04/06/2001 Sabbath Meeting Transcript


"Watch the Door of our Lips"


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Jozef_Lydia - Dear heavenly Father
Jozef_Lydia - we are coming before your tonight
Jozef_Lydia - to thank you for the protection and the blessings bestowed on us all
Jozef_Lydia - ]and to thank you for the possibility to gather this way
Jozef_Lydia - and connect as a body
Jozef_Lydia - to worship you, to learn from you to receive from your table
Jozef_Lydia - the things we need so badly
Jozef_Lydia - 'Spiritual food, and sustanance
Jozef_Lydia - to get us trhough this life
Jozef_Lydia - and help us to overcome
Jozef_Lydia - and stand against the things which so easely divert us from your way
Jozef_Lydia - Father we ask that you open our ears and eyes and heart tonight
Jozef_Lydia - for your word
Jozef_Lydia - and enlighten our souls as to your will
Jozef_Lydia - and give us not only our daily bread but a banquet
Jozef_Lydia - as we are prepairing for Pesach
Jozef_Lydia - let us not forget what you have done
Jozef_Lydia - and what Yahushua did for us all
Jozef_Lydia - Cleansing us with his blood,
Jozef_Lydia - forgiving us of all our sins
Jozef_Lydia - and putting us on the road of salvation
Jozef_Lydia - We pray to hear our call for you, Abba
Jozef_Lydia - and we receive from your bounty
Jozef_Lydia - in the name of messiah, Yahushua
Jozef_Lydia - Thank you, Praise your name Yahweh
Jozef_Lydia - for ever and forever
Jozef_Lydia - omein

EliYah's message:

HalleluYah!!

Tonight, we are going to discuss how to be a part of the 144,000

There are many religions and many believers that would like to think they are part of the 144,000

It seems that each has their reasons as to why they believe they will qualify

Tonight, let's take a look at the 144,000 spoken of in Revelation 14

And let's see what the scriptures have to say about them

What characteristics do they have?

What attributes describe them?

Let's see:

Revelation 14:1 - Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and His Father's name written on their foreheads.

First, we see that the name of the Father and the name of the Messiah is written on their foreheads

I am quite sure that the names written there are not "Jesus" and "The LORD"

But rather, the true names of the Father and His Messiah are written there

Revelation 14:2 - And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps.

Revelation 14:3 - They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth.

We see that they were singing, and playing the harps.. but this is after they have been redeemed

Revelation 14:4 - These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to YAHWEH and to the Lamb.

They are not defiled with women..

All throughout Revelation, we see that women are symbolically representing a religious group or denomination..

either a false one or the true one

In this case, they are not defiled by women, obviously the false religions

The 144,000 were pure in their religion and worship

There is no paganism or idolatry in them

continuing..

Revelation 14:5 - And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of YAHWEH.

There is no deceit at all in their mouth, no guile, no falsehood.. nothing but truth proceeding out of their mouth

There are many who might claim the former 2 attributes

But who can tame the tongue?

It is written in the proverb:

Proverbs 13:3 - He that keepeth his mouth keepeth his life: but he that openeth wide his lips shall have destruction.

Here are some scriptures to consider:

Ecclesiastes 5:3 - For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

Proverbs 15:2 - The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.

Proverbs 15:4 - A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.

Do you desire life?

Psalms 34:12 - What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good?

Psalms 34:13 - Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.

Psalms 34:14 - Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.

Guarding our mouth is nearly impossible apart from Yahweh:

James 3:1 - My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.

James 3:2 - For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body.

A perfect man

Like the 144,000

Revelation 14:5 - And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of YAHWEH.

But who can tame the tongue?

James 3:3 - Indeed, we put bits in horses' mouths that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body.

James 3:4 - Look also at ships: although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds, they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot desires.

James 3:5 - Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things. See how great a forest a little fire kindles!

James 3:6 - And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell.

"Even so, the tongue is so set that it defiles our whole body!" <--- Wow!

Proverbs 16:27 - A worthless man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire.

Continuing in James..

James 3:7 - For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind.

James 3:8 - But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

James 3:9 - With it we bless YAHWEH our Father and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of YAHWEH.

James 3:10 - Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so.

James 3:11 - Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening?

James 3:12 - Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh.

James 3:13 - Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct [that] his works are done in the meekness of wisdom.

So in context, there is a certain danger that exists for those who are teachers of Yahweh as well as all of Yahweh's servants

Let us heed Yahshua's warning:

Matthew 12:35 - A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

Matthew 12:36 - But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Matthew 12:37 - For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Truly this is a powerful saying!

We need to always consider that every word we speak will be brought before the Judge

Can we stand before the Son of Man?

You see, we cannot bridle the tongue at all

But Yahweh can

Surely we must be humble and ask Yahweh to put a guard on our mouths...

Psalms 141:3 - Set a watch, O YAHWEH, before my mouth; keep the door of my lips.

With Yahweh guarding our mouth, we can be preserved.

Proverbs 13:3 - He that keepeth his mouth keepeth his life: but he that openeth wide his lips shall have destruction.

Our own mouth can be a snare!

Proverbs 12:13 - The wicked is snared by the transgression of his lips: but the just shall come out of trouble.

When our lips are guarded, we preserve ourselves from potential troubles:

Proverbs 21:23 - Whoso keepeth his mouth and his tongue keepeth his soul from troubles.

Psalms 39:1 - I said, I will take heed to my ways, that I sin not with my tongue: I will keep my mouth with a bridle, while the wicked is before me.

Psalms 39:2 - I was dumb with silence, I held my peace, even from good; and my sorrow was stirred.

Psalms 39:3 - My heart was hot within me, while I was musing the fire burned: then spake I with my tongue,

Psalms 39:4 - YAHWEH, make me to know mine end, and the measure of my days, what it is; that I may know how frail I am.

Yahushua also knew this wisdom:

Isaiah 53:7 - He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

Luke 23:8 - And when Herod saw Yahushua, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long season, because he had heard many things of him; and he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him.

Luke 23:9 - Then he questioned with him in many words; but he answered him nothing.

Does anyone have less hope than a fool?

Proverbs 29:20 - Seest thou a man that is hasty in his words? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

Consider that!

Of all the times that the word "fool" occurs in the scriptures, 55% of them are in the book of Proverbs

where foolishness is condemned on no uncertain terms!

And yet there is more hope for a FOOL than for one who is hasty in his words!!! \

Now let's look closely at another passage in James

James 1:26 - If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion [is] useless.

Useless!

The greek lexicon reveals that in this passage, the first occurrence of the word 'religious' means to 'fear Yahweh'.

and the second occurance (religion) means 'Worship'

Therefore, a possible translation would be:

"If any man among you seem to be Yahweh-fearing, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's worship is vain."

Wow brethren, this is SERIOUS! Consider Yahushua's words:

Mark 7:7 - Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctines the commandments of men.

According to Yahshua, the words and teachings of the scribes and pharisees were not of Yahweh and their worship was vain

Even so, James says that Anyone says they fear Yahweh but bridles not their tongue, then they deceive themselves and their "WORSHIP IS VAIN or USELESS

Proverbs 10:18 - He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, is a fool.

Proverbs 10:19 - In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin: but he that refraineth his lips is wise.

Do we speak with many words?

According to scripture: In the multitude of words, sin is not lacking

James 1:19 - So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath;

Proverbs 10:20 - The tongue of the just is as choice silver: the heart of the wicked is little worth.

Proverbs 10:21 - The lips of the righteous feed many: but fools die for want of wisdom.

If we speak, to what should our speech be likened unto?

1Peter 4:11 - If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of YAHWEH. If anyone ministers, let him do it as with the ability which YAHWEH supplies, that in all things YAHWEH may be glorified through Yahushua the Messiah, to whom belong the glory and the dominion forever and ever.

So if and when we do choose to speak, it should be as the oracles of Yahweh

This is what the 144,000 are like.. pure truth and without guile or deceit

Ephesians 4:29 - Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart favor to the hearers.

How do we let no corrupt word proceed out of our mouth?

We may need to battle away corrupt thoughts that lead to corrupt speech

2Corinthians 10:4 - for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses.

2Corinthians 10:5 - Destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of YAHWEH, taking every thought captive to the obedience of the Messiah,

Take captive every thought to the obedience of Messiah

if our thoughts are not in accordance with obedience to Yahweh.. cast it out

Ask Yahweh to cast it out

Colossians 4:6 - Let your speech be alway with favor, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

Yahushua commented on the speech of one:

John 1:46 - And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.

John 1:47 - Yahushua saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

A huge compliment coming from our Master

Will He say this of us?

If so, we have one of the attributes of the 144,000

Ephesians 5:3 - But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints;

Ephesians 5:4 - neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.

Foolish talking and coarse jesting is a popular thing today

It might even be the biggest source of our words NOT being as the oracles of Yahweh

Proverbs 26:18 - As a mad man who casteth firebrands, arrows, and death,

Proverbs 26:19 - So is the man that deceiveth his neighbour, and saith, Am not I in sport?

Another translation has "Am not I in sport?" as "I was only joking!"

We need to pay particular attention to our words on Yahweh's Sabbath day:

Isaiah 58:13 - If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of YAHWEH, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

"nor speaking thine own words:"

Another translation says "Idle words"

Our speech should be as the oracles of Yahweh!

Spiritual food!

Like choice silver..refined 7 times!

Proverbs 12:6 - The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood: but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

Psalms 12:6 - The words of YAHWEH are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

Proverbs 10:20 - The tongue of the just is as choice silver: the heart of the wicked is little worth.

Therefore..

Let us beware lest we fall into condemnation

Ecclesiastes 12:14 - For Elohim shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. .

So lets consider the ways in which we walk

Consider..

the words that we speak

Are they acceptable unto Yahweh?

If not

Let's repent, and pray as David did..

Psalms 19:14 - Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O YAHWEH, my strength, and my redeemer.

May Yahweh bless you and may Yahweh help us all!

End


Jay_Emm - \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ HalleluYah !!! \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/
WAYne - \o/ HalleluYAH Almighty Father Through our Master Yahushua HalleluYAH \o/ Thus will I bless thee while I live: I will lift up my hands in Thy Name. Psa 63:4
downlo - HalleluYAH!!
pjr - praise yahweh
gaile - !!!!!!! Well I sure do not want to be "Hung by the tongue".!!!!!!! I have a question: If we are around someone who constantly is the "fool" with the mouth do we have the right to say please stop I really don't want to listen because I might be just as guilty as you by listening to it? and can we honestly with a good heart remove ourselves from them for a time if they continue to do it?
Jozef_Lydia - HalleluYah !! Praise to Him \0/\o/
EliYah - Proverbs 14:7 - Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.
torahworm - HalleluYAh
Dawid-n-Cher - HalleluYah, Thank you YHWH for our spiritual food!
Kefa - only got half of it but what I did, WOW!
EliYah - Proverbs 9:6 - Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.
EliYah - Proverbs 13:20 - He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.
decrease - Great sermon....together we all can do that and fear YHWH...HalleluYah
Talmid - truly we cannot be held responsible for the actions of other people, but must he held responsible for our own. We have always been told to remove sin from our lives, whether the sin is our own or someone elses.
WAYne - +2cor 6 14
WAYne - +jam 1 26
gaile - What about bearing the iniquity of others if you know?
EliYah - Ephesians 5:11 - And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
Jozef_Lydia - Jozef has put a big knot in his toungue !
WAYne - Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Mat, 5:16 ***** For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are The Way of life. Prov 6:23
bear - does that mean we are not supposed to talk about anything other than the bible on the sabbath day? please forgive me for being but a babe in the faith
decrease - I got it back from froze
Cathy-Krystal - what happened?????
EliYah - We just had an internet failure
EliYah - We just had an internet failure
Talmid - Ah, I thought i had offended someone :P
decrease - Satan can not win against us we are still here HalleluYah
WAYne - Shabbat Shalom All, welcome back :)
decrease - +Luke 13 35
EliYah - We just had an internet failure, sorry for the loss in connection
Angel - Shalom!
Dawid-n-Cher - We wondered what was going on ! And it was right after a question that we just asked, that I have wanted to know the answer to ALL MY LIFE !!
Cathy-Krystal - Praise Yahweh we are still here!
Talmid - better ask it again then :)
Dawid-n-Cher - HalleluYAH !
EliYah - Go ahead then, Dawid-n-Cher :)
Tiffinie - I though it was just us
Jozef_Lydia - I just had a question about lighthearted remarks [ sometimes called joke] in response to and opposite of idle talk
Dawid-n-Cher - Eliyah, were able to read our question, or did you answer it ?
EliYah - Thor says Shalom to all.. he is here with us tonight
VictoryYAH - Hello Thor :-)
EliYah - He and his wife and baby, he was baptized and got married this week, HalleluYah :)))
Dawid-n-Cher - shalom Thor.
WAYne - Shalom Thor :)
steved - shalom Thor
pjr - shalom thor
Tiffinie - Shalom Thor
VictoryYAH - HalleluYAH!
Jozef_Lydia - for proverbs says a merry heart doeth goed like a medicine
Dawid-n-Cher - HalleluYAH !!!
EliYah - I didn't see that question, Dawid-n-Cher
Dawid-n-Cher - Okay,
bear - Shalom Thor and family
WAYne - HalleluYAH!
Angel - Thor Yahweh bless you always!
Cathy-Krystal - Shalom to the newlyweds
Kefa - Praise Yahweh!!!!!!!!!!
EliYah - I think the merry heart should come from the joy of Yahweh. The main thing is that our speech is not defiled with falsehood
claudia - Hello Thor....welcome to the USA...and have a long and happy marriage
Jozef_Lydia - MAZEL TOV Thor. Shalom and Yahwehs blessings
gaile - I thought it was my computer again I have been having so much trouble with it. Well I am gooing to help my husband to bed, he still has a broken back and left wrist and arm. Please keep him and me up in your prayers. Thank You.
WAYne - +pro 31 10 13
Dawid-n-Cher - Okay, I understand. We just didn't want to feel that we were sinning because we made somebody laugh with an innocent joke.
Jozef_Lydia - Thanks Eliyah
Dawid-n-Cher - And is there such a thing as an innocent joke ?
Angel - Shalom gaile!
EliYah - Thor says Todah to everybody
claudia - when was the marriage?
bear - are we not supposed to talk about anything but biblical issues on the sabbath day then? or is general conversation okay?
EliYah - I think jokes should probably be at a minimum, because they can be dangerous to the one who desires a pure tongue
donnee - +is 58 13 14
decrease - Praise report from last week Friday: My wife is no longer pain in her liver since I notice she was not complaining, Thank Doctor Yahushua :o)
EliYah - I believe we should keep our conversation on Yahweh and His ways on the Sabbath
EliYah - no idle words
EliYah - HalleluYAH!
Torahworm - what does Todah mean?
Torahworm - Laila tov everybody
EliYah - Todah is Hebrew for "Thank you"
WAYne - +isa 58 13 15
decrease - Todah=thanks
claudia - EliYah...when was Thors Marriage?
EliYah - Yesterday
claudia - :)
EliYah - Actually, 5th day
bear - that would make for a quiet day, would it not? If you do not see some people other days of the week, and only on the sabbath that would mean that you couldnt "catch" up on how they are doing. Is that right? or am i totally missing the point?
Dawid-n-Cher - Do people on this list teach their children 1st day, second day, third day, etc. etc. as oppossed to the "Days of the week" that are named after the Pagan gods ?
EliYah - I think we can recall our week in the context of Yahweh if He is in our life as He should be
EliYah - I prefer to use 1st day, 2nd day, etc.. rather than name of idols for each day
decrease - +Mal 3 7
Dawid-n-Cher - And the same with the months of the years.
Cathy-Krystal - we are trying to switch over from the pagon names
BrBill - What does one call the key that starts their car?
Cathy-Krystal - but habits are hard to break
Talmid - carkey?
Lea_ - Who says the days of the week are named after Pagan Gods?
Dawid-n-Cher - I am asking because we are beginning to home school, and I have the power to teach either way as opposed to them learning the "calendar" at school.
BrBill - Talmid, not usually.
EliYah - I would teach Yahweh's calendar from the beginning if I had to do it over :)
WAYne - heres some food for thought also.....
WAYne - Jewish Months .....Babylonian Months
WAYne - 1. Nisan .....Nisanu
WAYne - 2. Iyar .....Ayaru
WAYne - 3. Sivan .....Simanu
WAYne - 4. Tammuz .....Du'uzu (or Dumuzi, same god as Tammuz)
WAYne - 5. Av .....Abu
WAYne - 6. Elul .....Ululu
WAYne - 7. Tishri .....Tashritu
WAYne - 8. Cheshvan .....Arakhsanmna
WAYne - 9. Kislev .....Kislimu
WAYne - 10. Tevet .....Tebetu (or D'abitu)
WAYne - 11. Sh'vat ....Shabatu
WAYne - 12. Adar .....Adaru
BrBill - The key that starts the car?
Lea_ - I am not familar with those Pagan Gods and I WAS Pagan at one time!
Dawid-n-Cher - Lea_ for instance, in the book Fossilized customs, here is a small passage.
Jozef_Lydia - Sounds Japanese Wayne
Lea_ - Ok...
BrBill - What about a sister who's name is Daphne?
Lea_ - Or Cerriwdwen?
Dawid-n-Cher - Sun-day, From Latin, dies Solis, the "Day of the sun" Since Babylon was established. Pagans have worshipped the Sun.
claudia - many of us change our names to visit here
EliYah - monday = moon day, etc
Dawid-n-Cher - Baal, Shamash, Moloch, Krishna, etc. etc.
Jozef_Lydia - welcome back joseph
Lea_ - Saturday in spanish is Sabado... = a form of Sabbath.

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