Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 03/10/00


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wrblest - shalom
Berean - Our Father, AllMighty YHWH
Berean - we thankYou for this Sabbath day, and the rest it brings
Berean - ThankYou Father, for the fellowship, and the blessings you have given us through this week
Berean - Father, we ask that you bless this meeting, and the words that are given here, we ask for guidance
Berean - Father, we also ask that You watch over those who are not here with us tonight, those of Yours who seek You.
Berean - Father, we ask that You cleanse us and help us have pure and clean hearts, give us the will to overcome and to walk in Your Way
Berean - We ask that in all things, Your will be done, above all else.
Berean - and we ask everything in Your Sons Name, Yahshua
Berean - HalleluYah!

EliYah's message:

HalleluYah!

Tonite I would like to talk about something very important.

It's our "Attitude".

The definition for "Attitude" in the dictionary:

12attitude n 1: a complex mental orientation involving beliefs and feelings and values and dispositions to act in certain ways

Our attitude toward Yahweh, our attitude toward obedience to His commandments, our attitude in response to salvation are very important

The word "Attitude" is not found in scripture, at least it is not translated as such. However, examples of good and poor attitudes are many. Here is an example of a poor attitude:

Numbers 11:1 - And when the people complained, it displeased YAHWEH: and YAHWEH heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of YAHWEH burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.

As we can see, a complaining attitude is not something that is pleasing to Yahweh.

Complaining is often due to a lack of faith:

Numbers 13:30 - And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it.

Numbers 13:31 - But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we.

Numbers 13:32 - And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.

Numbers 13:33 - And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Numbers 14:1 - And all the congregation lifted up their voice, and cried; and the people wept that night.

Numbers 14:2 - And all the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron: and the whole congregation said unto them, Would Elohim that we had died in the land of Egypt! or would Elohim we had died in this wilderness!

Numbers 14:3 - And wherefore hath YAHWEH brought us unto this land, to fall by the sword, that our wives and our children should be a prey? were it not better for us to return into Egypt?

Numbers 14:4 - And they said one to another, Let us make a captain, and let us return into Egypt.

Numbers 14:5 - Then Moses and Aaron fell on their faces before all the assembly of the congregation of the children of Israel.

Now after this, the Israelites tried to stone Moshe. Moshe's (Moses') made a supplication and prayer to Yahweh to pardon the sins of this people rather than totally consume them.

Moshe too was tested by this

Yahweh wanted to destroy Israel and make a great nation of Moshe

But Moshe had the right attitude and was an intercessor for Israel

Despite the unfaithful and rebellious attitude of Israel

Numbers 14:27 - How long shall I bear with this evil congregation, which murmur against me? I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel, which they murmur against me.

Numbers 14:28 - Say unto them, As truly as I live, saith YAHWEH, as ye have spoken in mine ears, so will I do to you:

Numbers 14:29 - Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me,

Brothers and sisters, do we realize the magnitude of this example??!!

It was for the reason of complaining and lack of faith that Yahweh was going to totally destroy Israel and it was for the reason of murmuring, grumbling, and complaining that Yahweh did NOT allow the children of Israel to enter the promised land!!

Does Yahweh change in this day and age?

Yahweh had a plan for Israel

He also has a plan for us!

Should we complain about how we are led?

He certainly feels the same way about it now as He did then and lest we repent each time we find ourselves complaining about our circumstances, WE TOO could be rejected by Yahweh from entering His kingdom

It all goes back to attitude

Is the way hard? Yes, many times the children of Israel were without water

The children of Israel, in response to the salvation that Yahweh offered...complained

Beware lest we follow their example and complain about our own circumstances, for Yahweh kept them from the promised land as a result!

I believe whatever situation you are in, it is ordained by Yahweh!

Philippians 2:12 - Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Philippians 2:13 - For it is YAHWEH which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Philippians 2:14 - Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

"all things"

Philippians 2:15 - That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of YAHWEH, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

Philippians 2:16 - Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of the Messiah, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.

Will our journey to the promised land come to end in the following fashion....

Numbers 11:1 - And when the people complained, it displeased YAHWEH: and YAHWEH heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of YAHWEH burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.

Numbers 14:22 - Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;

Numbers 14:23 - Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:

Or will we learn from their example?

1Corinthians 10:8 - Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

1Corinthians 10:9 - Neither let us tempt the Messiah, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

1Corinthians 10:10 - Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

1Corinthians 10:11 - Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

1Corinthians 10:12 - Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

and again:

Psalms 106:21 - They forgat El their saviour, which had done great things in Egypt;

Psalms 106:22 - Wondrous works in the land of Ham, and terrible things by the Red sea.

Psalms 106:23 - Therefore he said that he would destroy them, had not Moses his chosen stood before him in the breach, to turn away his wrath, lest he should destroy them.

Psalms 106:24 - Yea, they despised the pleasant land, they believed not his word:

Psalms 106:25 - But murmured in their tents, and hearkened not unto the voice of YAHWEH.

Psalms 106:26 - Therefore he lifted up his hand against them, to overthrow them in the wilderness:

We surely should not be among the Complainers, Grumblers, Murmurers against Yahweh

It is particularly wicked to complain about Yahweh's chastening

Lamentations 3:37 - Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when YAHWEH commandeth it not?

Lamentations 3:38 - Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

Lamentations 3:39 - Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?

Lamentations 3:40 - Let us search and try our ways, and turn again to YAHWEH.

Surely, we must not complain..but search and try our ways to see if they are righteous. And then repent and turn again to Yahweh! This is the proper attitude toward our circumstances.

A tender heart Yahweh will hear.

Many are the examples of men upon whom destruction was planned against, but when they changed their attitude and softened their heart and humbled themselves before Yahweh, Yahweh would have mercy upon them.

So this is an example of having a poor attitude. Yahweh's people must not murmur or complain about their circumstances.

You will not find one example of Yahshua the Messiah complaining or murmuring, even though He was tortured, hung and killed by those He came to save

Therefore, it is not so much what happens to us that matters, it is how we respond to our circumstances that matters!

Now what should be our attitude toward what Yahshua did for us?

Many teach today that we need not have an attitude of obedience to Yahweh's law as a response.

Instead, millions are taught that "we only need faith, we need not keep the law because Yahshua already kept all that for us, He fulfilled it".

Is this the attitude that Yahweh desires of His people?

Romans 3:31 - Do we then make void the law through faith? By no means! Yea, we establish the law.

In this scripture, it says that we do not make "void" the law through faith.

Let's examine a lexicon to get a greater understanding of this word.

12BDB/Thayers # 2673 2673 katargeo {kat-arg-eh'-o} from 2596 and 691; TDNT - :452,76; AV - destroy 5, do away 3, abolish 3, cumber 1, loose 1, cease 1, fall 1, deliver 1, misc 11; 27

1) to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative 1a) to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency 1b) to deprive of force, influence, power

2) to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish 2a) to cease, to pass away, be done away

2b) to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one 2c) to terminate all intercourse with one

Romans 3:31 - Do we then make void the law through faith? By no means! Yea, we establish the law.

Today, we are told just the opposite

We are told that the law is "abolished, done away with, ceased, rendered idle, inactive, inoperative" and we are "severed from, seperated from, discharged from, loosed from" the law of Yahweh.

This is in direct opposition to this scripture

While it is true in one sense that we are not held to keeping the law perfectly (for in Yahshua, we are redeemed and made perfect) it is false in another sense to say that the law itself is now "abolished, done away with, ceased, rendered idle, inactive, inoperative" as a standard of righteousness.

Faith does not do anything of this sort to the law

What does faith do? It establishes the law!

That's what Romans 3:31 just said

This is the proper attitude brethren!

What does it mean to establish the law via faith?

Let's look at a lexicon for the word translated "establish":

12BDB/Thayers # 2476 2476 histemi {his'-tay-mee} a prolonged form of a primary stao {stah'-o} (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses); TDNT - 7:638,1082; v AV - stand 116, set 11, establish 5, stand still 4, stand by 3, misc 17, vr stand 2; 158

121) to cause or make to stand, to place, put, set

There is more to this definition but it is very long

We "cause the law to stand"! By our WORKING Faith, we cause the law to stand, not FALL or go into oblivion!

This should be the proper attitude toward what Yahshua did for us

Our attitude and our heart should be one of obedience toward Yahweh's commandments, not the common saying, "Well, I don't believe I'm going to lose my salvation over it".

This is the common response from many who don't have the right attitude

Many say this in response to a conviction about using the true names, keeping the Sabbath or many other things that we share with them.. "Well, I don't believe I'm going to lose my salvation over it"

But this is NOT the right attitude!! The children of Israel perhaps thought many times "Well Yahweh is still going to take us into the promised land".

But He rejected them for their attitude and for transgressing His law.

Sin is still defined as transgressing Yahweh's law

1John 3:4 - Whoever commits sin trangresses also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.

The children of Israel wanted to go back to SIN (Egypt)

And complained about following Yahweh and His commandments

Therefore they led their rebellion to go back into transgression (Sin)

This is exactly what is being taught today

It is taught that once a person is saved, they can go back to Egypt!!

Can we begin to see how important attitude is?

What should be our response to a conviction?

An attitude of obedience is at the very heart of salvation

Yahweh says "Choose you this day life or death, blessing or cursing" therefore, our attitude should not be "I'm not going to lose my salvation over this issue" but "I love Yahweh and I want to do what is pleasing unto HIM!!"

For unless you walk in the truth that Yahweh gives you, you are not walking in the path of salvation!

Here are some scriptural examples of a poor attitude toward truth:

Isaiah 59:4 - None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

Jeremiah 9:5 - And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.

2Thessalonians 2:10 - And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

1Timothy 6:5 - Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is righteousness: from such withdraw thyself.

2Timothy 3:8 - Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

Beware lest you also withstand Moshe!

For through Moshe, Yahweh gave commandments that even Yahushua the Messiah had to obey.

Yahshua the Messiah is our perfect example. What was His attitude toward truth?

He prayed concerning us:

John 17:17 - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

His word IS truth. Paul wrote Timothy saying that reprobate mean resist the truth/word.

This is what our attitude needs to be, that His word is truth

We know that Yahshua is also the word, are we not to follow His example?

What was His example concerning obedience toward the law of Yahweh? Let's examine

Matthew 5:17 - Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matthew 5:18 - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Matthew 5:19 - Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Do we wish to become great in His kingdom, or among the least?

Truly, I have had some in Christianity say to me " I'll settle for being among the least in the kingdom"

And one a while back said to me "I won't do them nor teach men to not do them"

In other words, he wasn't going to teach anyone to do them

But this was the desire of Yahshua in verse 19, that we do them AND teach them.

So is "I won't do them and I won't teach others that they shouldn't do them" the attitude that Yahweh desires??

What is the proper attitude toward the commandments of Yahweh?

1John 2:4 - He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

The truth is not in him because Yahweh's word is truth

And the commandments of Yahweh are HIS commandments...His word

So if the truth is not in him, then neither is the Word

and thus.. neither is Yahushua!

1John 2:5 - But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of YAHWEH is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.

The love of Yahweh is perfected in those who keep His commandments/His word

Yahushua will keep the commandments in us..that He kept while on earth

His word and every commandment in the law teaches us how to love Yahweh and love one another

We have a great example brethren

so

1John 2:6 - He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Let's walk as He walked. He had the right attitude toward Yahweh's law

He had the right attitude toward unfair situations

He had the right attitude toward Yahweh in all things.

Matthew 5:48 - Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

This should be our desire and our attitude, to be perfect

The mainstream teachers of today will despise you and call you a legalist for trying to be perfect before Yahweh.

But this is the right attitude according to Yahweh's word.

Yahshua was perfect and we are commanded to walk as He walked. It

It is the spirit of satan that tries to make us feel guilty for trying to keep Yahweh's word, do not heed it!!

Jeremiah 6:9 - Thus saith YAHWEH of hosts, They shall throughly glean the remnant of Israel as a vine: turn back thine hand as a grapegatherer into the baskets.

Jeremiah 6:10 - To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: behold, the word of YAHWEH is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it.

Those who will not hear have no delight in the Word, but one of the right attitude believes these words:

Psalms 1:1 - Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the wicked, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

Psalms 1:2 - But his delight is in the law of YAHWEH; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

Psalms 1:3 - And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

The tree by the waters are well fed by the living water

Even so, a man who meditates on Yahweh's law day and night is well fed

and will bring forth fruit, and his leaf will not wither

Psalms 1:4 - The wicked are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

Psalms 1:5 - Therefore the wicked shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

There is a judgement coming

Psalms 1:6 - For YAHWEH knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the wicked shall perish.

Truly, today the waters are indeed muddy because men teach that we need not heed the commandments of Yahweh.

The line seperating the righteous and wicked, satan has muddied.

But one day, Yahweh will make the difference manifest:

Malachi 3:16 - Then they that feared YAHWEH spake often one to another: and YAHWEH hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared YAHWEH, and that thought upon his name.

Those who think upon His name and have fellowship with one another have a special book written for them

For Yahweh listened and heard

Malachi 3:17 - And they shall be mine, saith YAHWEH of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

Through the muddy waters, Yahweh has fed us pure water..bringing us truth and life

And in the time of tribulation those who practice this shall be spared

Malachi 3:18 - Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth Elohim and him that serveth him not.

THEN the difference between righteousness and wickedness will be discerned

For righteous judgement will come upon the earth

Malachi 4:1 - For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith YAHWEH of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Malachi 4:2 - But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

Malachi 4:3 - And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith YAHWEH of hosts.

Malachi 4:4 - Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

I believe that Yahweh knew this would be placed in what is today called the last book of the Old Testament

And I see this verse 4 as a final warning

To remember the law of Moshe given by Yahweh

So in all things, remember the law of Yahweh.

And let us also remember to trust in the mercy of Yahweh for when we fail.

But let us not fail anymore!

That's the right attitude. If we have the right attitude, we do have an advocate with the Father

Therefore, let our heart be tender before Yahweh

Let our heart be humble before Yahweh.

And in all things, let our attitude be right before Yahweh

May Yahweh bless you all!!

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Jay_Emm - \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ HalleluYah, Praise Yahweh !!! \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/
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LAWKEEPERS - \o/ all the day long
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Miles_of_Pa - Praise YHWH!!!
WAYne - Praise YHWH in The Name Of Yahshua Messiah \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ Praise YHWH \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/
BrTerry - PRAISE YAHWEH \o/\o/\o/
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Berean - \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/PRAISE YAHWEH \o/\o/\o/
Berean - !rm
BrTerry - \o/ \o/ \o/
BrBill - HalleluYah!
wrblest - halleluyah
chaqar - HalleluYah!
LAWKEEPERS - THANK YOU FOR REMINDING US OF OUR ATTUIDES
BrBob - Wow! Watchman has a new tallent!!!
EliYah - HalleluYAH!
Berean - \o/
anav - HalleluYAH!
LAWKEEPERS - \o/ all the day long!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jozef_lyd - HALLELUYAH!!!!!!!PRAISE OUR FATHER ,
BrTerry - HalleluYah \o/ \o/
EliYah - Are there any questions or added comments?
COL - HalleluYAH
BrTom - Attitude isn't the most important thing. Its the ONLY THING.
wrblest - EliYah, do you think it's wrong to ask tha our circumstances be changed or that YHWH intervenes?
LAWKEEPERS - this also can be said of fence sitters!
EliYah - It is good to trust in Yahweh for deliverance from trouble
WAYne - ..Abundent Peace belongs to those loving Your Law,...psa 119 165
BrBob - Shalom BrTom !
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EliYah - It is bad to complain though
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BrTom - Shalom Br Bob
EliYah - It has do with... "Attitude" :)
claudia2 - ((((((((((((((( : ) ))))))))))))))))))))
Berean - whose will do we ultimately want to be done in our lives?
jozef_lyd - What if Fornication? Does it include voyerism ? in front of t.v. or magazines and movies?
BrTom - Yahweh wants his children to talk with him about all their problems.
wrblest - OK trust Him while in the situation but still pray for deliverance?
Bro_Jason - An attitude of Gradatude- sounds good to me
BrTom - Yep
wrblest - : )
EliYah - Yes, wrblest
BrBob - Shalom Miles_of_Pa !
BrBob - Shalom JamesTrimm !
Berean - !rm
Miles_of_Pa - Shalom BrBob, I am here!
JamesTrimm - shalom
BrBob - I knew that bro
Angel - Moses prayed to Yahweh when He was going to destroy the israelites and Yahweh changed His mind about destroying them
BrBob - Hi james
EliYah - jozef, are you asking what is fornication?
BrTom - Shalom Br James Trimm
Bro_Jason - Shalom Angel
Jay_Emm - !rs
WAYne - +1pet 2 20
EliYah - Yahweh wants us to endure our trials, love Him and trust in Him all the way through them and to be thankful for all things
jozef_lyd - Yes, is fornication also living with somebody as in a marriage?
EliYah - Fornication is relations between 2 unmarried people
EliYah - and I'm sure it is possible to commit fornication in one's heart also
BrBob - Yes, as I see it also
BrBob - I think some of that subject has to do with the attitude thing BrTom mentioned
EliYah - Job 31:1 - I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a maid?
EliYah - Job 31:2 - For what portion of Eloah is there from above? and what inheritance of the Almighty from on high?
JamesTrimm - so three unmarried people is ok? serioulsy perhaps you should say "two or more..."
EliYah - Job 31:3 - Is not destruction to the wicked? and a strange punishment to the workers of iniquity?
wrblest - the love in these services is felt strongly.
EliYah - I meant 2 people who aren't married to one another
BrBob - OK, I'll say that
EliYah - :)
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Angel - what about spiritual fornication, we cannot dismiss that one
brjim - Revelations 14:12 - Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of YAHWEH and the faith of Yahushua.
BrBob - That is idolitry
wrblest - Yah blesses me and I'm sure many others through it
BrTom - Now a days you can't think of anything they haven't done. Pyhsically or spiritually.
WAYne - +job 42 12
wrblest - ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((BrBob)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
BrBob - Nothing new under the sun......
Angel - I have been shown in the Spirit that going to other churches is fornication
anav - i think so
BrTom - Dr Trimm - a question waits you.
wrblest - if they don't serve YHWh
JamesTrimm - BrTom... shoot
BrTom - I did
Angel - churches were His Name is not used we should not go as that is fornication of the Spirit
brjim - witness
wrblest - TRUE aNGEL
anav - unless you are going to the churches of the heathen to try and share the good news of Yahweh with them
WAYne - +rom 5 3 4
jozef_lyd - What if you go only for weddings or funerals not so much for the service or what they believe?
Rezz - + 1Joh 3 4
Miles_of_Pa - Yes Anav, if they are not against Yahweh, and the Truth, they are for Him.
Angel - but they usually hold their weddings of the Sabbath!
anav - yeah, should we attend the weddings of the heathen?
brjim - sometimes he direct us to others to bring his people out
BrBob - King Dawid was a fornicator.....YHWH must have overlooked some of that somehow...I don't understand really.
anav - right Miles
Angel - we can notice that they never marry anyone on Sunday only on Sabbath
jozef_lyd - What if it is your unbelieving daughter or sister?
JamesTrimm - How about if we are invited to come speak to a Christian Church?
anav - Yes, Yeshua went into the synogogues to attempt to get them to repent of their bad ways
BrBob - +2sam 5 13
BrBob - hmmmm, someone splain that one
Angel - if we go to witness, it might be okay in the sight of Yahweh, but if we keep on going back and the people don't change, we should get out
anav - He said that Sodom and Gomorrah were looking good compared to them!
wrblest - I think we can go to weddings and funerals of loved ones
anav - i agree Angel
wrblest - me too
anav - heathen loved ones, or righteous loved ones, or both
WAYne - +mat 10 15
anav - ?
brjim - family payed for king davids forn=
wrblest - both
BrBob - +2sam 20 3
anav - ok
Angel - I went to a wedding at one time, very late in the afternoon and it was my nephew and Yahweh got angry with me and told me to keep the Sabbath Holy!
BrBob - I don't think my wife would stand for that
wrblest - hmmm woww
JamesTrimm - Weddings and Funerals should not be done on Sabbath
wrblest - stand for what?
BrBob - No, I agree
brjim - why not weddings jt
BrBob - Me having concubines and multiple wives
BrTom - I agree
Jay_Emm - Yahshua the Messiah will marry His bride the assembly at the symbolic 7th day Millenium.
wrblest - oh I can't say I'd blame her
BrBob - Hey, I couldn't handle it either
BrBob - hehe
wrblest - : )
Angel - He was so angry that we had gone to my nephew's wedding that He wrote me all in red!
claudia2 - Bob: multiple spouses is against the law of this land......
anav - :o)
Yahnigh - brothers and sisters, I am appealing to those who may wish to discuss the possibility of a messianic network for the purpose of gathering resourses and member interaction. we are a remote assembly in Miami. and we hopefully await correspondence and advice. menorah5@aol.com /YahnighMenorah1@aol.com
anav - yes, you must move to another country to be "legal"
BrBob - Vernon Howell was doing it in Waco./
jozef_lyd - Angel. ?
JamesTrimm - Well when it works out that way... last year my wife had a Sader with her family while attended a congregational Sader. I expect a repeat of that this year
JamesTrimm - oops.
Miles_of_Pa - Yahnigh, do you know Moshe?
EliYah - It seems that one man and one wife is Yahweh's ultimate will
Yahnigh - who's that Miles?
BrBob - It only seems right.
wrblest - I agerr EliYah
Miles_of_Pa - Moshe Koniukowski, he heads up a great congregation in Miami.
shoshana1 - +Genesis 2:23-24
BrTom - May I write you Yahnigh?
Angel - what jozef_lyd what is it?
BrBob - +1chron 3 9
jozef_lyd - I have a question, I have a jewelleryshop, they try to break in on the Shabbat, to have left it unattended would surely have ended up in looting. I don't feel quilty of having gone to the shop to open up for the repairman and clean up.
wrblest - How did He write you in red
Yahnigh - can you forward him my appeal?/ PLEASE BrTom
BrBob - David messed around a lot.
anav - so do you all think we can attend the weddings of Christians, etc?
BrBob - He will be king over the 12 tribes
EliYah - Yahnigh, do you know Alex and Eddie?
Angel - that is an emergency!
BrBob - Yahweh must forgive more than we might think
claudia2 - Bob: explain Abraham ?
jozef_lyd - Yes that is the way I saw it too Angel
BrTom - jozef_lyd you are right. You can 'break' Sabbath to avoid loss or stop suffering.
wrblest - oh
BrBob - Splain what claudia?
claudia2 - and Jacob Israel?
BrBob - Yes, they all had more than one......
jozef_lyd - We were tempted to think WHY US ? but now we think something good will come out of this
MoedimMan - Can anybody share with me about Torah observant groups in the Dallas area?
BrBob - Solomon had a great many....example of his dad
claudia2 - Bob....you were asking about multiple spouses: Abraham had a liason with Sarahs handmaid...and has a child.
Yahnigh - no Eliyah
JamesTrimm - I am in the Dallas area
Angel - Yahweh looks at the situation. Unconverted people and family have to learn that we don't break the Sabbath, the same as they don't marry on Sunday.
EliYah - They are both in Miami and both frequent this room
BrTom - You have a choice in Dallas
BrBob - MoedimMan.........That would be me....
JamesTrimm - I would recomend you email esandquist@nazarene.net about Dallas
MoedimMan - I went to Nazarene.net and was disappointed to hear that you were no longer meeting there
JamesTrimm - the only Torah observant group rejects the name
BrBob - Congregation of YHWH http://www.yahsaves.com
Yahnigh - R they in Miami? GREAT? know their Email?
EliYah - yes
BrBob - Congregation of YHWH http://www.yahsaves.org
EliYah - Alex's email is ALEX881@aol.com
EliYah - Not sure what the other's is
JamesTrimm - all of the Torah Observant people seem wrapped up in the anti-name group and all of the other name people seem disinterested in Jewish roots out here
anav - I guess they wouldn't be Torah observant then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
EliYah - but Alex is here almost every night
Yahnigh - thanks alot
Michele - BrBob.. I missed the justification of more then one wife for Solomon, David, etc. Can you elaborate on why YAh allowed that?
wrblest - he's coming up for the feast isn't he EliYah?
EliYah - Yes, wrblest
BrBob - No I can't, because I don't know
BrBob - hehe
Berean - +1thess 5 18
Rezz - PAul flim-flams on marriage
JamesTrimm - lately we have been hgetting lots of questions about Dallas meetings maybe we will try again
wrblest - he and I talked during the day wednesday
MoedimMan - I am learning to become Torah observant and to appreciate the fact that Yahweh wants us to know Him personally......by His name
shoshana - I must disagree,Paul doe not flim flam on marriage he is very clear
WAYne - +joh 8 39
Michele - So was the multiple marriage "sin" on their part?
WAYne - +gen 26 5
shoshana - +Romans 7:1-2
anav - right MoedimMan, it is not "optional" to call upon His name, neither is it "optional" to cease from labor on Sabbath, etc.
shoshana - +I Cor 7:39
anav - but we always have the "option" of life or death

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