I was wondering if anyone has heard of, or know of a person who has memorised the whole of Torah? From Bereshit to Debarim, word for word. In a similar way Muslims recite the Qur'an.

Does anyone think its possible realistically possible?

Shalom ba mashiyah.

The Quran is much much larger than the Torah, so its not far fetched to believe that a person can memorize 5 books.

I know Temani Jews are well versed in Torah, wasnt sure if they knew it word for word though. I always thought the Qur'an was smaller than Torah? I checked it out once, and there are more words in the Torah than there are in the Qur'an. But yeh yur right, if people can recite the Qur'an, it must be possible to recite Torah.

But yes, Torah is memorizable.

This is quoted from my web site, and fits into this topic well.

When I think about memorizing the Holy scriptures, it reminds me of these:

2Pet 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

I know many that memorized most of the Torah or Tanach, and I only know a few that believe Yahshua is YHWH's Messiah, while the rest are either awaiting for another Messiah, and to bring them earthly peace, etc..

John 8:42 Yahshua said unto them, If Elohim were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from Elohim; neither came I of myself, but He sent me.

It seems the majority of people that know the older and/or newer written scriptures in full or part are overlooking the entire purpose.

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2Thess 2:10 and with all deceit of unrighteousness for them that perish; because they received not the LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause Elohim sendeth them workings of error, that they should believe lies.

YHWH is the Love of the truth, and the truth is the Word of YHWH. The purpose for the Word is to receive in HEART, and live in the Love thereof forever, and to share that TRUE LOVE with ALL others. That's sharing the Word in power, and is the power of the Word that Yahshua shared with us "the Father within him", and the kingdom comes in that power, and so that we and all others might become one as they are one.

In fact Yahshua commanded it to us:

John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

What it amounts to is, no matter how many scriptures someone has learned about, if they don't love one another "including their enemies, neighbors, etc..", then what good have they gained?, and will they be judged much more?, and did they personally know YHWH?, even though they knew much about Him.

1John 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they as of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of Elohim: he that knoweth Elohim heareth us; he who is not of Elohim heareth us not. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of Elohim; and every one that loveth is begotten of Elohim, and knoweth Elohim. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not Elohim; for Elohim is love. 9 Herein was the love of Elohim manifested in us, that Elohim hath sent his only begotten Son into the world that we might live through him.

To die in sins is the breaking of the two greatest commandments, and loving one another can cover many sins (1Pe 4:8).

Mat 22:36 Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 And he said unto him, Thou shall love Yahweh thy Elohim with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second like unto it is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40 On these two commandments the whole law hangeth, and the prophets.

People need to get their heart and priorities straight, and knowing all the scriptures could prove to be much worse on judgment day if they were not truly loving YHWH with their all, and loving one another by His spirit. To give YHWH anything less than our all must mean we were willfully holding back, or sinning, or too busy for Him by chasing after worldly - fleshly things.

No matter how many scriptures one might know, or who someone claims to know, we can tell by the love they reveal. What someone says and does comes from the spirit that dwells within their heart, and that confirms the spirit within them that they are living for and exalting.

It's wise to listen to what the spirit is saying, but first one must know that true love is. It's seems many in this world today are not even understanding who true love is, and what true love consists of. True Love is abiding in YHWH's truth "Holy Word", and He is the Love therein that we receive thereof.

It's my prayer and most heart desire that many more people will lay His living Word into their heart for the purpose of Loving YHWH with their all always. It's impossible to Love YHWH with our all, if we don't love all others.

Those two commandments go together for the purpose loving YHWH, and giving him full glory, and that His spirit may be manifested throughout the world.

Love is the power of the Word, and we must not deny the power thereof, or our speech and works are worthless without proper effect.

Yohanan

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Originally posted by Yahwehwitnesses:
Shalom,

This is quoted from my web site, and fits into this topic well.

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Shalom, I hope you had a blessed Shabbat akhi.

I hope you dont mind me commenting on a few things, I would like to share a few things.

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When I think about memorizing the Holy scriptures, it reminds me of these:

2Pet 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

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I definitely agree with what is said here, if we read the whole chapter it really tells of an interesting insight. Peter reveals the other side of the paradox that Paul was teaching about the different levels of Torah. And Peter is showing how our keeping the Torah (the right way) and/or our lack thereof will result.

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John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

I know many that memorized most of the Torah or Tanach, and I only know a few that believe Yahshua is YHWH's Messiah, while the rest are either awaiting for another Messiah, and to bring them earthly peace, etc..

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In due time my friend, the waves of awakening has already set forth. More and more people from both sides are looking in the same direction and at the same path. Remember, YHVH blinded the Jews from Messiah and blinded the Gentiles from Torah. But the prophecy states that the Jews will not be blind anymore once the fullness of the Gentiles do t'shuvah.

You would be surprised how many Yeshua-believing Orthodox Jews there were there yesterday and are here today, who do have the entire Torah memorized. I know quite a few.

Those who do not see, They are not waiting for another Messiah, they dont think it's the 'Jesus' because the lie is so deep that its blinding. But when the Gentiles return and they see that it was Yeshua all along... they will realize that the Messiah they are waiting for now is the Messiah who already came and is coming back. And then Yeshua would have fulfilled all prophecy when he returns, the part that they are waiting for... world peace and world learning Torah.

There is a reason why YHVH had those who do not see be the protectors of the Torah. So, the fullness will come in.

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John 8:42 Yahshua said unto them, If Elohim were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from Elohim; neither came I of myself, but He sent me.

It seems the majority of people that know the older and/or newer written scriptures in full or part are overlooking the entire purpose.

This is why >>

2Thess 2:10 and with all deceit of unrighteousness for them that perish; because they received not the LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause Elohim sendeth them workings of error, that they should believe lies.

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The Erev Rav.

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YHWH is the Love of the truth, and the truth is the Word of YHWH. The purpose for the Word is to receive in HEART, and live in the Love thereof forever, and to share that TRUE LOVE with ALL others. That's sharing the Word in power, and is the power of the Word that Yahshua shared with us "the Father within him", and the kingdom comes in that power, and so that we and all others might become one as they are one.

In fact Yahshua commanded it to us:

John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

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Amein.

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What it amounts to is, no matter how many scriptures someone has learned about, if they don't love one another "including their enemies, neighbors, etc..", then what good have they gained?, and will they be judged much more?, and did they personally know YHWH?, even though they knew much about Him.

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Amein.

This is the essence of Chasidut, the level of Torah teachings that represents the highest form of the Torah, the Spirit. Chasidut explains that we can elevate everything, we can reach the goal, if we keep the Torah with Love of our Father, love of our neighbor (people, animals, plants, etc) and love of ourself. It is no wonder why Yeshua's teachings are identical to the fundemental principles of Chasidic teachings.

This is why I know. Those Sages who many think they all dont see, really do see and recognized the prophecy and what had to be done... and encoded the essence of Yeshua within their teachings so that the message is still getting out to those who do see, and those who dont see but keep the Torah...

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1John 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they as of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of Elohim: he that knoweth Elohim heareth us; he who is not of Elohim heareth us not. By this we know the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of Elohim; and every one that loveth is begotten of Elohim, and knoweth Elohim. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not Elohim; for Elohim is love. 9 Herein was the love of Elohim manifested in us, that Elohim hath sent his only begotten Son into the world that we might live through him.

To die in sins is the breaking of the two greatest commandments, and loving one another can cover many sins (1Pe 4:8).

Mat 22:36 Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 And he said unto him, Thou shall love Yahweh thy Elohim with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second like unto it is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40 On these two commandments the whole law hangeth, and the prophets.

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Amein.

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People need to get their heart and priorities straight, and knowing all the scriptures could prove to be much worse on judgment day if they were not truly loving YHWH with their all, and loving one another by His spirit. To give YHWH anything less than our all must mean we were willfully holding back, or sinning, or too busy for Him by chasing after worldly - fleshly things.

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You are absolutely right, the Torah's message is Love, that is its core. When the world realizes that this is what the Torah is all about from beginning to end, wonderful things will happen.

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No matter how many scriptures one might know, or who someone claims to know, we can tell by the love they reveal. What someone says and does comes from the spirit that dwells within their heart, and that confirms the spirit within them that they are living for and exalting.

It's wise to listen to what the spirit is saying, but first one must know that true love is. It's seems many in this world today are not even understanding who true love is, and what true love consists of. True Love is abiding in YHWH's truth "Holy Word", and He is the Love therein that we receive thereof.

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Have you ever studied Chasidut? I think you would love it to life. Its approach to Torah is fundamentally the same as Yeshua teachings of Torah. You will find Yeshua's essence so intertwined within the fabric of Chasidut.

With YHVH's blessing, He allowed me to come into contact with alot of people that I know, who I feel really do know true love and live with the spirit vibrant inside of them with love for YHVH and His Word. I do not deserve this blessing, but it shows me that YHVH truly is a merciful and loving Creator.

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It's my prayer and most heart desire that many more people will lay His living Word into their heart for the purpose of Loving YHWH with their all always. It's impossible to Love YHWH with our all, if we don't love all others.

Those two commandments go together for the purpose loving YHWH, and giving him full glory, and that His spirit may be manifested throughout the world.

Love is the power of the Word, and we must not deny the power thereof, or our speech and works are worthless without proper effect.

Yohanan

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Amein akhi.... thanks a million for sharing. Excellent words.

ha'derekh ha'emet va'ha'chayim Yeshua Rabbeynu Moshiacheynu yeshua'tekha.

Thank you for your reply. I have much to share with you on this, but I'm going to be busy today. I will e-mail you.