Transcript of Sabbath Meeting - 01/08/99


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BrTom - Almighty Father in heaven, we come before you in Yahshua's name and ask your forgiveness of our sins and uncleanness. Father we are so very thankful for all the great blessings you have given us: We are blessed in our homes, blessed in our jobs, blessed in our nations, and most of all we are blessed in our spirits.

BrTom - Father our spirits soar unto you oh great king of all. We praise you and bless your name and thank you from our hearts.

BrTom - We ask you now to be with us through your spirit to teach us your ways...

BrTom - to bring your words to our rememberance...

BrTom - to guide us to your truth.

BrTom - Father, we ask your blessing on those who worship with us this evening.

BrTom - Please give everyone understanding and alert hearts. Help us to be attentive and to recieve the words you have for us.

BrTom - We thank you and praise you in Yahshua's name.

BrTom - HalleluYAH!!!!!!!

EliYah's message:

HalleluYah!!
As many of you are aware, 2 weeks ago I presented part 1 of what was to be a 2 part study on the issue of the headcoverings.
Due to some great questions that have been posed by others, it has caused me to dig even deeper into the subject.
Because of this, the study has been expanded to 3 parts. Part 3 will be shared next week (Yahweh willing).
This study is quite deep and will require a certain level of scriptural knowledge to understand. May Yahweh guide us into His will!
Recently, I was asked to provide evidence in the what is often called the 'Old testament' (I prefer to say Law and Prophets) that men ought not to cover their heads while prayer/prophesying.
On the surface, it would seem contradictory that Paul would say that men ought not cover their heads when it is written in the Law that the Priests 'must' cover their heads
We find in scripture that the High Priest wore a mitre ( Heb. mitsnepheth):

Exodus 29:6 - And thou shalt put the mitre upon his head, and put the holy crown upon the mitre.

Leviticus 16:4 - He shall put on the holy linen coat, and he shall have the linen breeches upon his flesh, and shall be girded with a linen girdle, and with the linen mitre shall he be attired: these are holy garments; therefore shall he wash his flesh in water, and so put them on.

It seems that the other priests wore a 'turban/bonnet' (Heb. migba`ah)
As I will share, the headcovering of the priest represents the righteousness of Yahushua the Messiah.
For a man to be in the presence of Almighty Yahweh, he certainly must have righteousness upon him!
So let's look into the word of Yahweh and prove that the priestly headcovering represents the righteousness of Yahushua the Messiah:

Exodus 39:27 - And they made coats of fine linen of woven work for Aaron, and for his sons,

Exodus 39:28 - And a mitre of fine linen, and goodly bonnets of fine linen, and linen breeches of fine twined linen,

This word "goodly" in this verse (Heb. 6287 Pe'er) according to Brown Driver Briggs lexicon means "head-dress, ornament, turban"
yet its root word is Strongs "Pa'ar" which means "to glorify"!!
We have already discussed that the glory of Yahushua the Messiah must be upon our heads while in His presence (such as in prayer or prophesying).
This word translated "goodly" (Hebrew word "Pe'er) apparently later was understood as meaning 'headcovering/turban' when we read the story where Ezekiel was not to mourn for his deceased wife.

Ezekiel 24:16 - Son of man, behold, I take away from thee the desire of thine eyes with a stroke: yet neither shalt thou mourn nor weep, neither shall thy tears run down.

Ezekiel 24:17 - Forbear to cry, make no mourning for the dead, bind the tire of thine head upon thee, and put on thy shoes upon thy feet, and cover not thy lips, and eat not the bread of men.

The Hebrew word that is translated "tire of thine head" (translated 'turban' in other translations) is none other than "Pe'er"!
So this strongly indicates that "Pe'er" can indeed mean turban or head covering
Let's now read a portion of Isaiah that Yahshua said He had fulfilled and will continue to fulfill:

Isaiah 61:1 - The Spirit of the Master YAHWEH is upon me; because YAHWEH hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Isaiah 61:2 - To proclaim the acceptable year of YAHWEH, and the day of vengeance of our Elohim; to comfort all that mourn;

After the words "To proclaim the acceptable year of YAHWEH" we find that Yahushua stopped reading while quoting this in Luke 4
Then He said "Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing"
What He had yet to fulfill was "and the day of vengeance of our Elohim; to comfort all that mourn"
Along with the following verse

Isaiah 61:3 - To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of YAHWEH, that he might be glorified.

Note that one of the things that Yahweh said Yahushua would do is give His people "beauty for ashes".
Ashes were often put upon the heads of those who were in great distress.
Yahshua said that He would give us "beauty" instead.
Or so we read :)
A startling revelation is that this word "Beauty" is actually the Hebrew word "Pe'er" which we described above as meaning "head-dress, ornament, turban".
Remembering that the root word of "Pe'er" is "Pa'ar" (meaning "to glorify") we can truly understand that this is yet another parallel showing that it is the glory from Yahushua the Messiah that will cover our heads!!
(rather than ashes!)
Perhaps the ashes (created by burning) represent what we might have had without Yahushua the Messiah....Death and damnation by burning in the lake of fire!
So rather than ashes..we receive the glory of Yahweh..Yahushua the Messiah's righteousness upon us!
Now let's read this last verse again:

Isaiah 61:3 - To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of YAHWEH, that he might be glorified.

"that He (Yahweh) might be glorified"
Only with the glory of Yahweh that comes from Yahushua the Messiah can we truly be "trees of righteousness" for it must be His righteousness that covers us
Now the following point will put this point into concrete.. it is important that we understand this
As we talked about 2 weeks ago, it is because Yahushua's glory is covering us that WE are the glory and image of Yahweh
Now look at the last portion of this verse:

3b The oil of joy for mourning, The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; That they may be called trees of righteousness,

The planting of Yahweh, that He may be glorified
We have the glory of Yahweh upon our heads, we are trees of righteousness...'that (Yahweh) may be glorified!'
It is only when we have Yahshua's righteousness upon us and Yahweh's glory upon us that we are the true image and GLORY OF YAHWEH.
And only Yahushua can give us the head covering of His righteousness in exchange for ashes!
So yet again we see that we are the glory of Yahweh through the righteousness of Yahushua the Messiah upon us!
This is displayed beautifully in Isaiah with the headcovering imagery! Let's look at yet another verse proving this:

Exodus 28:39 - And thou shalt embroider the coat of fine linen, and thou shalt make the mitre of fine linen, and thou shalt make the girdle of needlework.

Exodus 28:40 - And for Aaron's sons thou shalt make coats, and thou shalt make for them girdles, and bonnets shalt thou make for them, for glory and for beauty.

Note that again, the head covering is for 'glory and beauty'. "Glory" is the most often translated word for both of the Hebrew words
here that are translated 'glory and beauty'!
Yet again, let's furthur verify this. The material used for the turbans is linen.
This is verified in the next verse:

Leviticus 16:4 - He shall put on the holy linen coat, and he shall have the linen breeches upon his flesh, and shall be girded with a linen girdle, and with the linen mitre shall he be attired: these are holy garments; therefore shall he wash his flesh in water, and so put them on.

It is noteworthy that the material for the head covering is linen. According to Revelations, linen is a symbol for righteousness:

Revelations 19:7 - "Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready."

Revelations 19:8 - And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

So it can be clearly seen what the headcovering has ALWAYS represented...the glory of Yahweh through the righteousness of Yahushua the Messiah!!!
This righteousness MUST be upon our heads!
Now that we know that the headcoverings of the priests represented the righteousness that one would receive in Yahushua the Messiah, should we (who have been sanctified and redeemed unto Yahweh by the righteousness of Yahushua the Messiah...the glory of Yahweh..and our salvation) have any need for any other covering than Yahushua the Messiah upon us?
Certainly not! We need not dishonor our Master Yahushua by placing anything upon our heads..the headcovering we have now is clearly Yahushua the Messiah!
Even though the standard of Righteousness has not changed as defined in the law of Yahweh, our position before Yahweh HAS.
We do not any longer need a cloth representing righteousness and glory to come in the presence of Yahweh, we can come bodly to the holiest by the true veil:

Hebrews 10:19 - Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Yahushua,

Hebrews 10:20 - by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh,

Hebrews 10:21 - and having a High Priest over the house of YAHWEH,

Hebrews 10:22 - let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

Hebrews 10:23 - Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful.

HalleluYah! Time and time again it is revealed that there is more written about Yahushua in the Law and Prophets than there is in what is called "New Testament" scripture!
The more one reads what is called the "New Testament", the more he will find what is called the "Old Testament" within! In my mind there is no 'new testament' or 'old testament', it is all scripture and it is all the will and word of Yahweh!
Now let's begin looking into the necessity that a woman wear a head covering.
It is almost completely necessary that the meaning of a man not covering his head in prayer be fully understood before one can begin to understand the importance of a woman needing to cover her head in prayer.
This was covered in even greater detail 2 weeks ago in part 1 of this study. I encourage all to please read it. Now let's move on to the headcovering of a woman.
First let's look at the principles involved in 1Corinthians. The backdrop to the entire chapter is the following verse:

1Corinthians 11:3 - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is the Messiah; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of the Messiah is YAHWEH.

Why is this even mentioned?
As we will see, it has to do with the woman receiving the glory of Yahshua through the man.
This leads us to another principle we have established. The image and glory of Yahweh is the man who has the righteousness of Yahshua the Messiah upon him. But what is the glory of man?

1Corinthians 11:7 - For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of YAHWEH: but the woman is the glory of the man.

This scripture says that the woman is the glory of man. This is important to know.
As I said in the beginning of this study, the whole point of this entire chapter is that we cover our own glory but let Yahweh's glory shine forth. Now, what is a glory to the woman?

1Corinthians 11:15 - But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

Please note that the greek word used for 'covering' here is different than the greek word used for 'cover' in all of the previous verses. Both can mean 'cover' but both cover in a different way.
This verse states that the hair of a woman is a woman's glory.
Now while it is true that the hair covers a woman's head, it is also true that the veil will cover both her head and her hair!
Again, this scripture accurately states that the hair covers the head of the woman.
However, her long hair is a glory to her therefore it ALSO must be covered by the veil! This is proven when we read the earlier verses of this chapter:

1Corinthians 11:5 - But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

1Corinthians 11:6 - For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

Now, I would like to read those scriptures with the facts that we have currently established:
1. The head of the woman is man.
2. The woman is the glory of the man.
3. The hair is a woman's glory.
With this understanding, let's insert the facts (based on scripture) into the verses:

1Cor 11:5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered (glory is revealed) dishonors her head

(husband), for that is one and the same as if she were shaven (her glory removed but man's glory [the woman] remains
uncovered)
Try again :)

1Cor 11:5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered (glory is revealed) dishonors her head (husband), for that is one and the same as if she were shaven (her glory removed but man's glory [the woman] remains uncovered)

It is important to read the above carefully
If a woman prayed with her veil removed, it would be like having her hair shaven. Why?
Because in both cases she is rejecting the authority of the man in her prayer! Whether she prays with her glory (hair) revealed or her hair shaven, it still is either the glory of woman (her hair) or the glory of man (woman) present during in her prayer!
Both the man and woman should keep their own glory covered while praying or prophesying and only let the glory of Yahweh (Yahushua, the brightness of His glory) through the uncovered head of the man be made manifest.
We must keep our own glory covered!
This is why we are commanded to pray in Yahushua's name and why such prayer is powerful - because Yahweh looks at His Son's glorious righteousness shining through the uncovered man!
In this way neither the man's nor the woman's prayers will be hindered! The man and woman need to be in right relationship to each other in Yahweh's sight.

1Corinthians 11:11 - Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in YAHWEH.

With a woman's headcovering, both the glory of man (the woman) and the glory of woman (her hair) are covered. But Yahweh's glory (the man, the image and glory of Yahweh through Yahushua's righteousness upon him) is uncovered!
A woman covering her head indicates her respect for her husband's role before Yahweh!
The importance of this relationship is also expressed in the following verse which we see is related to the effectiveness of prayer!

1Peter 3:5 - For in this manner, in former times, the holy women who trusted in YAHWEH also adorned themselves, being submissive to their own husbands,

1Peter 3:6 - as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him master, whose daughters you are if you do good and are not afraid with any terror.

1Peter 3:7 - Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the favor of life, that your prayers may not be hindered.

So to review, there are 2 problems with a woman not covering her head in prayer.
First, the prayer dishonors her head (the man) by ignoring his authority in Yahshua.
Secondly, it is a prayer with HER glory being manifest rather than letting the glory of Yahweh be manifest (Yahshua) through the man.
In both cases she is attempting to proclaim the glory of man or glory of woman rather than the letting glory of Yahweh (which is Yahushua, the image and glory of Yahweh) shine forth through the man in her prayer.
This is why the discussion begins with this verse:

1Corinthians 11:3 - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is the Messiah; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of the Messiah is YAHWEH.

It has everything to do with the chain of authority in Yahshua.
Let's recap the facts:
1. The head of the woman is man.
2. The woman is the glory of the man.
3. The hair is a woman's glory.
4. Only the glory of Yahweh should be present in prayer or prophesying.
5. We are to cover our own glory
These facts are furthur established in verse 6.

1Corinthians 11:6 - For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

Let's insert these facts into the verse:

6 - For if the woman be not covered (her own glory being manifested), let her also be shorn (cut off that glory): but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven (her glory cut off), let her be covered (veil her own glory and the glory of man).

So it is better to uncover the glory of man (the woman) by shaving off the hair than to uncover the glory of woman (her hair) while praying. If you aren't going to cover both the head and the hair with a veil, shave off the head so that your own selfish glory be not manifested!
Please note that this is not an interpretation based on history books or conjecture but this is an interpretation based on what is said in the chapter itself.
Oftentimes it is easier for us to look to another source for information on how to interpret Paul's writings but it can be found time and time again that Paul gives the reasons for what he is saying right there in the context of the verse and almost every single time it comes from the "Old Testament" scripture! In this case he is referring back to Genesis.
There is another interpretation out there concerning this chapter that I feel needs addressed
Some would like to say that the above verses should be interpreted this way:

1Cor 11:5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered (has short hair) dishonors her head

(man), for that is one and the same as if she were shaven (completely cut off)
Would it really dishonor the husband so much if a woman had short hair?
It seems more likely that it would dishonor the woman because her own glory is removed!
In this light, how can short hair be the same as shaven hair?
Either short hair/shaven hair is the same or short hair/shaven hair is different
If they are the same, then the verse doesn't make any sense. If they are different, then why does it say they are 'one and the same'?
Continuing ..

6 - For if the woman be not covered (her hair is short), let her also be shorn(cut all the hair off): but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven (her hair all cut off), let her be covered (have long hair).

Thus it can not be speaking of the difference between having long hair and short hair while in prayer to Yahweh. Here are several reasons:
1. There is no reason in scripture as to why a woman having short hair would be dishonoring her head (man).
2. Having short hair is not really one and the same as being shaven.
3. Where does one draw the line between short hair and long hair? It is very debatable at what point a hair would become long.
4. The woman with long hair is not covering her glory as scripture clearly states should be done.
5. Once a person has short hair they cannot grow it back quickly, whereas this seems to be the expectation of verse 6
6. If long hair/short hair were the issue here then it would be a problem at ALL times, not just during praying and prophesying.
7. Paul says a man should be uncovered because he is the image and glory of Yahweh. The long hair/short hair doctrine totally misses this important point.
8. A man having short hair has nothing to do with the image and glory of Yahweh through Yahshua the Messiah.
With the veil covering the head and hair of a woman, a man's glory is covered..the woman. A woman's glory is covered..her hair. But Yahweh's glory (Yahshua, the sinless perfect image) in His presence is uncovered!
Let's recap the facts concerning the veiling of a woman:
1. The woman is the glory of the man.
2. The long hair of a woman is a glory to her.
3. The long hair of a woman covers her head.
4. The veil covers both the hair (her glory) and the woman (the glory of the man).
5. Only the glory of Yahweh should be present in prayer or prophesying.
5. We are to cover our own glory
The woman must go through the man in order to receive the glory of Yahweh through Yahushua the Messiah. Even so, the man can only receive the glory of Yahweh through Yahushua the Messiah. This is truly very beautiful and in full context of 1 Corinthians 11.
Next week, I plan on going through the entirety of 1 cor. 11. Yahweh willing, we will go into greater detail as to why a woman should have her head covered.
We also will be discussing the imagery of the headcovering and how it relates to authority, protection and glory in the relationship of a man and his wife.
Yahweh's word is truly full of mystery. The more it is read, the more Yahushua is revealed in it!
He is truly 'THE WORD'! So many blessings come when we are given understanding.
It is my prayer that this study has and will continue to give us His truth.
May Yahweh bless you all!!

End

Ebed - Praise Yahweh!

BrPoet - \0/\0/\0/\0/HalleluYah\0/\0/0/\0/

BrTom - Praise Yahweh \o/ \o/ \o/

dhugh - Your message was excellent!

BrPoet - Great message ERliYah

Ruth - HalleluYah!!!!!!

BrPoet - EliYah

Dove - Praise Yahweh! Thank you for your teaching, EliYah.

EliYah - Praise Yahweh!

BrBob - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ - HALLELUYAH - \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/

EliYah - Are there any questions or added comments?

Ruth - WOW....!!!!

BrTom - Looking forward to part three.

Dove - We are to cover our heads ANYTIME we are praying? Even if we are alone? As a sign of respect and submission?

dhugh - Very eye opening!!

Ruth - I think so Dove....

Dove - That's very beautiful.

EliYah - Yes, Dove

DOROTA - PRAISE YAHWEH FOR SALVATION

EliYah - It's awesome!

Dove - When I was very young, and we went to the Episcopal church, every woman knew to cover her head. What ever happened to that?

DOROTA - WELL DONE

Joel - together with concern

BrHoss - talmidim, are you who I think you are?

Dove - No. I'm Dove.

Ruth - We got wordly Dove.....

BrTom - Hi Talmidim

BrTom - Welcome

EliYah - Worldly is right

BrHoss - Shabbat Shalom talmidim

Dove - I used to be SDA. and they are a pretty proper group. But no one where's head coverings

Ruth - ooops - 'worldly' - hehehehe

Dove - wears

Dove - What kind of a head covering?

BrBill - EliYah I just heard that Ice Dove is very sick have you heard anything about her coondition?

EliYah - All I know is that she is in a coma

EliYah - last I heard

BrTom - A pretty, proper group?

Ebed - :)

BrBill - Oh, ok :(

EliYah - Are there any prayer requests?

Prayer Service Witheld..

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