Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 02/25/00


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BrTom - Father we ask you to be present in this gathering.
BrTom - Send your spirit to guide and teach us.
BrTom - We ask a special bl;essing on those who are here, may each one be enlightened.
BrTom - We commit this time into your hands and thank you for it in Yahshua's name.
BrTom - HalleluYAH ! ! !
BrTom - Sorry, we had a little mixup on the prayer.

EliYah's message:

HalleluYah!

Tonite I would like to talk about the "Fear of Yahweh."

Scripture plainly teaches that one must fear Yahweh.

Fearing Yahweh is a requirement.

Deuteronomy 10:12 - And now, Israel, what doth YAHWEH thy Elohim require of thee, but to fear YAHWEH thy Elohim, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve YAHWEH thy Elohim with all thy heart and with all thy soul,

Fearing Yahweh means not fearing man

Deuteronomy 13:1 - If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder

Deuteronomy 13:2 - And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other elohim, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

Deuteronomy 13:3 - Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for YAHWEH your Elohim proveth you, to know whether ye love YAHWEH your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul.

Deuteronomy 13:4 - Ye shall walk after YAHWEH your Elohim, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

When we fear Yahweh, will want to love Him and depart from pride and evil:

Proverbs 3:7 - Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear YAHWEH, and depart from evil

Fearing Yahweh and deciding to keep His commandments is important

Ecclesiastes 12:13 - Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear Elohim, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man

SOme say this is no longer the duty of man

But we should know better

Fearing Yahweh is a key part of the true glad tidings:

Revelations 14:6 - Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting evangel to preach to those who dwell on the earth--to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people--

Revelation 14:7 - saying with a loud voice, "Fear YAHWEH and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water."

When we fear Yahweh, we are taught His ways because we repent and walk in the truth:

Psalms 25:12 - What man is he that feareth YAHWEH? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose

And we are pitied as a Father pities His children:

Psalms 103:13 - Like as a father pitieth his children, so YAHWEH pitieth them that fear him.

Yahweh takes pleasure in those that fear Him and hope in His mercy.

Psalms 147:11 - YAHWEH taketh pleasure in them that fear him, in those that hope in his mercy

I believe that this is a key scripture in understanding

Those who fear Yahweh will give thought to hoping in His mercy

It is truth that Yahweh's mercy is upon those that fear Him:

Luke 1:49 - For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

Luke 1:50 - And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation

Yahweh's people fear Him

Malachi 3:16 - Then they that feared YAHWEH spake often one to another: and YAHWEH hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared YAHWEH, and that thought upon his name

Malachi 3:17 - And they shall be mine, saith YAHWEH of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

Malachi 3:18 - Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth Elohim and him that serveth him not.

So indeed, this is a key difference between one who serves Yahweh and one who does not serve Him!

Malachi 4:1 - For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith YAHWEH of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Malachi 4:2 - But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

Malachi 4:3 - And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith YAHWEH of hosts.

Malachi 4:4 - Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

HalleluYah! In that day it shall be known who fears Yahweh and keeps His commandments.

In that day it shall be known who serves Yahweh and who does not serve Him

Satan has muddied the waters, confused right and wrong, and decieved millions into thinking that Yahweh loves, therefore he won't judge the sinners

But the same Elohim who loves all mankind is coming back to judge those who do not fear Him and keep His commandments! His commandments show us how to love Him!

Yahushua came as a Lamb but will return as a LION

There are some scriptures, which may appear on the surface to be saying we need not fear Yahweh. Let's examine them

2Timothy 1:3 - I thank YAHWEH, whom I serve from my forefathers with pure conscience, that without ceasing I have remembrance of thee in my prayers night and day;

2Timothy 1:3 - I thank YAHWEH, whom I serve from my forefathers with pure conscience, that without ceasing I have remembrance of thee in my prayers night and day;

2Timothy 1:4 - Greatly desiring to see thee, being mindful of thy tears, that I may be filled with joy;

2Timothy 1:5 - When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.

Paul is writing to Timothy here

2Timothy 1:6 - Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of YAHWEH, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.

2Timothy 1:7 - For YAHWEH hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

The next verse makes it very clear that what is at issue here is not the fear of Yahweh, but the fear of man!

2Timothy 1:8 - Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Master, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the evangel according to the power of YAHWEH;

We shouldn't be ashamed of the testimony of Yahshua the Messiah. This is derived from the fear of man.

Let's examine another scripture:

Hebrews 2:11 - For both He who sets apart and those who are being set apart are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren,

Hebrews 2:12 - saying: "I will declare Your name to My brethren; in the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You."

Hebrews 2:13 - And again: "I will put My trust in Him." And again: "Here am I and the children whom YAHWEH has given Me."

Hebrews 2:14 - Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,

Hebrews 2:15 - and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage

This type of fear is speaking of a fear of death

If we are walking as Yahshua walked and we truly believe that Yahshua is the Messiah, should we have any reason to fear death?

Those who have a fear of death are subject to bondage according to this scripture.In Yahshua we have life, not death.

Romans 8:12 - Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh

Romans 8:13 - For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Romans 8:14 - For as many as are led by the Spirit of YAHWEH, they are the sons of YAHWEH.

Romans 8:15 - For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

If we are in Yahshua and walking as He walked, we have no reason to fear death and eternal damnation because we are adopted children of Yahweh!

4If we are in Yahshua and walking as He walked, we have no reason to fear death and eternal damnation because we are adopted children of Yahweh!

Now let's examine one more area of scripture:

1John 4:12 - No one has seen YAHWEH at any time. If we love one another, YAHWEH abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.

1John 4:12 - No one has seen YAHWEH at any time. If we love one another, YAHWEH abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.

1John 4:13 - By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.

1John 4:14 - And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world

1John 4:15 - Whoever confesses that Yahushua is the Son of YAHWEH, YAHWEH abides in him, and he in YAHWEH

1John 4:16 - And we have known and believed the love that YAHWEH has for us. YAHWEH is love, and he who abides in love abides in YAHWEH, and YAHWEH in him.

1John 4:17 - Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.

"as He is, so are we in this world."

If this be the case, then we have no reason to fear damnation in the day of judgement!

If we love Yahweh, we will have no reason to fear His torment:

1John 4:18 - There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.

1John 4:18 - There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.

How do we reconcile this scripture with the others that tell us to fear Yahweh?

Firstly, one is talking about fearing Yahweh..the other about fearing torment and damnation

There is no fear in love. Now here is the key question. How do we love Yahweh?

Deuteronomy 7:9 - Know therefore that YAHWEH thy Elohim, he is Elohim, the faithful El, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations

John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments

Perfect love casts out fear. If we love Him perfectly and are keeping His commandments then we can expect His mercy on the day of judgement!

This is written in the following scriptures

1John 4:19 - We love Him because He first loved us

1John 4:20 - If someone says, "I love YAHWEH," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love YAHWEH whom he has not seen?

Surely there is a qualifier to someone who claims to love Yahweh!!

Not all who claim to love Him actually do

Therefore they SHOULD fear

If we are without sin, we have perfected love toward Yahweh

continuing..

1John 5:1 - Whoever believes that Yahushua is the Messiah is born of YAHWEH, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him

1John 5:2 - By this we know that we love the children of YAHWEH, when we love YAHWEH and keep His commandments

1John 5:3 - For this is the love of YAHWEH, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome

HalleluYah! This is the key brethren, love Yahweh, keep His commandments and we will have no reason to fear death and eternal damnation!

The problem today is, people don't have any fear of Yahweh when they have sinned

Rather, when they sin..they care not because they think they have perfected love and have no reason to fear

But we must fear Yahweh and keep His commandments .. else we really don't love Him

This is what is lacking today brethren!! Fear of Yahweh!

If a person truly fears Yahweh, then they would be careful about doing anything to offend Him.

Would one who fears Yahweh say: "I know this is wrong, but He has mercy on me and so He doesn't mind if I (insert falsehood/sin here)?"

This is not love and this is not fear of Yahweh

Indeed, it is out of a lack of fear toward Yahweh and a gigantic fear toward man that causes millions to not accept any doctrine that is scriptural and not mainstream!

Yahshua said we aren't to fear man, but fear Yahweh!

Matthew 10:27 - What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

Matthew 10:28 - And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell

Isaiah 66:5 - Hear the word of YAHWEH, ye that tremble at his word; your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let YAHWEH be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed

How many tremble at His word today?

Rather, we hear the boasting of men..that they do not care that they have sinned because they believe it is all 'under the blood' and they boast that they are 'saved' and that Yahweh doesn't care if we do this or that

Yahshua taught that He who endures to the end will be saved.

Yahshua taught that He who endures to the end will be saved.

Matthew 10:22 - And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

And we know not the future, what it will hold and if we will stand!

1Corinthians 10:12 - Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

1Corinthians 10:12 - Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

But Yahweh will look upon the poor and contrite ones who tremble at His word when it convicts them of their sins

Indeed if we have no sin, we need not tremble..but if we have sin..fear Yahweh and repent for your sin was not of love!!

We must love..and sin no more.

1John 3:4 - Whoever commits sin trangresses also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.

May Yahweh bless you all! :)

End


jozef_lyd - \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ ~~~~~HALLELU-YAH ~~~~~ \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/, Praise YAHWEH for Yahushua (his word), our Messiah (his word) is my lord.
TheWAYne - .....HalleluYAH.....\o/.....in The Name of YaHshua Messiah.....\o/.....HalleluYAH.....
Jay_Emm - \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ HalleluYah, Praise Yahweh !!! \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/
BroM - \o/\o/\o/
gladd - HalleluYah
LAWKEEPERS - \0\ \0/
Berean - \O/\0/\o/\o/\o/\o/ Praise YAHWEH!!
COL - Praise YHVH! For His mercy endures forever!
BrTom - HalleluYAH ! ! !
cbishere - Baruch HaShem....and thank you ElYah for that message???
Disciple1 - \o/\o/
EliYah142 - \0/\0/\0/\0./\0/
LAWKEEPERS - THANK YOU YAH
Corey - Praise Yah!
anav - ¯`'·.¸( ¯`'·.¸ \0/\0/\0/\0/ HalleluYah! Thank you for that wonderful message EliYah \0/\0/\0/\0/ ¸. ·'´¯) ¸. ·'´¯)
Pa_Jay - HalleluYah
EliYah - Are there any comments or added comments?
EliYah - .
jozef_lyd - I thought it interesting to note that Paul laid ,HANDS' on Timothy, How do we view the 'today's
anav - +gen 20 11
LAWKEEPERS - PRAY THAT WE WILL STILL FEAR YAH WHEN WE SIN!
jozef_lyd - '' laying on of hands?
TheWAYne - ,13,13,13,13.....\o/.....,10,2,11,12,11,10
EliYah - Laying on of hands accompanies baptism
oscar - Gracias EliYah
BroM - Wonderful Message Bro. EliYah
Miles_of_Pa - Thank you EliYah
EliYah - Praise Yahweh
BrBob - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
Jay_Emm - \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/ HalleluYah, Praise Yahweh !!! \o/\o/\o/\o/\o/
jozef_lyd - no further laying on of hands, after? What about laying hands on the sick?
anav - ¯`'·.¸( ¯`'·.¸ \0/\0/\0/\0/ HalleluYah \0/\0/\0/\0/ ¸. ·'´¯) ¸. ·'´¯)
EliYah - Then too
jozef_lyd - HalleluYah.
jozef_lyd - Thank you
anav - \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/ \o/ \õ/
BroM - HalleluYah indeed!
BrTom - We also lay hands on at annointing the sick, blessing children, ordaining a person for special duties.
LAWKEEPERS - remember those who chose not to be here tonight
anav - I believe we can lay hands on the sick, and hope it is in Yahweh's will they recover, if not, they will die, His will be done
wrblest - do youu make a daily devotional or know anyone who does
gladd - Shabbat Shalom!!!
EliYah - we do
jozef_lyd - If we are seperated by the gulf of continents, would you think it silly to be 'holding hands' via our contection of the computer???
EliYah - just read the scriptures :)
wrblest - is it in your home page?
BrTom - I laid hands on some of my children when I blessed them at their marriages.
EliYah - It's not quite the same, jozef_lyd I don't think
wrblest - I do
BroM - :)
jozef_lyd - I think it is the custom to do this on shabbos, is it not?
EliYah - BrTom, can you send wrblest the list of scripture readings?
LAWKEEPERS - it is what is in your heart that counts!!!!!!!!
BroJaan - Hi
BrTom - Bless children on Sabbath, Yes a very valuable custom.
BrBill - Shalom BroJaan
anav - Shabbat Shalom BroJaan :o)
BrTom - Sure, Eliyah.
BroM - What is in your heart better be inline with what is in the Scriptures!
BroJaan - Shalom BroBill!
BroJaan - Shalom Sister Violet
wrblest - thanks. I can share them with Mike too
BrTom - wrblest can you access the web?
anav - if your heart is right, it will be
EliYah142 - Is Pa_Jay the Jay Family from Pennsylvania?
Pa_Jay - No
BroJaan - Are the Jay's here?
wrblest - yes Bt Tom
EliYah142 - Thank you..
BrTom - Pa_Jay smiles again.
jozef_lyd - I have a little query ( maybe also silly) how is 'davening' seen today?
BroJaan - Hi Jay Family!
BrBill - No the Jays are not here.
Pa_Jay - well yes , But Jay is the first name
BrBill - Not the Jays you are thinking of.
EliYah142 - Shalom Miles&Dina
jozef_lyd - I know that in some congregations people lift up their hands, and daven on their tiptoe's
EliYah - daven?
BroJaan - How are you doing?
jozef_lyd - while orthodox jews move (rock) while praying.
BrTom - Reading list to read the bioble in chronological order is at
BrTom - http://members.aol.com/user723492/ReadBible.htm
BroJaan - Its not necessary
EliYah - I know of no precept in scripture telling us to do that
BroJaan - These are outward appearences
jozef_lyd - It might help to concentrate, it also looks stranges for onlookers.
Miles_of_Pa - EliYah142?
EliYah142 - It's Pam
BrTom - got it, wrblest?
jozef_lyd - You must have seen the ' Baptist stance'?
BrBill - Lifting up of hands but not daven on tiptoe.
BrTom - that was a glad sound
jozef_lyd - idiosincratic behaveour?
BroJaan - I know people praying standing up, others pray on their knees, some with hands open, others with hands closed
BroM - What is daven?
claudia - ...
BroJaan - It doesn't really matter
jozef_lyd - Some bow their heads, close their eyes, etc.
wrblest - we were just looking for a devotional reading
BrBill - !search lift up holy hands
BrTom - Sorry.
EliYah - There are many scriptural examples of various bodily positions while in prayer
wrblest - We have the daily gread but it doesn't always correlate to the Word
BrBill - +psalm 28 2
jozef_lyd - daven, means the rocking from back and forewards al the time, as you see the Hassidim do at the whailing wall
EliYah - http://www.eliyah.com/transcripts/102999.html <-- study on prayer
wrblest - I got your address though. I'll check it out
BrBill - +1tim 2 8
BroM - Ty jozef :)
claudia - josef...is it related to davidic dancing????
claudia - ;;
wrblest - thank you BrTom

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