further?
Batyah - I known god fearing people whe study and pray faithfully, but believe that the law was done away with because paul said it
Yahuwthah - Batyah, the pastors of Israel have to fulfill their mission to starve and scatter His sheep YirmYahuw 23, Ychezqel 34
EliYah - Yes Gaile, I do believe that Yahweh has Patience and Mercy
Talmid - Paul also said he established the law, so they're just taking what lines they like and ignoring the rest.
Jozef_Lydia - wel put gaile, we can relate to that too :)
simpleman - Batyah, there are many verses which on the surface would seem to say this.
Jozef_Lydia - still have the bumps to prove
EliYah - And mercy is given to those who love and fear Him
Yahuwthah - Ya-hweh paces us in our growth, as the Potter forms the clay gradually and not KATCHUNG!
WAYne-Julie - +2pet 3 15 17
Batyah - yes I know this, by being in a place where the ruach has made that I would not be satisfied
Dawid-n-Cher - I wanted to ask about laying on of hands. Can you give us some info?
WAYne-Julie - +isai 30 9 11
BrBob - ================ PRAISE YAHWEH!! ================
WAYne-Julie - +psa 150 3 6
BrBob - ¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸ Praise Yahweh! ¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸
BrBob - Praise YAHWEH !!
BrBob - Praise Yahweh!
cyberscan - HalaluYah
BrBob - Praise Yahweh!
Talmid - Such colourful language BrBob :)
simpleman - Dawid, that can mean many things. Which aspect do you want to talk about?
Batyah - Angel I had to send the rebellious out, right now she is no longer here
BrTom - Laying on of hands is a basic doctrine
BrBob - <<< SMILES at Talmid >>> :o) THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
Jozef_Lydia - Isaiah 30:9 - That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that .... WILL not..... hear the law of YAHWEH:
Yahuwthah - question: if we are awaiting the time of the latter rain of the Spirit empowering us, is that when the Force of it is passed by laying on of hands?
BrTom - + Heb 6 1-2
vgmc - BrTom, your daughter's here
WAYne-Julie - +mat 5 16
BrTom - Yeah vgmc
WAYne-Julie - +pro 6 23
BrTom - :o)
WAYne - +eph 5 8
WAYne - +isai 8 20
ShphrdGrl - BrTom, Hows Cathy?
Batyah - from my study its say lay not your hand on anyone suddenly
Dawid-n-Cher - Well in a pentacostal church it makes people "get knocked out in the spirit", but I am curious what it is pertaining to.
vgmc - unfortunately, BrTom...so am I : - þ
BrTom - Doing well, thanks, but tired.
BrBob - heresy
BrTom - As usual at the start of Sabbath
BrBob - hehe]
Yahuwthah - pentecostals do not have the spirit of Yahweh as they do not acknowledge His name
Talmid - All of Torah and all of New Testament is dedicated to establishing the law of Yahueh. The only time there is any otherwise said is out of the mouth of Paul, who is most often misunderstood. Aside from apparently saying the law was done away with, he also said that he Established the Law.
gaile - Thank you EliYah. I do have another prayer request for later, please, Yahweh loves me .t found out that my granddaughter Rikishia may be going blind. I put her back up at Yahwehs throne to have His perfect way with her, and asked Him If I could on His repetive words for her. ""Do you have the eye to see, and the ear to hear". Rikishia is 7 years young
vgmc - HERESY?
simpleman - some times it speaks of giving authority as in "Lay hands on no man quickly" other times it speaks of impartation like the Ruach.
EliYah - Those who were knocked out in the Spirit were unbelievers
EliYah - John 18:6 - As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
EliYah - But the believers remained standing
Batyah - yes but it should be done in order, and elder should youask unless it is family
WAYne - +mat 24 13 15

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