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Watchman555

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posted 03-09-2007 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Watchman555     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shalom,

Scripture and Witchcraft

The word witchcraft brings about images of women in dark pointy hats standing over cauldrons stirring smoldering contents while chanting rhymes calling upon the forces of darkness. What does Scripture actually say witchcraft is and how does that line up with our beliefs that have been handed down from generation to generation?

Witchcraft defined

Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft (5331), hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of Elohim.

Pharmakeia (far-mak-i'-ah); Word Origin: Greek, Noun Feminine, Strong #: 5331

The use or the administering of drugs, poisoning. sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it Metaphorically: the deceptions and seductions of idolatry

This is from the root word:

Pharmakeus (far-mak-yoos'); Noun Masculine, Strong #: 5332

One who prepares or uses magical remedies sorcerer

The drug industry is recognized as the Pharmaceutical Industry!

Webster's Dictionary defines pharmaceutical as:

From the Greek word Pharmakeia, to practice witchcraft, use medicine, a poison, medicine 1. Of pharmacy or pharmacists. 2. Of or by drugs: as, pharmaceutical cure.

Revelation 18:23
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in you; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in you: for your merchants were the great men of the earth; for by their sorceries (5331)were all nations deceived.

Revelation 9:21
Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries,(5331) nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

In Yahusha's Name, who Himself bore our sins in His body on the timber, so that we, having died to sins, might live unto righteousness by whose stripes you were healed,

Watchman555

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posted 03-10-2007 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for helpmeet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Watchman555:

Pharmakeus (far-mak-yoos'); Noun Masculine, Strong #: 5332

One who prepares or uses magical remedies sorcerer

The drug industry is recognized as the Pharmaceutical Industry!

Webster's Dictionary defines pharmaceutical as:

From the Greek word Pharmakeia, to practice witchcraft, use medicine, a poison, medicine 1. Of pharmacy or pharmacists. 2. Of or by drugs: as, pharmaceutical cure.

[b]Revelation 18:23
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in you; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in you: for your merchants were the great men of the earth; for by their sorceries (5331)were all nations deceived.

Revelation 9:21
Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries,(5331) nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

In Yahusha's Name, who Himself bore our sins in His body on the timber, so that we, having died to sins, might live unto righteousness by whose stripes you were healed,

Watchman555

[/B]


Good Morning Watchman,

When I read this article the other day I thought about the note you wrote. It appears that Pharmaceutical companies are putting their sorcery into our food supply. The ramifications of this are unthinkable...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=440302&in_page_id=1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=NEWS&ct=5

blessings,
~victoria

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Watchman555

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Shalom, shalom,
When there is no shalom?

We all know that in the Scripture we see that sicknesses can be caused by demonic spirits. Has anybody noticed the increasing number of pharmaceutical commercials on the TV? The pharmaceutical companies are one of the top 5 industries in the world. This is a fact. Has anybody noticed that many of these pharmaceutical commercials have little demonic-looking creatures causing the illness? Such as Lamisil, the one for toenail fungus, in which the creature pulls up the toenail and crawls underneath. http://www.lamisil.com/index.jsp?usertrack.filter_applied=true&NovaId=222964497229734 5440 Of course there is the ‘magical’ cure for it. A pill. Not just any pill, a patented pill. What about the one for the sinus infection with the little booger-bloobers? Of course, there is another ‘magical’ cure for that, Mucinex. http://www.mucinex.com/ As a matter of fact, the booger-bloober is afraid of the Mucinex, it’s upset when the human takes it. What about the commercial for the migraine headaches? There’s a creature pounding away with a hammer inside the human’s head. What about the pretty little glowy-green moth, Lunesta. http://www.lunesta.com/ Just leave the rest to Lunesta. Yet Scripture says that Yahuah gives sleep to those whom He loves (Psalms 127:2).

What’s the point? The point is this is a mocking from hasatan. It is a preemptive strike from the enemy. For if we were to tell people that these symptoms and sicknesses are caused by demons, the popular response would be, “You’ve been watching too much TV”.

Now if you’re paying attention to these commercials you will learn that by taking these ‘magical’ pharmaceutical cures there are side-effects. Notice how they run by them real quick and speak them really fast? Pay attention. We are being shown something here. These are parameters. Hasatan knows that the pharmaceutical drugs are sorceries; directly related to witchcraft. In that, demons are allowed to infiltrate those who take these drugs (sorceries), but working in a set of parameters. What started out as something such as mucus, toenail fungus, headache, or lack of sleep now becomes an open gate for a myriad of other symptoms/demons carrying out their function.

If we know that Yahusha’s authority, (that He has given us, as believers, the authority over sicknesses, illnesses, diseases, principalities, and powers) why do we turn to the world and the pharmaceutical companies for their ‘magical’ sorcery remedies? Yahuah is our Rapha, our Healer. So again why do we turn to the world? A popular response to this is, “G*d gave man doctors”, but I ask you this, where in Scripture do we see any teaching to go to the world for cures? I see only one Physician mentioned in Scripture. That is Yahusha. As a matter of fact, I believe He is mentioned as our Great Physician. Now, if we’re going to the world for cures do we truly trust in Yahusha? Is this true belief? Are the doctors truly set up by Elohim? To whom to they swear their oath to? Check this link to see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath Please read the old oath and the new one. Please see who they are swearing to. Please, please consider this.

Romans 14:23b: All that is not of belief is sin.

Rev. 2:10-11: “Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. See, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, in order to try you, and you shall have pressure ten days. Be trustworthy until death, and I shall give you the crown of life. 11 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies. He who overcomes shall by no means be harmed by the second death.”

Could this verse be applied? Are we willing to suffer an illness to death for the esteem of Elohim? Yahusha was willing to suffer the stake for our transgressions and by His stripes we are healed. Do we truly trust in Elohim when we turn to the world for their ways of cures; which are obviously sorceries?

IF taking pharmaceutical medication, which is by definition sorcery, which is sin, have we resisted unto blood, even?

Ibrim 12:4: You have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Remember the story about Lazarus? Scripture does not mention that he went to any kind of physician when he was sick. As a matter of fact, Yahusha let Him go to sleep that the Father might be esteemed in that miracle.

With all concern,

Watchman555

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Originally posted by Watchman555:

Yahuah is our Rapha, our Healer. So again why do we turn to the world? A popular response to this is, “G*d gave man doctors”, but I ask you this, where in Scripture do we see any teaching to go to the world for cures? I see only one Physician mentioned in Scripture. That is Yahusha.


Hi Watchman,

I agree with you in principle, and for those who have the faith, i wouldn't dream of gainsaying their healings, and praise Yahweh for them.

However, Yahweh is merciful, not willing that any should perish, and not getting sadistic pleasure at people's suffering; and for those who are either ignorant, or simply don't have as much faith as you, i believe that Yahweh indeed allowed for another way to relieve their suffering, albeit with much expense and possible side-effects.

The "other" physician mentioned in Scripture is Luke:

Col 4:14 Luke, the beloved physician, and Demas, greet you.

Mt 9:12 But when Yahshua heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

Pr 17:22 A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.

My own experince with "divine healing" was disappointing. I was taught in my former assembly that going to doctors & using medicine was "sin" (they have since moderated that position), and that we should always ONLY get anointed & prayed for as instructed in Jas.5:14. So when i had a swelling & pain in my elbow (like bursitis or something similar), i went to the "elder" and got anointed. After waiting a week or 2 for it to get better, it only got worse, and finally when it got unbearable, my "faith" gave out, and i went to a doctor, got some medicine, and almost immediate relief. Maybe i did the wrong thing, but i'll leave that to Yahweh to judge.

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Watchman555

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Shalom and tov health to you Chuck Baldwin,
And to all,

Thank you for showing interest in the post. One of my main concerns is that people understand exactly what pharmacia is. I know it is used by believers as well as unbelievers. We have been shown a great understanding in this area and it has been given to us without cost, so we must share it also. The understanding of what we have shared concerning demonic influences in sickness, illnesses, and diseases I believe is grossly overlooked by the Messianic communities. We could give you a long list of medical problems we¡¦ve had in the past that have been healed. Our symptoms have decreased tremendously, and I don't really like to call them sicknesses, we prefer to call them symptoms because we realize they are attacks from the enemy. I have spoken in on myself in the past, "I only get sick once a year", and of course, once a year I would get sick. It was one of those name-it-claim-it deals. I was actually giving the enemy legal grounds to cause a sickness once a year. Since we have learned our authority over these spirits of sickness we still do get attacked, but a cold that would normally last two weeks last about one to two days. Because of what we've learned, I will strive to never again say, "I am getting sick", "I am catching a cold", "I have this", or "I have that". Because we stand firm in the belief and cast them out. Just like Yahusha showed us.

We don't share this for anyone to feel like they don't have belief; we share this to encourage and to build belief by witness and example. We're not saying that you were wrong for going to the doctor. You did what you felt you needed to do. We just want to uplift you and reassure you that there is true healing in Yahusha. I find it interesting that you went to the 'elder' and had him anoint you for healing and, this is Scriptural. But it didn't work. In which, this could have caused more harm in your belief concerning healing than it should have. I am in wonderment whether this 'elder' had taken authority over any unclean spirits that might have been hindering you?

If I might give one example? There are unclean spirits which are pain intensifiers. That is their function. Have you ever stubbed your toe and felt that excruciating pain that goes with it? You think, "I barely stubbed my toe and it hurts like all get out¨ I've been there and have been shown what to do concerning this. First of all I repented for ever accepting any pain that was not a naturally occurring pain, Yahuah did give us nerve endings you know, lol . At that point, any legal ground these pain intensifiers had was broken. Then I simply cast them out in the Name of Yahusha. Now, when I stub my toe it does not hurt anything like it did before; thus reassurance that this is real. If one would simply do this it would fulfil one of Yahusha's requirements of belief (Mark 16:17-18). That would be cast out spirits in His Name. When we learn how to do this, at least for me, it started with myself. As my belief grew I now lay hands on my family members and they do get well. Praise to Yahuah.

We have many more testimonies and if any one would like us to share; we would love to; in order that we bring esteem to Yahuah and Yahusha and increase others' belief.

I believe in this modern day that we are living in the doctors are not considered what they might have been in Yahusha's day. I wasn't there, so I'm not too sure, but I do not think that Luke was involved in the alchemy in which the modern day pharmacists have evolved from. I would say he was probably more along the lines of an herbalist/general practitioner (cuts, broken bones, and things of that nature). If he was involved in the alchemy I would be sure Yahusha would have had him repent of that. Speaking of herbs, there are many alternative herbal remedies available if that is where one's belief is. I desire we all increase abundantly in our belief to truly overcome the enemy's attacks; because we can do this. I believe 100% that Yahusha desires we all be healthy and increase in our belief. Unless of course, it is curse of the law; which is an entirely different subject. Again, we are not making any judgment calls.

Like I said before the authority that we have been given in Yahusha is a great blessing, which I do not think is being spoken of enough.

With great concern and tov intentions for the Body of Messiah Yahusha,

Watchman555

P.S. Has anybody ever noticed the Walgreen's sign with the little mortar and pestle? The bubbling stars coming out of it? Alchemy??

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Hi Watchman,

Thank you for your information and compassionate reply. I'm reminded of a couple teaching sessions i went to a year or so ago, on the subject of "Spiritual Warfare" aka "Binding & Loosing", conducted by a Mike Abbaduska. His concept sounds very similar to yours, although his procedure seemed a little complex & detailed. But he said it was very successful in rebuking & restraining evil spirits that harrass us. Unfortunately, he said that only about 1.5% of believers were able to receive the teaching and practice it.

That doesn't speak to well of our generation, and i can only pray, "Father YHWH, increase our faith". Keep up the good work, and i'll try to remember and use some of the things you mentioned.

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Missy

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Shalom Watchman555,

Apt name for you. I see you are on the look out for information to help the people of YHWH.

Anyway, I don't think (and please correct me if I am wrong) that you are saying we shouldn't go to physicians or ever take medication to help a physical ailment...

But I was wondering do you have any sources to help people understand how to care for themselves without medications when they do have aliments ? I mean at times, people do get ill from time to time and do need some sort of medication of remedy.

Anyway, what I am asking is can you specifically recommend books, websites, magazines, or newsletters that can teach one about healthy living without a heavy dependence on pharmecuticals (sp?) ? I don't know if you are into natural herbs or anything like that.. I know these days a lot believers try to be as natural as possible and know a lot about herbs, home remedies, and home cures for different things...

Anyway, I would be very interested in examining and resources you may have on the subject.

I do have the book called, "The Maker's Diet" by the Messianic Jew named Jordan Rubin. It's pretty interesting but for some reason I didn't feel like
it was extensive enough.

So could you share a few of the sources you have ?


Shalom,
Missy

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Shalom Watchman

I have seen the truths from scripture that you state and agree totally.

When people would say that doctors are a gift from YHWH, I would think or say "Prove it from scripture". That Hippocratic oath was a real zinger!
Most doctors do not have scriptural practices such as prayer or annointing with oil, etc and better fit the description of a sorcerer rather than a healer if one were to judge them by the scriptures.

Doctors can't really do any healing. They mask symptoms with potions, destroy in order to 'save'(i.e. heart drugs that decimate your liver , or cancer treatments that 'save' your life but murder your immune system) and replace flesh and blood parts with metal and plastic.

YHWH is the REAL thing!
AND if YHWH heals then why do we even need a cheap substitute?
Some possible reasons:
1. His cost is too high for many (1)
2. Ignorance of the way (2)
3. Unskilled in the Word (3)
4. Deceived and the truth is choked out(4)
5. Lack of faith (5)
6. Fear (6)
And the list could go on and on.

Our family has weaned from the medical doctors over the last 20 years with the help of a holistic doctor and a growing trust in the ways of YHWH.

Weaning is an important concept
wean
–verb (used with object)
1. to accustom (a child or young animal) to food other than its mother's milk; cause to lose the need to suckle or turn to the mother for food.
2. to withdraw (a person, the affections, one's dependency, etc.) from some object, habit, form of enjoyment, or the like: The need to reduce had weaned us from rich desserts.

Heb 5:12 For indeed, although by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first elements of the Words of Elohim. And you have become such as need milk and not solid food.
Heb 5:13 For everyone partaking of milk isinexperienced in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14 But solid food is for the mature whose senses have been trained by practice to discern both good and evil.

I was quickly weaned in one instance when the doctors rejected me:
I was fortunate enough to be told by the doctors that there was nothing they could do for me (not a life threatening condition but definetly life-hindering) so I was left with NO option but to seek YHWH. Needless to say He is faithful and I am relieved of the condition.

But here is something I have learned in receiving Yah's word. It is a living seed. As real as an apple seed. When an apple seed is planted in the ground it will produce an apple tree with time and nurturing. We don't know how it all works but it does work. We usually have no trouble believing that if we put the seed in the ground, by some miraculous process, it will produce a sprout, then a tree and then apples! But it does require some patience.

So it is with YHWH's word.

You have presented excellent food for thought(seed)and meat regarding YHWH's word concerning the healing posers.

To those who wish to know how to apply:

It takes time for a person to come to a place of faith, a place of being fully persuaded.

The scriptures tell us to recieve the engrafted(KJV)word or implanted word.
Jam 1:21 Therefore put away all filthiness and overflow of evil, and receive with meekness the implanted Word, which is able to save your lives. Footnote: 1See Mt. 13:4-23.

The word has to be planted in our hearts and it will produce but it takes time and patience.
Isa 55:10 “For as the rain comes down, and the snow from the heavens, and do not return there, but water the earth, and make it bring forth and bud, and give seed to the sower and bread to the eater,
Isa 55:11 so is My Word that goes forth from My mouth – it does not return to Me empty, but shall do what I please, and shall certainly accomplish what I sent it for.

So when I see the truth I do not make it null and void by justifying my actions or lack of understanding but by seeking to understand and yet walking where I really am.

For instance, the situation I was dealing with when I realized this concept was jealousy. I was jealous for many years but everytime that I experienced it I would also acknowledge(7)that love is not jealous (envious)(8). I was out of line with YHWH's word but helpless to be anything different.

YHWH's truth was truth regardless of how I was acting or feeling or even doing. One day I noticed a different thought pattern in a situation that would have provoked me to jealousy and it was pure and peaceable. Then I realized that the word had germinated, taken root and now produced FRUIT. This took a considerable amount of time and no effort on my part seemed to accelerate the process. I could only acknowledge that YHWH's word is true and I was not in line with it even though I desired it with all my heart. I was unable to produce the fruit any faster than was necessary to produce that fruit. But YHWH's word is the seed and it produces the thing it was sent to do!

We must be like the patient farmer (9)

YHWH has set the time for an apple seed to grow from seed to apples. So it is with the fruit of the Spirit (10), allow it to grow to be SINCERE (11)

My point is that one needs to be able to accept the truth or receive the implanted word in order for it to produce fruit. It is possible to see and acknowledge the words that Watchman has written as truth without stopping your meds or never seeing a doctor again. It will take time for the word to germinate and develop root and then produce fruit but it will NEVER be able to do that if it is choked out with justifications or protection of a stronghold in order to stay congruent with what you are feeling or doing.

We CANNOT produce fruit by changing our actions (like stop going to doctors) but rather receiving the truth (YHWH is the ONLY healer) will change our actions.

So on your way to the doctor or the hospital or the pharmacy - REMEMBER

Exo 15:26 And He said, “If you diligently obey the voice of YHWH your Elohim and do what is right in His eyes, and shall listen to His commands and shall guard all His laws, I shall bring on you none of the diseases I brought on the Mitsrites, for I am YHWH who heals you.”

Not in condemnation to you but holding the truth and acknowledging YHWH in all your ways.

Realize it takes time to actually believe what you believe.

We want to be fully and sincerely persuaded and it may take time.

I hope this comes across the way I mean it . It seems so complex to write out in a post.

Shalom,
Sharon

(1)Deu 6:5 And you shall love YHWH your Elohim with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.
(2)Pro 29:18 Where there is no vision,(revelation) the people perish: but he that keeps the law, happy is he.
(3) Heb 5:13 For every one that uses milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
(4) Mat 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that hears the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful.
(5) Mat 13:58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
(6) Luk 8:50 And YHUShO, having heard, answered him, saying, “Do not be afraid, only believe, and she shall be healed.”
(7) Pro 3:6 In all your ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct your paths.
(8) 1Co 13:4 Love suffers long, and is kind; love envies not; love vaunts not itself, is not puffed up, ).
(9)Jam 5:7 Jam 5:7 So, brothers, be patient until the coming of the Master. See, the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain.
Jam 5:8 You too, be patient. Establish your hearts,
for the coming of the Master has drawn near.
(10)(Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, self-control: against such there is no law. & Eph 5:9 for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, and righteousness, and truth & hi 1:9 And this I pray, that your love might extend more and more in knowledge and all discernment,
(11)Phi 1:10 for you to examine the matters that differ, in order to be sincere, and not stumbling, until the day of Messiah,
Phi 1:11 being filled with the fruit of righteousness,1 through YHUShO Messiah, to the esteem and praise of Elohim. )

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Shalom Missy,

If you don't mind, we'll both answer your question.

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Anyway, I don't think (and please correct me if I am wrong) that you are saying we shouldn't go to physicians or ever take medication to help a physical ailment...

We feel that before you do anything you should seek Yahuah's will for you. As far as we're concerned, we would rather never see an earthly physician. However, with that being said, may I tell you what happened with the children?

Watchman555 and I were running an errand in town when we received a phone call from the neighbor informing us that Seth; the 12-year-old (at the time) had fallen out of a tree. His older brother was to have been watching him (16). We arrived at the neighbor's and Seth said his arm hurt. We sought the Father for His will and it was confirmed. We left for the hospital. After the standard forever-wait we were admitted and they took x-rays of the arm. The doctor showed me the x-rays. There appeared to be two cracks running across his arm, the doctor's verdict: Broken, in two places. They tried to get me to consent to an MRI since he had fallen; but I felt in my spirit not to do that, so I told them no. They put Seth's arm in a temporary splint, handed us the x-rays, told us to see the orthopaedic doctor the next day, and sent us on our way. On the way home Watchman prayed. By the time we arrived Seth said his arm felt better; it was about a 20 minute trip. Watchman was being prompted to see the x-rays so he asked for them. I handed them to him and he asked me to show him where the doctor said the cracks were. THEY WERE GONE. I knew where they were 'supposed' to be, the doctor showed them to me. It was the same x-rays; they have his name right on them. Yahuah healed Seth. His arm was still sore and tender, but after a week he was doing push-ups! The only reason we can imagine that Yahuah gave us the prompting to go to the hospital was to increase our faith.

Then there is Ginnie, when she was 12 (what is it about that age?) she was at her bio-dad's for the visitation weekend. When we went to pick her up on First-day afternoon we found that she had been bitten by the family dog. The dog weighs about 90 pounds. The former spouse did not call and tell us about this and told the children not to either. Needless to say I was upset, but HalleluYah Watchman was very calm. Arriving at home we began examining the wounds, apparently the bites had occurred about a day before, and there was redness and swelling around them. She had three punctures on her face and neck and two punctures on her wrist. There was a redline running up her arm from the wrist. We prayed. Yahuah again prompted us to go to the hospital; however, the warning was not to accept any medication that wasn't based on the natural. Once there, and the standard forever-wait, we got in. The doctor filled out a form that got the law involved and the dog was then 'marked' as a biter. Animal Control was going to take the dog; but the former spouse chose to find him a new home. That may have been the very reason Yahuah had us go. Here¡¦s an amazing part, the resident came in and was telling me about this new antibiotic that they have specifically for dog bite treatment, I asked him if it was based on natural penicillin, he told me no, but it was the best and don't I want the best for my daughter? I said I would only take natural-based penicillin or I couldn't give it to her for religious reasons. He said that the doctor would prescribe what he would prescribe and that was the end of that. We then heard the doctor from out in the hall way saying that he would prescribe the natural-based penicillin. We also broke any curses that may have been placed on that penicillin, in Yahusha's Name, of course. HalleluYah.

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But I was wondering do you have any sources to help people understand how to care for themselves without medications when they do have aliments ? I mean at times, people do get ill from time to time.

Like we said prayer, casting out the unclean spirits, and rebuking any symptoms. If you're prompted by Yahuah to use natural remedies there are a plethora of sources on the internet and usually a health food store has books you can look through to find information. We really don't have very many around here. We probably have more information here on spiritual warfare than herbal cures. But also in saying that the books that we do have on spiritual warfare were kind of a starting point and are more of dust collectors now; because we've been reveled many things that are not covered in these books.

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What I mean is.. can you specifically recommend books, websites, magazines, or newsletters that can teach one about healthy living without a heavy dependence on pharmecuticals (sp?) ? I don't know if you are into natural herbs or anything like that.. I know these days a lot believers try to be as natural as possible and know a lot about herbs, home remedies, and home curse for different things...

Anyway, I would be very interested in examining and resources you may have on the subject.
I do have the book called, "The Maker's Diet" by the Messianic Jew named Jordan Rubin. It's pretty interesting but for some reason I didn't feel like it was extensive enough.
So could you share a few of the sources you have ?


I do have the PDR For Herbal '¥Medicines', http://www.naturessunshine.com/index.asp has some tov things; just be sure the caps say kosher, some are and some aren't. We are very rarely attacked with symptoms, HalleluYah, so as we said previously, we don't have a lot of sources. Of course there's google.com where one can find practically anything.

As for me and my house, Yahuah is the only source of healing. Each must make the decision for themselves. We cannot judge one another in this. Truthfully the method that has been shown us is very simple. It starts with repentance. We would highly recommend repenting of ever receiving and accepting any sicknesses, illnesses, and whatnot. Once you have repented the legal ground that they had is eliminated; therefore, you take the authority that has been given to us as believers and cast them out in Yahusha's Name. That does not mean that symptoms will never occur, because the enemy will want the opportunity to give you trials; such as Iyob; such as Kepha. Remember satan asked to sift him as wheat? And Yahusha did not say no, that he wouldn't, but said, "I have prayed for you". Possibly Yahuah Himself will want to try your belief; just as it discusses in Judges 2:21-23. Revelation mentions "he who overcomes" seven times, in that we are to overcome the world. These unclean spirits are in the world. We must overcome them and our flesh also, and all trials and tribulations that would come our way. When symptoms occur refuse to accept them and like the Scripture says:

Ya'acob 4:7 So then subject yourselves to Elohim. Resist the devil and he shall flee from you.

May Yahuah increase our belief abundantly,
In Yahusha's Name,

Watchman555 & his Chayil Ishshah

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tedack

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AND if YHWH heals then why do we even need a cheap substitute?
Some possible reasons:
1. His cost is too high for many (1)
2. Ignorance of the way (2)
3. Unskilled in the Word (3)
4. Deceived and the truth is choked out(4)
5. Lack of faith (5)
6. Fear (6)

I'm trying to understand the rest of this post; is it about faith growing? understanding growing? overall spiritual maturity?

Ever since i saw my son healed from what doctors had already pulled me aside to tell me was hopeless, he would die; i've started searching about healing again, i've read scripture, books about scriptural healing, talking to people who have been healed or who have not...and i still don't know how it 'works'.

I was fourteen when i first heard that YHWH heals - i was so SO very excited! I have very bad eyesight and thought He would heal me. By that age i had contacts, i threw them away! Nothing happened but i figured that since He is such a loving Father, that He was going to let me wake up in the morning and open my eyes to a "new world". I was so busy thanking Him and being excited that it was hard to get to sleep. When i woke up in the morning, it was the first thought in my head, before i opened my eyes, i sat up and positioned myself for my first sight through my own eyes. When i finally opened my eyes, i was totally confused, i couldn't see anything. I had been shown right in scripture that He heals when we ask so i knew He had. But i couldn't see, i didn't know what to think. Then i thought that usually miracles were done to show YHWH's power and goodness in front of others, so i ran upstairs to show my parents, assuming i would be able to see when i got there. I still couldn't.
I ran to the kitchen trash, hoping no one had taken it out yet and got out my contact case. I was afraid to tell my parents because i figured i was just young and stupid and didn't know how it all 'worked'. And you know what? I still don't.
I've seen two of my sons healed. I've laid hands on a little boy and he was healed (but others had prayed for him before too, i just knew i was supposed to so i did) - he was so precious! He raised his hands up and said, Thank you (YHWH), thank you!"

Is healing something He does only for illnesses? And not something congenital, if that's the right word for bad eyes. So far, i've just given up on knowing, i'll pray, sometimes He does, sometimes He doesn't, i figure He's got His reasons, whatever. But He's told ME more than once to pray for someone's healing so i'm pretty curious...

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shalom tedack

I'm sorry for any confusion about my post. I know I can get wordy.

The point I was trying to make was to NOT change the word of YHWH to conform to our understanding but to hold the truth as the truth regardless of where we are in our understanding.

For instance you said

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I was fourteen when i first heard that YHWH heals - i was so SO very excited!

It stills says YHWH heals doesn't it?

Yes, the word does say he heals and there is just NO denying it from the scriptures. So we hold on even though we don't know how it happens or works or ???

But many times people change things to fit their experiences rather than the pure truth.

Hope that was clearer
Shalom
Sharon

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Shalom All,

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I hope this comes across the way I mean it . It seems so complex to write out in a post.
Shalom,
Sharon [/b]

I believe I understood what you meant. Thank you for your post. Praise Yahuah for it. Yes, it is a growing process. Sometimes Yahuah heals right out (He healed me from 'carple-tunnel' outright) and sometimes He heals slowly (Seth's arm healed outright, but still sore and tender for a few days). Sometimes He doesn't heal at all; why? We don't know. He does, that's for sure.

[quote]I still couldn't. I ran to the kitchen trash, hoping no one had taken it out yet and got out my contact case. I was afraid to tell my parents because i figured i was just young and stupid and didn't know how it all 'worked'. by Tedack


I must tell you, I took my glasses off my face for a year. My vision is what 'they' call nearsightedness. -4.0 in both eyes it was. I not only threw my glasses away, I bent them, broke them, and took the lens out! I stepped out in the faith of a child. Like you, I woke up morning after morning expecting to see clear. Each time still seeing the same blurriness I had when I went to bed. Then I thought, maybe I'm thinking about it too hard. So I tried to not think of it, ignored it and just went about my day. I probably gave myself wrinkles around my eyes from squinting (we know it's not from age, right? ). Eventually, I resigned myself to the fact that perhaps it is not Yahuah's will that I see without the aid of glasses.

So I went and bought a pair. Hey, what do you know; -3.75 in both eyes. After about a year I noticed that I'm having blurry vision. Off to the eye doctor. Hey, what do you know; -3.50 in both eyes. HalleluYah. Will it continue? I don't know. What I do know is Yahuah is in control. He knows my end from my beginning and maybe this is a thorn in my flesh to keep me from being prideful. I don't know. I do know He is in control.

As I type this I wonder, what is the spiritual read about the eyes and not seeing clear. Here we have the lens, which was sand made into glass and polished and refined until it's clear and then adjusting the curve of the lens for what vision one has; placing the correct type and power of lens in front of the eye; thereby adjusting the focal point to compensate for the eye's inability to focus the image on the retina.

Hmmmm. Time for a Scripture study!!

eyes, blind, see, and what ever other things Yahuah leads us to. HalleluYah \o/

Take care my Sisters in Messiah,
May He bless us all,

Chayil Ishshah


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Shalom!

Thank you Chayil for your response.. I have to say my views are slightly different but I understand everyone does what they see fit for them. Glad to hear that your family has done well with the methods you all choose to use.


Missy


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Thank you SO MUCH posting on this topic! HalleluJAH it is so good to be in the presence of my brethren and constantly seeing on this board, on boards like it, and my RL Fellowship and seeing that all these years I've not been alone!

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Wouldn't then things like Caffeiene, Smoking, and etc also be Pharmakia?

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