Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 01/29/99


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BrBob - ================ PRAISE YAHWEH!! ================

braaf - yes

BrBob - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/

Berean - Our Father, we thank You for this day of rest, this day You have given us, to come closer to You,

Berean - to be refreshed, to step out of the world, and enter the day of Shalom, that You give for us

Berean - ThankYou Father, for the fellowship,

Berean - the teaching, and the edification, that You bring us together for

Berean - Father, we ask, that you guide our understanding, that you give us discernment,

Berean - we ask Father, that you write in our hearts, Your righteousness, Your Torah

Berean - and ask Father, that You teach us to be compassionate, forgiving, and merciful to each other, that we may come closer to You

Berean - Father, help us be forgiving, and reflective of your teaching, that we may be forgiven

Berean - and Thank You Father, for the mercy, correction, and compassion, that You show to us

Berean - We ask Father, that you bless this gatheriing, and bless our understanding

Berean - May Your will be done, above all else, we ask, in Yahshua's Name

Berean - HalleluYah!

EliYah's message:

HalleluYah!
Tonite I want to talk about a sin that is rampant yet silent.
This sin is in every place man is
But before I begin I want all to know that I also in some ways discover myself falling short of this sin at times.
This I say so that I would not appear as a hypocrite to Yahweh.
But I do want to share some things in His word about this silent sin.
This sin is silent because it is the sin itself that prevents men from admitting it.
It is the sin of Pride

Proverbs 30:32 - If thou hast done foolishly in lifting up thyself, or if thou hast thought evil, lay thine hand upon thy mouth.

Indeed, if we ever lifted ourselves up... then let us put our hand over our mouth

Proverbs 16:18 - Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

Pride is deceptive

Obadiah 1:3 - The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?

Obadiah 1:4 - Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith YHWH.

Proverbs 8:13 - The fear of YAHWEH is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Yahweh hates pride. Even a proud look is an abomination to Him

Proverbs 6:16 - These six things doth YAHWEH hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

Proverbs 6:17 - A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Proverbs 6:18 - An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

Proverbs 6:19 - A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

A proud look? Yes.
Even a proud look! Why?
I think that pride is one of the most harmful sins a person can do. It decieves us. Often we think we don't have it and later realize we do.
Pride though...can drive a man to do about anything.
It can drive a man to be wealthy... artistic..(as in music) powerful, famous.. and even religious.
Why does Yahweh hate pride so much?
Well, is there anything that we really have to be proud of ??
Think of it, Yahweh created the heavens and the earth and all that is within. Man has rebelled against his Creator from the beginning of time. Yes, from Eden all the way up to today...
Yahweh even sent His own Son to die for us.. And many are too proud to even accept Him!
We must be careful when we say...We do this and that.
It is Yahweh who gave us the breath of life. Remember Job?

Job 38:1 - Then YAHWEH answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

Job 38:2 - Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

Job 38:3 - Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

Job 38:4 - Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Yahweh spends the next 2 chapters declaring His worthiness and our inability to even come close to His might and power.

Isaiah 2:12 - For the day of YAHWEH of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

We can read all those scriptures in Proverbs.. about the fool.. and in how much bad shape the fool is in....

Proverbs 26:12 - Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

Even a fool has more hope!

Proverbs 3:34 - Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth favor unto the lowly.

Yahweh loves the humble and opposes the proud.

1Peter 5:5 - Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for "YAHWEH resists the proud, but gives favor to the humble."

With pride...there is no room for Yahweh.

Psalms 10:4 - The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after Elohim: Elohim is not in all his thoughts.

If we are great in our own eyes...Will Yahweh show us truth? Will we accept His ways?

James 4:13 - Come now, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we will go to such and such a city, spend a year there, buy and sell, and make a profit";

James 4:14 - whereas you do not know what will happen tomorrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away.

James 4:15 - Instead you ought to say, "If YAHWEH wills, we shall live and do this or that."

In all that we do, it must be for Yahweh.
Any other work is a wasted work
When singing a hymn or a song...it must be done for Yahweh, not for those who may be watching.
When writing a sermon or message...it must be for Yahweh, not because we want others to give us honor.
Let's look at David...When he fought the Goliath...was it with his own might that he boasted?

1Samuel 17:45 - Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of YAHWEH of hosts, the Elohim of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied.

He saw beyond the flesh. David was small in the eyes of the people.
Isn't that what Yahweh often does? He takes a small thing...and does mighty things with it so that His name will be honored!

Micah 6:8 - He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth YAHWEH require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy Elohim?

Isaiah 66:1 - Thus saith YAHWEH, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

Isaiah 66:2 - For all those things hath mine hand made, and those things have been, saith YAHWEH: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

Do we tremble at His word? Or search it...that we might find accusation against another?
Do we read His word seeking for things that might convict our heart?
Or things that we might use to show others that we are right?
It is good to seek the truth..and share with others... but I think it is better when it convicted us first.
Putting other people down is another thing from pride.
I've met many a person that part of their personality was putting others down.. so that they might appear better and wise.
They might even make false accusations against others.. so that they themselves appear righteous.
Gossip often comes from pride.
Pride causes arguments and strife in our homes.

Proverbs 28:25 - He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in YAHWEH shall be made fat.

1Timothy 6:3 - If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Master Yahushua the Messiah, and to the doctrine which is according to reverence;

1Timothy 6:4 - He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

1Timothy 6:5 - Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is righteousness: from such withdraw thyself.

It is often the root of rebellious children. It is quite elusive.
What kept many of the Pharisees from accepting the Messiah? Was it not pride?

John 12:42 - Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:

John 12:43 - For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of YAHWEH.

It certainly was there. Even a prayer can be driven by pride.
I think that when we start to speak in our prayers as if Yahweh isn't in the first person....pride is often the reason I've heard this...many times but at some point..the one offering prayer isn't talking to Yahweh anymore but to the people.
Prayer is not to be a performance, it is an offering...a pure holy offering without blemish unto Yahweh.
In prayer, we are speaking TO Yahweh.
Remember this prayer..

Luke 18:10 - Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

Luke 18:11 - The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, Elohim, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

This man prayed 'thus with himself'

Luke 18:12 - I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Luke 18:13 - And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, Elohim be merciful to me a sinner.

Luke 18:14 - I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

"Every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted."
Important words for today

Luke 14:7 - And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them,

Luke 14:8 - When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;

Luke 14:9 - And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.

Luke 14:10 - But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.

Luke 14:11 - For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Even so, it is better to be humbled in this life.. than in the next!
For all things hidden will come to light
Before I close, I do want to share a scripture that shows a different kind of 'pride'

Jeremiah 9:23 - Thus saith YAHWEH, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches:

Jeremiah 9:24 - But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am YAHWEH which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith YAHWEH.

I don't think this gives us the go ahead to be self righteous like the scribes and pharisees... But let our honor be in that we are servants of Yahweh
It is not a shameful thing to serve Yahweh. It is an honorable thing to serve the KING, HalleluYah!
And we are blessed to be His servants. All of the longsuffering and mercy and love that He has had for us, just so that we could be His own.
We are blessed to be servants of the Most High. Yahshua paid the ultimate price so that we could. Let's not waste it on vanity, let's exalt Yahweh!

Psalms 115:1 - Not unto us, O YAHWEH, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy mercy, and for thy truth's sake.

May He bless you all .. may we serve Him with a pure heart :)

End

Caleb - ================ PRAISE YAHWEH!! ================

Mattityahu - HalleluYah!

Berean - \O/\0/\o/\o/\o/\o/ Praise YAHWEH!!

BrPoet - \0/\0/\0/HalleluYah\0/\0/\0/\0/

BrBob - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/

Mattityahu - :)

EliYah - Welcome MattitYahu

braaf - praise YHWH ameyn

drexel - Praise Yahweh...great message

BrTom -

TrustInYHWH - +titus 3 9

Caleb - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/

TrustInYHWH - +titus 3 10

braaf - true true

TrustInYHWH - +titus 3 11

zeek - amen amen!!!

Eugene - HalleluYah

drexel - !rs

zeek - i am convected

Mattityahu - Blessed is He!

EliYah - Are there any questions or added comments?

braaf - What about if someone is an artist, what is he to do?

drexel - the root of all sin is SELF

rocks - What about the pride of knowledge?

BrPoet - WHAT AN AWSOME ELOHIM WE HAVE \0/\0/\0/HALLELUYAH\0/\0/\0/

EliYah - I think an artist should find a way to exalt Yahweh in his art

TrustInYHWH - there is a verse somewhere that addresses the pride of knowledge\

Caleb - Lyla Tov everyone

Berean - {{{{{{{{{{{{{ Caleb }}}}}}}}}}}}}

Berean - ...L.....i.....e.....la... Caleb ...T.....o.....v.....!...

BrTom - BrBuddy, have you got a new email address?

BrPoet - LYLA TOVE CALEB

drexel - lyla tov..caleb

BrTom - Shalom Caleb

Eugene - HALLELUYAH

braaf - I cannot receive Bereans mesage

BrPoet - Shalom Caleb

BrBill - Shabbat Shalom IceDove

Berean - Shabbat Shalom IceDove

BrTom - SHALOM IceDove!

EliYah - Shabbat Shalom IceDove :)

EliYah - (¯`·._(¯`·._(¯`·._( {{ IceDove }} )_.·´¯)_.·´¯)_.·´¯)

IceDove - hello :)

drexel - shalom ice dove

BrBill - How was your Sabbath IceDove?

IceDove - good BrBill

BrPoet - Everyone have a great and wonderful blessed Sabbath. Lyla Tov Achi's Shalom Aliechem

BrBill - HalleluYah!

EliYah - Yahweh is sooo good

BJ2 - Praise Yahweh

drexel - cool huh gil?

BrBob - Dump that nerd

braaf - I takethis sermon serious, I liked it, even when it convicts.

drexel - and we were talking about pride huh?

braaf - Something good in it for the week

TrustInYHWH - No name of calling

BrBob - thanks

EliYah - braaf, if it convicts us..that is a great blessing

braaf - Yes pride, Where do we have to draw the line,

BrBob - that kind of stuff messes up the sabbath

drexel - they try too...don't they

gil - what, drexel?

TrustInYHWH - BrBob, we could have ministered to him

EliYah - Are there any prayer requests?

braaf - I understand that a proud face is an abomenation to YAH, I dont like it either

drexel - did you hear the shofar..gil?

TrustInYHWH - How do you know he wasn't sent by YHWH?

BrBob - Hey, we have a nice crowd in here tonight..HalleluYah

drexel - Praise Yahweh

rocks - just like the world , it creeps into our lives no matter how hard we try, a constant battle

BrBob - If he was sent by YHWH, he needs to change a few things

braaf - I would like to hear the shofar, but I guess I have to imagin it

TrustInYHWH - Maybe you just failed a test Bob

TrustInYHWH - think about it

drexel - braaf...are you on mirc?

TrustInYHWH - :)

IceDove - one of the gifts of the spirit is one of self control

gil - no, drexel

braaf - No I guess.

BrBob - I think YHWH would know that that kind of thing would not be approved of on this channel, methinks

Mattityahu - Not everyone will agree with me, but I'd like to pray for the man calling himself Joshua Essene.

IceDove - self control is perhaps the hardest to apply constantly, yet it must rule to allow Yahweh to rulle

drexel - hmm, I sent you the sound wav...gil..and you did not hear it?

braaf - I can get sound , I mean from ...

TrustInYHWH - It's not what we approves of, it's what He approves of.

gil - sorry, I didn't - maybe I have lots to learn

TrustInYHWH - anyway, enuf said

BrBob - hehe.....But we have discernment, and free will

drexel - hmm, sorry gil...thought you could hear it

Israelite - +prov 6 16

TrustInYHWH - Love thy enemy?

TrustInYHWH - hehe

BrBob - I think gil has some file path problem maybe

Israelite - +prov 6 17

EliYah - self control is the root of obedience.. or perhaps letting Yahweh control self :)

drexel - maybe

braaf - Serious question: How do we test if we have pride , and how do you get rid of it?

Israelite - +prov 6 18

Israelite - +prov 6 19

TrustInYHWH - Practice humility and pride will disappear

Mattityahu - Not everyone will agree with me, but I'd like to pray for the man calling himself Joshua Essene. Can anyone hear/see me?

BrTom - Loving Yahweh and loving our neighbor will help with pride

EliYah - Yes MattitYahu

TrustInYHWH - who is Joshua Essene

EliYah - I'll add him to the prayer this evening

BrBob - yes

Israelite - Yes, Matt

Mattityahu - ok.

rocks - Pray to YHWH for humility

BJ2 - what about him?

TrustInYHWH - pride cometh before a fall

BJ2 - what about joshua essene/

TrustInYHWH - I don't know him, am I ignorant?

Mattityahu - He was a man who appeared on Eliyah's forum a while ago. He was a modern day Essene.

EliYah - he is a person that comes to the forum and teaches that the New Testament isn't valid scripture

BrBob - I'm going to leave for a short while, but I'll be back.....Shalom

drexel - I've seen him

OwretchedMan - shalom from Great Lakes, Illinois

TrustInYHWH - So he is Judaic?

EliYah - Shalom BrBob

Mattityahu - They worship the Earth as well as YHVH.

drexel - see you BrBob

EliYah - He accepts the Messiah, in his own way

braaf - Sometimes shyness can be confused with humility, and pride can be covert up someones whole life.

Mattityahu - I would hope he will see the truth.

EliYah - Yes, braaf

braaf - I think we have to search our own hearts.

TrustInYHWH - Eli, what's the basis for his claim?

EliYah - The dead sea scrolls, TIY

Israelite - braaf, Pride will rear itself and kick you between the eyes. (it has me anyway)

EliYah - or his interpretation of them

TrustInYHWH - Matt: I would hope that I see the truth.

drexel - exactly isrealite

Mattityahu - That too ;)

TrustInYHWH - Eli: those scrolls actually support much of what is written in the NT

Mattityahu - Sorry, I know what you mean.

EliYah - I agree

BrTom - Anyone who needs info on the Sabbath meeting in Chicago area tomorrow please ask.

Israelite - Braaf, and sometimes zealousness for Yahweh is confused for pride.

TrustInYHWH - zealous=enthusiasm

TrustInYHWH - zealous=faithful

braaf - Israelite, It hurts a lot does it not, I think no one in this room can say they have never been proud.

TrustInYHWH - zealous=dedicated

drexel - you are right braaf...

Israelite - Yes.

Mattityahu - Zealousness can be mistaken for Pharasiacal legalistic pride: pride in your own ability to keep the Law.

TrustInYHWH - I show pride everyday

braaf - It si the difference between PRIDE and pride, that we have to learn

Israelite - That's why I stated prov 16

drexel - !search pride

TrustInYHWH - +1pet 5 5

drexel - !search prideful

drexel - hmm..

Israelite - !proud look

braaf - I want to thank the person who gave us this sermon/admonition today.

Israelite - !search proud look

BrTom - Praise Yahweh!!!

drexel - +prov 6 17

BrBill - +prov 21 4

Israelite - +job 40:12

Israelite - +job 40 12

braaf - I want to thank YHWH for the food, Praise Yah,

drexel - +prov 21 4

BJ2 - what does plowing of the wicked mean?

BrBob_bbl - Lenny, I havent seen you for a year.....Shalom!

TrustInYHWH - +col 2 18

drexel - WB BrBOB

BrBob - I'm lurking

Israelite - {An...: Heb. Haughtiness of eyes} {the plowing: or, the light}

EliYah - BJ2, perhaps what the wicked ones sow is sin

TrustInYHWH - +acts 20 19

TrustInYHWH - +acts 20 20

Israelite - 4 Haughty eyes and a proud heart,

Israelite - the lamp of the wicked, are sin!

braaf - what is the bbl for?

IceDove - Be Back Later

OwretchedMan - shalom and have a good shabbat

TrustInYHWH - +prov 22 4

BrTom - Shalom owertchedman

EliYah - Are there any last prayer requests/

BJ2 - did you get our email today?

EliYah - Yes, BJ2

EliYah - Elish called you, yes?

BrBill - Bro. Jaan has the Flu please pray for him.

BrTom - Mellisa has a problem at work.

TrustInYHWH - Well, time for beddyby folks

TrustInYHWH - been a lonnnnnnnggg week

BrTom - Shalom TIY

rocks - thanks for help Trustin Shalom

Mattityahu - (,o,) (,o,) (,o,)

BrBob_bbl - Favor and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of YAHWEH and Yahshua our Master, TrustInYHWH

braaf - Shalom

Mattityahu - Shalom, everyone

zeek - pride is like poison from a snake

braaf - Or a bite from a poisones spider

zeek - are we stuck

gil - there is probably more pride in religious people than non religious

BrTom - Wouldn't count on that

gil - (I do not mean the truly pious)

rocks - Pride is likened to all +Mark 7:21-23

BrTom - Shalom Israelite!

drexel - I think all people...religious and non religious are prideful

Israelite - +mark 7 21-23

BrTom - Right drexel

braaf - Prayer request: That I may have the wisdom to see how to guide my childeren in the path of YHWH

drexel - +mark 7 21

drexel - +mark 21 22

Israelite - +mark 7 23

drexel - +mark 21 23

Israelite - +mark 7 22

BrBill - Pride does not discriminate.

gil - The Saviour seemed to have a harder time with the religious of his day than the publicans and harlots

zeek - something seems to be wrong

TrustInYHWH - YHWH does not discriminate either, evil people all get the same reward

gil - He said they would go into heaven before the Scribes and Pharisees

braaf - what is it Zeek?

drexel - :)

TrustInYHWH - for the least is greater than John the Baptist

braaf - Their is ofcource little pride bieing a texcollector or a prostitute,

BrBill - !search the children of the kingdom will be rejected

IceDove - TIY, why do you say if offered it please?

gil - They had less to lose by accepting him

braaf - Mybe that is what we all think, without thinking, Tahnk Yah I am not a taxcollector. and so sinning in the sin of pride?

TrustInYHWH - Because I'm not always sure of my ultimate fate or YHWH decision

TrustInYHWH - maybe I won't be good enough for the lowest position

IceDove - the Bible clearly states if you believe you have the gift of eternal life, do you not have faith in that?

drexel - Paul had to run the race unto the end...and finsh the course

drexel - so do we

TrustInYHWH - well there is much argument about faith and works

jtdal - thsts a hard one for me too sometimes tiy

TrustInYHWH - James thought that works were necessary

drexel - I agree TIY...

TrustInYHWH - +james 2:26

TrustInYHWH - oops

EliYah - I believe that we can believe Yahweh when He says that He will save us

IceDove - TIY , I believe that obedience is all Yahweh asks

EliYah - But we shouldn't be overconfident in ourselves

TrustInYHWH - obedience is a general term

BrBill - just hold on to the hand of Yahshua and He will never leave you or forsake you if you trust in Him!

EliYah - but remain humble and thankful that we might be among the blessed of the Father

EliYah - We must endure to the end

TrustInYHWH - I hope, but am never certain

rocks - IceDove- what obedience?

drexel - Exactly EliYah

TrustInYHWH - I never have felt worthy

EliYah - When we think we are worthy we have lost it

TrustInYHWH - maybe yall are more sure

IceDove - simplistically Yahshua is The Shepherd and we are his sheep, if we stary He will seek us to save us and give us the eternal promise

EliYah - If we have any hope it is in His mercy through Yahshua

TrustInYHWH - I really counting on that

rocks - Shalom Andrea

gil - I would like to thank EliYah for the the thoughts on pride

drexel - me too...

BJ2 - ditto

EliYah - Thank Yahweh for His word

drexel - excellent message EliYah

gil - Amen

rocks - ditto

jtdal - shalom springhill

drexel - Praise Yahweh

TrustInYHWH - Practice taking the backseat on a daily basis

TrustInYHWH - Let others shine before you

TrustInYHWH - help them succeed

rocks - including mates

gil - Let us strive for the front seat in His school

EliYah - Are we ready for prayer?

IceDove - its a battle for most TIY, Yahweh's greatest wish is to see His children happy

gil - let's pray

TrustInYHWH - learn to hold your tongue, that will carry you a long way toward humility

braaf - yes

TRuth - ready

EliYah - HalleluYah! One day our sorrow will flee away and everlasting joy will be upon our heads!

EliYah - Let's pray

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