Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 01/15/99

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YermeYah - HalleuYAH

YermeYah - Abba YHWH, Kodesh be thy name forever...

YermeYah - We thank you so much for being our Elohim, and we thank you for this Sabbath rest...

YermeYah - Heavenly Father, please help Hanna and take away her headache

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YermeYah - Abba, please help the group that Dorota is with, that they can see the importance of your name

YermeYah - Please be with us this evening and bless this gathering...

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YermeYah - and help us to receive your Word into our heart and to apply it to our lives...

YermeYah - Abba, please help us to remember you in all things...

YermeYah - In Yahushua's name we pray

YermeYah - HalleluYAH

EliYah's message:

HalleluYah!
Tonite I would like to announce that there are meetings in the youth chat room every night but especially on sunday nights at 7pm Eastern Standard Time. All youths are invited to attend!
Tonite begins part 3 of the study on head coverings
This is the final part of the study. I believe that it is important one read the previous 2 portions in order to fully comprehend the 3rd.
However, there will be some review here.
In part 3, we will be going through 1 corinthians 11 and seeing it in light of Part 1 and 2...and also the Old Testament

1Corinthians 11:2 - Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

1Corinthians 11:3 - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is the Messiah; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of the Messiah is YAHWEH.

1Corinthians 11:4 - Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

1Corinthians 11:5 - But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

We have gone through the scriptures that show the Messiah being the image and glory of Yahweh
It is true that we need Yahshua in us as the brightness of the glory of Yahweh.
If we cover that in prayer, then we are in essence doubting that Yahshua in us is the glory needed to approach the Father.
Even though the standard of Righteousness has not change as defined in the law of Yahweh, our position before Yahweh HAS.
There was a custom in the 1st century (not in scripture) that we can read in historical books that states the common man would often cover his head while praying to Yahweh.
But this is not certain
In Yahshua, the man need not cover his head again when approaching Yahweh, but can come 'boldly to the throne of grace' because of Yahshua's righteousness in us.
There has been a change in priesthood, as scripture has foretold:

Psalms 110:1 - YAHWEH said unto my Master, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Psalms 110:2 - YAHWEH shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

Psalms 110:3 - Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

Psalms 110:4 - YAHWEH hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

With this, another scripture agrees:

Hebrews 7:20 - And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath

Hebrews 7:21 - (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him: YAHWEH has sworn and will not relent, `You [are] a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek' "),

The purpose of sacrificing animals for our sins was completed when Yahushua came to earth and became that sacrifice.
He is our Passover lamb, our righteousness.
When it comes to sacrificing an animal for our sins, we have no need for we already have that sacrifice.
While it is true that Paul made offerings in the temple when he was purified with certain men:

Acts 21:26 - Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purifcation, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

...it is not true that we need an animal's blood to cover our sins.
We have the righteous blood of Yahshua the Messiah covering our sins forever:

Hebrews 9:24 - For the Messiah has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of YAHWEH for us;

Hebrews 9:25 - not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another--

Hebrews 9:26 - He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

Over and over again (particularly in Hebrews) it is written that the priesthood of Yahshua the Messiah is a spiritual one.
The sacrifices are spiritual, the temple is spiritual, everything is spiritual.
This one reason why men also only need the spiritual covering of Yahushua the Messiah upon their head when coming in the presence of Yahweh.
We already have the veil needed to appear righteous unto Yahweh while in His presence:

Hebrews 10:19 - Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Yahushua,

Hebrews 10:20 - by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh,

Hebrews 10:21 - and having a High Priest over the house of YAHWEH,

Hebrews 10:22 - let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

This is the veil we need brothers! His flesh, our veil is all we need!
We need not place a physical veil our heads as a symbol for righteousness anymore than need to sacrifice a physical lamb to appear righteous unto Yahweh.
We have Yahshua's righteousness upon us when we repented, were baptized and accepted Yahshua the Messiah as our Atonement for sin!
We do not need to sacrifice a passover lamb to make us righteous and we do not need to wear a cloth on our head to make us appear righteous in Yahweh's sight.
What's more...

Hebrews 4:15 - For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

Hebrews 4:16 - Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of favour, that we may obtain mercy and find favour to help in time of need.

When Yahweh sees us..He must see Yahshua and His righteousness in us.
We dishonor our head (Yahshua) by not letting Yahweh's glory shine forth.
We ought not to cover our head and bring dishonor to Yahushua. A man's prayer is hindered without the glory of Yahweh (Yahshua in him).
If you have not thoroughly read the previous 2 parts of this study, you may not fully understand all the scriptures that are involved in proving this point.
I would encourage anyone who remains unconvinced to read this study all at once and in its entirety before drawing any certain conclusions. We will also have more on this later in the study
Now let's move on to the women's headcovering as outlined in 1Corinthians 11.

1Corinthians 11:5 - But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

1Corinthians 11:6 - For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

As for a woman, she is the glory of man for the woman was made for the man. A woman's glory is her hair.
With the veil, a man's glory is covered (the woman) and a woman's glory is covered..her hair.
But Yahweh's glory (Yahshua, the sinless perfect image) in His presence remains uncovered.
Our glory is a lesser glory..and an unworthy glory.
Again, the only glory that should be uncovered is Yahushua the Messiah, the glory of Yahweh!
If a woman were to uncover her glory, then it would dishonor her head (the man) because she is in effect saying she doesn't need the man's authority in Yahshua to have the glory of Yahweh upon her
She is trying to bypass him and act as a male!
She is without authority to do so
For Yahweh's glory to be upon the woman, the men in the assembly should remain uncovered in prayer and the woman must remain covered.
Let's examine one place in the Law/Torah that discusses the head covering of a woman:

Numbers 5:12 - Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,

Numbers 5:13 - And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner;

Numbers 5:14 - And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:

Numbers 5:15 - Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.

Numbers 5:16 - And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before YAHWEH:

Now notice that the woman is brought before the presence of Yahweh. This is important.

Numbers 5:17 - And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water:

Numbers 5:18 - And the priest shall set the woman before YAHWEH, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse:

Now what was the significance of uncovering the woman's head?
As we have discussed, the man's covering is the glory of Yahweh, the righteousness of Yahshua the Messiah.
And as we have discussed, the Messiah is the head of a man and the man is the head of the woman.
In order for a woman to have the glory of Yahweh upon her, she must go through the man's authority!
She must have a sign of authority upon their head if she wants to come in the presence of Yahweh.
That sign of authority is the head covering. This authority to come in the presence of Yahweh must come through the man.

Numbers 5:19 - And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:

Numbers 5:20 - But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:

Numbers 5:21 - Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, YAHWEH make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when YAHWEH doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;

Here is another translation of verse 29 and 20:
err..19 and 20

NKJV 19 `And the priest shall put her under oath, and say to the woman, "If no man has lain with you, and if you have not gone astray to uncleanness while under your husband's authority, be free from this bitter water that brings a curse. 20 "But if you have gone

astray while under your husband's authority, and if you have defiled yourself and some man other than your husband has lain with you"--
and another..

Numb 5:19 (ylt) `And the priest hath caused her to swear, and hath said unto the woman, If no man hath lain with thee, and if thou hast not turned aside [to] uncleanness under thy husband, be free from these bitter waters which cause the curse;20 and thou, if thou ast turned aside under thy husband, and if thou hast been defiled, and any man doth give his copulation to thee besides thy husband--

See, the priest REMOVED the protection and righteousness that the woman might have had through the man so that the following curse would be effective:

Numbers 5:21 - Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, YAHWEH make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when YAHWEH doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;

Numbers 5:22 - And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.

If the woman had despised the authority of the man by committing adultery against him then surely this curse would have been performed because she just performed an oath in the presence of Yahweh while her head was uncovered!
Normally, an oath could have been revoked by her father or her husband

Numbers 30:13 - Every vow, and every binding oath to afflict the soul, her husband may establish it, or her husband may make it void.

HalleluYah! Even then, a man's protection and righteousness through Yahshua the Messiah was important!!
The accused woman was coming before Yahweh and performing an oath without that protection upon her, AND without the righteousness of Yahushua the Messiah upon her through the man!
Therefore, it was totally necessary that the woman's head be uncovered during this process!
It is a beautiful truth that the woman's headcovering also represents her willingness to submit to her husband's authority given to him by Yahweh.
Her 'adorning' is:

1Timothy 2:8 - I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

1Timothy 2:9 - In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

1Timothy 2:10 - But (which becometh women professing reverence) with good works.

With this, Kepha/Peter agrees:

1Peter 3:5 - For in this manner, in former times, the holy women who trusted in YAHWEH also adorned themselves, being submissive to their own husbands,

1Peter 3:6 - as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him master, whose daughters you are if you do good and are not afraid with any terror.

This relationship that exists between the husband and wife is much like the relationship that exists between the Yahshua and His bride, the assembly:

Ephesians 5:25 - Husbands, love your wives, just as the Messiah also loved the assemblyand gave Himself for her,

Ephesians 5:26 - that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,

Ephesians 5:27 - that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.

Ephesians 5:28 - So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself.

Likewise, I believe that the husbands will be held accountable for how they have led their wives as part of their works on this earth.
It is a beautiful relationship in that the Body of Messiah truly is 'one flesh', HalleluYah!
Without the man's submission to His head (Yahshua) and without the wive's submission to her head (the man), there is no unity (Echad).
The action of a woman covering her head is an act of recognizing the authority of the man.
Woe to the woman who departs from the protection and authority and righteousness of the man through Yahshua the Messiah!! For it must be the glory of Yahweh through the righteousness of Yahshua the Messiah that must be present in prayer, not the glory of man and not the glory of woman but the glory of Yahweh, HalleluYah!

1Corinthians 11:7 - For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of YAHWEH: but the woman is the glory of the man.

This scripture shows what we discussed earlier about the man (through Yahshua) is the image and glory of Yahweh.
The man is not righteous in and of himself, the man needs Yahshua's righteousness upon him to become the glory of Yahweh!
It is for this specific reason that we do not cover our head (who is Yahshua) now while praying or prophesying.

1Corinthians 11:8 - For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

1Corinthians 11:9 - Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

This is where it is reiterated that the man is the image of Yahweh, not the woman. Also here it is proven that the man was not created for the woman but the woman was created for the man.
This concept is what is behind the principles of authority in this chapter and in the other scriptures as well.

1Corinthians 11:10 - For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

This greek word translated "Power" (#1849) is also translated "Authority" in this scripture:

Matthew 7:28 - And it came to pass, when Yahushua had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:

Matthew 7:29 - For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

So let's read this scripture again with this meaning in mind:

10 For this cause ought the woman to have "authority" on her head because of the angels.

It is the veil that gives the woman the authority to come to Yahweh....through the man and through Yahshua
Without her own glory and the glory of man being covered, she has no authority to come to Yahweh because she is not respecting Yahweh's order and letting the glory of Yahushua the Messiah shine forth through the man!
For those who believe that the woman's hair is the subject here and the hair is what gives her the authority to come to Yahweh, this is where such a statement really stands out as incorrect.
How can a woman's hair give her any authority? How can a woman's glory give herself authority?
Is it not Yahshua the Messiah that a woman needs to be in the presence of Yahweh?
The reason the woman is the man's glory is because she was created for him. While in prayer and in prophesying, the woman (who is the man's glory) needs to cover the man's glory as well as her own by placing the sign of authority on her head.

10 For this cause ought the woman to have "authority" on her head because of the angels.

Concerning the phrase "Because of the angels", there are many interpretations of this.
It seems to come out of nowhere and has caused much conjecture as to its meaning.
One interpretation states that the angels would again 'see that the daughters of men were fair' and would be tempted to sin like the fallen angels of old.
One problem with this is that the angels are present at any given time, not just praying and prophesying. I'm not saying it is wrong, but 'to me' it seems unlikely.
Another interpretation says that the angels would be shocked at the conduct of the women when they are uncovering their heads in prayer or prophesying.
I suppose this is possible but the scripture says that the women ought to have the 'sign of authority on her head BECAUSE of the angels'.
With this interpretation, the angels seem to be the whole purpose of the head covering here and this doesn't really line up with the rest of the chapter.
Something worth examining here in this verse is the original language.
Let's look at both Greek and then Hebrew
Unlike the english language where 'angel' refers to a spiritual being, in Hebrew and Greek there is a dual meaning.
The greek word used for 'angel' (#32 angelos) here is most often translated 'angel' but is translated 'messenger' 7 times in the KJV.
In each case it is translated messenger, it is referring to a person, not an angelic being. Here is an example:

Luke 7:24 - And when the messengers of John were departed, he began to speak unto the people concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind?

The word 'messengers' here is the word in question. It is the greek word most often translated "Angel" (angelos, #32).
So we can see that in greek, this word has a somewhat a dual meaning. What about Hebrew?
In Hebrew, the word has the same basic dual meaning only with even greater variation.
The Hebrew word "Malak" (#4397) is translated 'angel' 111 times and 'messenger' 98 times. Here is a great example of this:

Malachi 2:7 - For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of YAHWEH of hosts.

This is an interesting verse! Yahweh calls the the priest a 'malak' because from his mouth the people would learn the instruction and teaching of Yahweh.
Now that Yahshua has come, men have been given this responsibility in the body of Yahshua. As it is written:

1Timothy 2:12 - But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1Timothy 2:13 - For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

With this in mind, let's read the verse in question again
This time we will insert the alternative translation:

10 For this cause ought the woman to have authority on her head because of the messengers

"Because of the messengers!" This makes far more sense in my view because it is "because of the men/messengers" and their authority in Yahshua that the women would have to cover their head!
AND this fits the context of the verse like a glove:

1Corinthians 11:11 - Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in YAHWEH.

1Corinthians 11:12 - For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of YAHWEH.

Fits MUCH better !: )
The above verses also clarify that although woman is from the man, man cannot now exist without the woman for she gives birth to the man in childbearing....however all things are of Yahweh.
We are truly spiritual equals in the sight of Yahweh, but we have different roles

1Corinthians 11:13 - Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto YAHWEH uncovered?

1Corinthians 11:14 - Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

The greek word translated 'covering' is different in this verse than the greek word translated 'covering' in the previously quoted scriptures

1Corinthians 11:15 - But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

Yes, it is true that the hair of a woman can cover her head, but the veil will cover both her hair (the woman's glory) and her head (the glory of man)
This is why I believe 2 different words are used

1Corinthians 11:16 - But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the assemblies of YAHWEH.

The above verse has been used to excuse away the entire previous set of verses
But this 'custom' in question is the custom of long hair/short hair.
It would seem out of place to dismiss every foundation that was laid out in this chapter by saying 'we have no such custom'.
And it would seem strange that one would expound on something so spiritually deep and significant only to say "Look, if this is going to be a big problem for you, let’s just forget everything I have just said!."
The custom in question would have be the long hair/short hair custom.
Paul himself took a Nazarite vow (Acts 18:18) and therefore had to let his hair grow long as commanded.
In the law, Yahweh in certain other instances requires person to shave off their head such as in a lepers cleansing.
Besides all this, the context of verse 16 indicates the long hair/short hair was the custom in question.
To recap:
Man is the image and glory of Yahweh. But He cannot be the image and glory of Yahweh without the righteousness of Yahshua the Messiah upon him
Woman is the glory of man. A woman's glory is her hair. With the veil over the head and hair of a woman, a man's glory is covered (the woman) and a woman's glory is covered..her hair.
But Yahweh's glory (Yahshua, the sinless perfect image) in His presence remains uncovered. Our glory is a lesser glory..and an unworthy glory.
The only glory that should be uncovered is the glory of Yahushua the Messiah!
If a woman were to uncover her glory, then it would dishonor her head (the man) because she is saying she doesn't need her husband's authority in Yahushua to have Yahushua's glory appear to Yahweh.
She is trying to bypass him and act as a male! She is without authority to do so.
For Yahushua's glory to be upon the woman, the man must remain uncovered in prayer and the woman must remain covered.
With the veil, both the woman (her husband's glory) and her hair (The wife's glory) are covered and Yahshua's glory shines forth in our humility!!
Therefore, scripture says if you aren't going to cover that hair, cut it off so that you have no glory at all!!
The principles behind all of this is Authority and Glory. In scripture, whether one has long or short hair has nothing to do with authority.
This concludes the study on headcoverings, however I would like to share 2 parallels in scripture that reveal Yahshua the Messiah as the glory of Yahweh.
Both of these scriptures are in what is called the "Old Testament". It is important that we concentrate on what it taking place here:

Ezekiel 11:17 - Therefore say, Thus saith the Master YAHWEH; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.

Ezekiel 11:18 - And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.

Ezekiel 11:19 - And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Ezekiel 11:20 - That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their Elohim.

Ezekiel 11:21 - But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Master YAHWEH.

Ezekiel 11:22 - Then did the cherubims lift up their wings, and the wheels beside them; and the glory of the Elohim of Israel was over them above.

Note that this seems incomplete, how is Yahweh going to recompense them? Now pay close attention to the next verse:

Ezekiel 11:23 - And the glory of YAHWEH went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city.

The glory of Yahweh "Stood" on the mountain on the east side of the city. The mountain on the east side of the city is the
Mount of Olives.
Now, who will stand on this mountain in a time of judgement?

Zechariah 14:1 - Behold, the day of YAHWEH cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Zechariah 14:2 - For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Zechariah 14:3 - Then shall YAHWEH go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zechariah 14:4 - And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

"And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives" Here we again see the glory of Yahweh (who is Yahshua the Messiah) STANDING on the mount of Olives!
So it is the glory of Yahweh (being Yahushua) whose feet come to touch down on the mountain which splits in two!
This is a striking parallel and agrees completely with the Scripture in Hebrews which speaks of our Master and our righteousness:

Hebrews 1:3 - who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

It is my hope that this study has shed some light on this subject and began to show the importance of the head coverings and how it relates to the ultimate glory of Yahweh, our Messiah Yahshua.

Psalms 80:3 - Turn us again, O Elohim, and cause thy face to shine; and we shall be saved.

Numbers 6:24 - YAHWEH bless thee, and keep thee:

Numbers 6:25 - YAHWEH make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

Numbers 6:26 - YAHWEH lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

Numbers 6:27 - And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

May Yahweh bless you and keep you by the glory of Yahweh (Yahshua the Messiah) shining upon you giving you mercy and grace. In this, the name of Yahweh our Righteousness is upon you and truly you have the shalom/peace that passes all understanding and truly..you..are..blessed!!!!

2Corinthians 4:6 - For YAHWEH, who said, "Light shall shine out of darkness," is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of YAHWEH in the face of Yahushua the Messiah.

End

BrPoet - \0/\0/\0/\0/ HalleluYah \0/\0/\0/\0/\0/

BrBob - ================ PRAISE YAHWEH!! ================

BrTom - HalleluYAH!!! \o/ \o/

cocorroco - HalleluYah

YermeYah - HalleluYAH!

drexel - \0/ \0/ \0/ HalleluYah!!!!

EliYah - Are there any questions or added comments?

drexel - wonderful message!!!

Hannah - Acts 18:18 said his head was shorn in Cenchrea for he had a vow. Also in 11:2 how can a "tradition" be a salvational issue. Traditions are man made. I accidently hit enter a while ago, didn't mean to interrup

BrBuddy - I would loke to make a coment on ! cor 11:16

rocks - Did not Jacob see the "messengers"?

Beverly - first question: was it required in tenakh for men to have their heads covered?

BrPoet - Thank You EliYah for such a beautiful and enlighten messages. I have truly learned much. \0/\0/\0/ HalleluYah \0/\0/\0/

Angel - EliYah this sermon is very accurate, when I saw Yahshua in a vision, he did not have any head covering and had short black hair and a short beard!

BroJaan - Amen!

EliYah - Hannah:

Hannah - The ancient of days in Rev. which is the one who was Yahshua in flesh had white hair, not head covering

BroJaan - Good message, sorry I only heard the last part of it

EliYah - 2Thessalonians 3:6 - Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Master Yahushua the Messiah, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

EliYah - 2Thessalonians 3:15 - Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

drexel - EliYah, could it be possible that the "custom" that the assemblies of Yahweh does not have could be that of being "contentious"?

EliYah - 2Thessalonians 2:15 - Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Hannah - We are not under the old priest hood but under a new one, and we can not mix the two.

cocorroco - Goodnight and be blessed

BrPoet - Lyla Tov cocorroco

Angel - blessings to you cocorroco

drexel - shalom....cocorroco

BrTom - Shalom cocorroco

Saly - Goodnight cocorroco

EliYah - True, Hannah..this is why we don't wear a kippah which represented Yahshua

Beverly - May question was were the men required in Tenakh to wear a head covering?

drexel - {{{{{{{rocks}}}}}}}}}}

EliYah - Beverly:

BrPoet - Shabbatt Shalom Aliechim

Beverly - yes

Hannah - Acts 21:23.. they had their heads shaved for that vow, not let it grow out.

YermeYah - I must go now, YHWH bless you all...Shabbat Shalom

rocks - Hi Drexel

EliYah - The priests..who stood in the presence of Yahweh were required. And we now stand in the presence of Yahweh through the veil, Yahshua

BrTom - The High priest wore a head covering.

Angel - lyla tov YermeYah

rocks - no one answered my question, did they?

drexel - shalom yermaYah

EliYah - Hannah: Read about the Nazirite vow

BrTom - Yahshua is now high priest

drexel - shalom Hava

drexel - .

Beverly - Then are you saying that Heb. 10:20 only pretained to men?

EliYah - Rocks: Yes, he did

BrBuddy - If you look a t 1 cor 11:16 you will see that the word "BUT" was not in the greek and this verse is the start of another train of thought with verse 17

Hannah - Nazirites were the only ones under that vow. Where are the true blood ones today? :-)

EliYah - The men, but also the women THROUGH the men..just as in the Tenakh

Beverly - Eliyah I e-mail you about this later...

BrPoet - Berean have you heard from caleb?

EliYah - ok :)

BroJaan - I know the confusion though why people think Yahshua had long hair...

BrTom - Yes Rocks, Jacob did see messengers.

BroJaan - There is a verse in Leviticus that says don't cut the sides of your head

Berean - not lately

Hannah - Got to go. Need some personal worship time.

BrPoet - I am concerned about him

EliYah - BrBuddy, I looked into that..it's there from what I've seen

Angel - which one BroJaan?

BrPoet - Shalom Hanna

Hannah - Shalom

BrPoet - {{{{{{{{{{{{Hanna}}}}}}}}}}}

EliYah - The greek word "De"

drexel - lyla tov Hannah

BrPoet - lyla tov

BrBuddy - Very good message Elder I agree with you, Praise Yahweh, & good night Brothers & Sisters

rocks - thanks to you Eliyah and BrTom another message, i guess

Saly - Bye,Shalom , dear sister.

BroJaan - That's why if you see the orthadox jews, they have long curls by the side of their head

Berean - Shalom Hannah

EliYah - Shalom, HalleluYah!

drexel - shalom BrBuddy

BroJaan - Its near the verse that says, don't cut the corners of your beard

BrBob - Hate to leave, but I need to go.

BrBuddy - Shalom Sis drexel

EliYah - Yahweh bless you BrBob :)

BrPoet - Shalom BrBob

BrPoet - {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{BrBob}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

BrBob - {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ BrPoet }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

BrPoet - Lyla Tov

BrBob - Favor and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of YAHWEH and Yahshua our Master, EliYah

drexel - shalom BrBob

Angel - yes the orthodox Jews have long curls, but they get the back of the head cut, don't they Bro.Jaan?

EliYah - Shabbat Shalom BrBob :)

EliYah - (¯`·._(¯`·._(¯`·._( {{ BrBob }} )_.·´¯)_.·´¯)_.·´¯)

Saly - (((((((((((((BroBob)))))))))))))))

BrBob - Yahweh bless you, and keep you. Yahweh make his face shine upon you, and be gracious unto you. Yahweh lift up his countenance upon you, and give you (HIS) peace. So they willl put MY NAME upon (YOU) the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Num. 6 24-27

BroJaan - Another reason might have been that people thought that Yahshua was a Nazarine and had taken the Nazarine oath like Samson not to drink fruit of the vine, or to cut their hair.

drexel - shalom Dorota

BroJaan - But Yahshua did drink fruit of the vine, the last supper, therefore, he didn't take the nazarine oath

drexel - rocks...did you find what you needed earlier...for V?

PoloGirl22 - Thanks

drexel - shalom pologirl

PoloGirl22 - what?

Angel - BroJaan, do orthodox jews cut the back hair?

rocks - I think maybe, Drexel, in a book

drexel - good to hear that

BroJaan - In Corinthians Paul tells us that women should have long hair and a head covering, but men should have short hear and no head covering

drexel - polo..shalom is hebrew...means peace

rocks - do u still have company, D?

BroJaan - Angel, I think so, yes

PoloGirl22 - ohhh thanks

drexel - watchman is a computer program

drexel - polo your first time here?

PoloGirl22 - yup to this room

drexel - no..rocks they went home...just B and I here...kids in bed

Angel - BroJaan, then they are in obedience of the scriptures right?

BroJaan - yes

drexel - do you keep the Sabbath?

PoloGirl22 - I play in all the RPG's that are on this server

BrTom - Welcome Pologirl

PoloGirl22 - Thanks Tom

Angel - but I wonder about the side curls, are they right about that?

BroJaan - Well, the bible doesn't talk about making curls in their hair

BroJaan - That is more tradition

TRuth - Laila tov all :)

Angel - but I think it is very nice anyway

drexel - shalom Truth.

BroJaan - Well, you know it seems to confict

BroJaan - But of course it couldn't

Angel - what defines the corners of a beard?

BrTom - It's a bible study Polo

drexel - Polo this is a chat room where we talk Bible stuff.

PoloGirl22 - ohh cool

drexel - We use the Fathers name...Yahweh

Hava - hi, polo!

drexel - we do not call him by a title...like god

PoloGirl22 - do you know what FROG stands for then?

drexel - we also use the actual name of the Messiah which is Yahshua.

BrTom - No

drexel - no

PoloGirl22 - Fully Rely on *** (don;t know if I could say it or not)

BroJaan - We say HalleluYAH!

Angel - frog stands for a DEMON

Hava - amen!

drexel - FROY...:)

drexel - have you heard the name before of the Father , polo?

BrTom - Hi Sibly

drexel - shalom sobley

drexel - sibly

drexel - sorry

Sibly - Hello

BrTom - :0)

PoloGirl22 - and fish in Greek stands for..... ***** Christ ***'s Son Savior

BroJaan - PoloGirl22, how does that go?

jorge - Quick question.

PoloGirl22 - ummm yes I have heard the name father before

jorge - YHVH is Yod He Vav He

Hava - Eliyah, I had to put the kids to bed, and got kicked off.... did you mention the meaning of the expression "does not nature show" at the end of 1Cor 11?

BroJaan - Fish in Greek is what? IX0??

drexel - I have seen that sign polo....but find no truth in it...it is of pagen origin

BrTom - Yahweh, the name of the Father in Heaven.

BroJaan - Could you help me PogoGirl?

drexel - no...the Fathers name...Yahweh...had you heard it before?

jorge - What is the spelling of Yahshuah? Yod He Shin Vav He? Is that right?

BrPoet - Shalom Aliechim to all lyla tov

BrTom - No.

EliYah - Hava, I didn't get into a word study on that but discussed the content of the verses

Angel - lyla tov BrTom

BrTom - Yod He Wav Shin Ayin

BrTom - Shalom Angel

Hava - I will see it on your site then?

jorge - Thank you so ver much, BrTom.

BrPoet - Shalom

jorge - Thanks.

EliYah - Yes

drexel - polo....we also keep the Sabbath from sun down Friday to sun down on Saturday.

Saly - lyla tov BrPoet.

drexel - which is the seventh day

Saly - ((((((((((((((BrPoet))))))))))))

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EliYah - (¯`·._(¯`·._(¯`·._( {{ BrPoet }} )_.·´¯)_.·´¯)_.·´¯)

BrPoet - {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{EliYah}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Angel - BroJaan, did you get inf. about the fish?

rocks - Polo is a Xtian

MOSH - df

rocks - fish=fishers of men, i think

BrTom - Was Dove here tonight?

BrTom - Any news of IceDove?

EliYah - No news bro

DrLabon - good evening everyone

Elisheba - +deut 33 26-29

EliYah - Shalom DrLabon :)

BrTom_ - I got booted. Any news of IceDove?

EliYah - hmm....lots of crashes

EliYah - No news bro

drexel - yes...thought it was just me...LOL

BrTom_ - Hi

BrTom_ - Strange. It says I quit. But here I am. Hmmmm

drexel - it even changed my name when i came back...LOL

Siboni - hi! I guess I was off for a while

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