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naesimo

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posted 04-20-2007 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naesimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everybody,

quote:
I didn't eat the Esau corn mainly because I'd seen research at the time about transgenetic animals and like mutated things. I saw where a sheep gives milk with spider silk in it. If memory serves me awhile back some corn chips were made with somekind of genetically engineered corn and it was controversial. So really I just said why would someone pick Esau for a name of a "corn type" of all names (truly a corny name for corh eh?). Like if I was going to make peanut butter I wouldn't name it "Baal's Best Peanut Butter". I'm saying it's not the best marketing campaign, see what I mean? I can't label it fear or Ruach it just seemed like some kind of "common sense" or Esau corn just didn't sound appetizing. Like red hot dogs instead of Hebrew National. Does anyone know if those are kosher? I don't want to assume cause you know what they say about that LOL.

It says that these people won't enter Yahweh's Kingdom:

EPHESIANS 5:5
THOSE WHO PRACTICE:

OBSCENITY
FOOLISH TALKING (JESTING)
GREEDINESS
RAILLERY (TO RIDICULE)
ANY UNCLEAN MAN

Does jesting mean humor in a profane or obscene way or just humor in general? In the south people like to joke, and to me humor can be used to humble ourselves (being able to laugh at yourself) and make points. And when we read all this madness about transgenetic things we think we need a certain sense of humor to get along here. Please help us understand how joyful we are supposed to be and how it is proper to express it. And I saw on the hot dogs that they are Kosher . Do you think it's part of Yahweh's personality that He has a sense of playfulness and sense of humor?

Shalom,
Naesimo

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squartucci

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posted 04-20-2007 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for squartucci     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by naesimo:
Everybody,

It says that these people won't enter Yahweh's Kingdom:

EPHESIANS 5:5
THOSE WHO PRACTICE:

OBSCENITY
[b]FOOLISH TALKING (JESTING)

GREEDINESS
RAILLERY (TO RIDICULE)
ANY UNCLEAN MAN

Does jesting mean humor in a profane or obscene way or just humor in general? In the south people like to joke, and to me humor can be used to humble ourselves (being able to laugh at yourself) and make points. And when we read all this madness about transgenetic things we think we need a certain sense of humor to get along here. Please help us understand how joyful we are supposed to be and how it is proper to express it. And I saw on the hot dogs that they are Kosher . Do you think it's part of Yahweh's personality that He has a sense of playfulness and sense of humor?

Shalom,
Naesimo

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Shalom everyone

Eph 5:4 neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather thanksgiving (Strong's 2169).

G2169
eucharistia
yoo-khar-is-tee'-ah
From G2170; gratitude; actually grateful language (to God, as an act of worship): - thankfulness, (giving of) thanks (-giving).

G2170
eucharistos
yoo-khar'-is-tos
From G2095 and a derivative of G5483; well favored, that is, (by implication) grateful: - thankful.

G2095
eu
yoo
Neuter of a primary word eus (good); (adverbially) well: - good, well (done).

G5483
charizomai
khar-id'-zom-ahee
Middle voice from G5485; to grant as a favor, that is, gratuitously, in kindness, pardon or rescue: - deliver, (frankly) forgive, (freely) give, grant.

G5485
charis
khar'-ece
From G5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude): - acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace (-ious), joy liberality, pleasure, thank (-s, -worthy).

G5463
chairō
khah'ee-ro
A primary verb; to be full of “cheer”, that is, calmly happy or well off; impersonal especially as a salutation (on meeting or parting), be well: - farewell, be glad, God speed, greeting, hail, joy (-fully), rejoice.

Shalom
Sharon

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naesimo

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posted 04-20-2007 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for naesimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everybody,

We have been talking about the coffee thing. Could you have coffee in moderation? What about decaf? No doubt, we have drank coffee to stay awake before (abusing it) but what if you just drink like one cup a day?
I've heard people here talk about using herbal or natural remedies, these also cause chemical reactions in your body so how do you know what chemicals are good chemicals necessarily? Is there any chemical (whether manufactured or natural) that is purely good (and doesn't cause side effects)?

Shalom,
Naesimo

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Reese

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posted 04-20-2007 10:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Reese     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TO: Watchman555 & Chayil Ishshah

could you please e-mail me reese@praiseyah.com

I just read through all the posts on here and from what I've read i think we believe a lot alike. I am 26 years old my husband is 32 and we have been married for almost 8 years. I don't even know what to write right now because I am just so excited to be reading what you wrote about the medical system. My husband and I have done similar studies and have found the same thing you have found and it is really exciting to hear someone else believe the same way as far as the Medical system and the True names of our Father and His Son. Anyway if you could maybe email me I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you

Reese

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Reese

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posted 04-20-2007 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Reese     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Watchman555:
Shalom,

Scripture and Witchcraft

The word witchcraft brings about images of women in dark pointy hats standing over cauldrons stirring smoldering contents while chanting rhymes calling upon the forces of darkness. What does Scripture actually say witchcraft is and how does that line up with our beliefs that have been handed down from generation to generation?

Witchcraft defined

[b]Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft (5331), hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of Elohim.

Pharmakeia (far-mak-i'-ah); Word Origin: Greek, Noun Feminine, Strong #: 5331

The use or the administering of drugs, poisoning. sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it Metaphorically: the deceptions and seductions of idolatry

This is from the root word:

Pharmakeus (far-mak-yoos'); Noun Masculine, Strong #: 5332

One who prepares or uses magical remedies sorcerer

The drug industry is recognized as the Pharmaceutical Industry!

Webster's Dictionary defines pharmaceutical as:

From the Greek word Pharmakeia, to practice witchcraft, use medicine, a poison, medicine 1. Of pharmacy or pharmacists. 2. Of or by drugs: as, pharmaceutical cure.

Revelation 18:23
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in you; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in you: for your merchants were the great men of the earth; for by their sorceries (5331)were all nations deceived.

Revelation 9:21
Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries,(5331) nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

In Yahusha's Name, who Himself bore our sins in His body on the timber, so that we, having died to sins, might live unto righteousness by whose stripes you were healed,

Watchman555

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This was the post I was replying to. Thanks for your time. Shalom,
Reese

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angeL217

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posted 04-21-2007 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for angeL217     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

" Do you think it's part of Yahweh's personality that He has a sense of playfulness and sense of humor? "

I know He has a sense of humor.

Platypus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platypus

That is just one of many proofs. I am sure others here could think of something else.

Shalom,

angeL

Watchman,

I hope you will forgive me for posting this in your thread. I know it has no relevance to the subject.

still me

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Dr. Ezeki'el

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posted 04-21-2007 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dr. Ezeki'el     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GUESS WHAT?

Drugs is BIG BUSINESS! Nothing new under the sun, right? Continue reading if you concur...
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CNN

archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/04/10/medicare.prescripts/ - 45k -

The administration's drug benefit proposal would cost $195 billion over 10 years and allow the government to contract with the same drug-purchasing firms used by many private health plans to get discounts and rebates for bulk purchases.

__________________________


Medicines cannot cure 100%, neither are they a substitute for Yahh to be replaced as a healer. But mind you, the pharmacy 2000 years ago from the Greeks and the pharmacy today in America are different practices,
such as with dentists who use drugs on your gums and
pain relievers,
medicated healing lotions,
skin medication creams,
medicated powder,
alcholhol,
peroxide,
and visine.
in extreme emergency cases, medicine has its advantages, especially for recovery, as long as it doesn't become a crutch for dependency. Everything needs to be done with caution, even when going to the extremes with telling someone to avoid medication even though they are suffering intensley. We're not here to choose peoples destiny or make choices for them. They just need to be encouraged to have a better diet according to the torah so that diseases won't cause them to have poor health.

In, conclusion, just because man blends chemicals together doesn't necessarily make them a sorcerer witch, or else we would burn our children at the stake for taking chemistry, science and biology classes. We're not living in the Dark Ages, hunting witches to be burned at the stake. I believe we have more dignity than the barbaric witch hunters who ran like silly misfits chasing witches across town with torches in their hands.

In closing, I concur with how pharmacy is a root greek word which means sorcerer or witchcraft, but how a word was used 2000 years ago according to the standards of that era is not the same scenario for how every medication is produced today in America. And on the last note, neither are most of the same withcraft and sorcerer medicines produced today that was concocted 2000 years ago.

Yeremiah 46:11
Go up into Gilead, and take balm, O virgin, the daughter of Egypt: in vain shalt thou use many medicines; for thou shalt not be cured.

Luke 8:43
And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any,


"medicine":

1456 gehah gay-haw' from 1455; a cure:--medicine.
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4832 marpe' mar-pay' from 7495; properly, curative, i.e. literally (concretely) a medicine, or (abstractly) a cure; figuratively (concretely) deliverance, or (abstractly) placidity:--((in-))cure(-able), healing(-lth), remedy, sound, wholesome, yielding.


Shalom

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squartucci

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posted 04-21-2007 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for squartucci     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shalom Dr

quote:

They just need to be encouraged to have a better diet according to the torah so that diseases won't cause them to have poor health.

I have had difficulty correlating the belief that diet and exercise are the base of good health with the scriptures.

I could not find in the scriptures where it indicates that the food laws are for health or that diet has ANYTHING to do with health.

Pro 3:6 In all your ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct your paths.
Pro 3:7 Be not wise in your own eyes: fear YHWH, and depart from evil.
Pro 3:8 It shall be health to your body, and strength to your bones.

Pro 4:20 My son, attend to my words; incline your ear unto my sayings.
Pro 4:21 Let them not depart from your eyes; keep them in the midst of your heart.
Pro 4:22 For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.

Pro 12:18 There is one that speaks like the piercings of a sword: but the tongue of the wise brings health.

Pro 16:24 Pleasant words are as a honeycomb, sweet to the soul, and health to the bones.

Shalom
Sharon

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JourneyHome

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posted 04-22-2007 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JourneyHome     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

A web site that might interest you all!

http://www.drday.com

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naesimo

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posted 04-22-2007 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for naesimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That site says Freemasonry is Jewish, Jews are Khazars, there is no such thing as anti-semitism, etc. I've probed into that stuff, about Khazars and what not. But the Bible says a Jew is one inwardly so what if some are "Khazars"? Yahweh said love your enemy and I have alot of trouble with spiritual discernment and knowing the enemy plus Paul ws an enemy of believers but he changed so we can't predict tomorrow.

Gal 1:13 You have heard of my earlier career and former manner of life in the Jewish religion [Judaism], how I persecuted and abused the church of God furiously and extensively, and [with fanatical zeal did my best] to make havoc of it and destroy it. 14 And [you have heard how] I stripped many of the men of my own generation among the people of my race in [advancement in study and ovservance of the laws of] Judaism, so extremely enthusiastic and zealous I was for the traditions of my ancestors.

Even if Jews are "Khazars" by "blood" so what they are still Jews by religion. How can you make the arguement there aren't any "true Jews" by blood but then argue Gentiles can be part of Israel without being a bloodline Israelite? One side of her mouth she says modern Jews aren't Jews by blood but out the other side she argues Christians (former Gentiles) are now part of Israel because you don't have to be in a "bloodline" to be an Israelite!!! Seems like you would appreciate that more if you truly believed it and try to come up with a more EFFECTIVE witness to Jews than "you are a Khazar, you control the media and Hollywood, the Holocaust is over-rated, Jews are trying to control the world, Jews invented Freemasonry, etc, etc, etc.

quote:
The present-day Jews are NOT God's "Chosen People." God does NOT play favorites. He doesn't love some more than others. God's "Chosen People" are the true followers of Christ who are "Chosen" for one thing only: to exhibit to the world the character and disposition of Jesus Christ, no matter what happens to them. Everyone, eventually, will be in this category.

Doesn't this lady realize that today's non-believer may be tomorrow's great servant? Does this woman think she is helping show Jews (who I call Judah) a Messiah they can believe in? Was this woman born into the Kingdom herself or at one point was she a non-believer or not a Christian?

quote:
God created All persons equal. No person is better than any other person. God loves everyone the same. I do NOT believe in “Supremacy” of ANY person, ethnicity, group, organization or nation above another.

THEN WHAT about what Yahweh said about ESAU? Yahweh's promises aren't based on bloodline but Yahshua's blood and obedience. We are to love our enemies it's true but the way this is worded sounds confusing to me.
And also the more WICKED a person is the more their conversion stands to show the POWER AND GLORY OF YAHWEH ALMIGHTY. Yahshua Himself converted Paul, no man's witness did. This woman needs to realize that the Jews are blinded in part for her BENEFIT and pray and try to imagine the GLORY AND WONDER that Yahweh could work in their lives. Oh, Judah we miss you, lady you need to study Two House Restoration. Normally I would say jeez but here I'll say OY VAY!

People claim they suffer for their Faith but then also say they believe in "The Rapture" and that the Jews along with other non-believers will be "Left Behind". We say it is a privilege to suffer with and as Yahshua but then HOPE in some kind of Rapture. Doesn't belief in Rapture say Yahweh plays favorites to some degree? I don't know if that Dr. believes in Rapture or not. Yahweh give me the strength, courage, and endurance because I want to be here in prison with Judah and possibly still prodigal Ephraimites BECAUSE THERE IS NO GREATER LOVE THAN TO DIE FOR YOUR FRIENDS and I want to be here for them. No doubt I didn't want to be comitted by my family and felt like that would be being thrown into some kind of prison (and I can't imagine how I could witness in that situation) but if it happens I will try and trust that it serves a greater good. Christians need to realize they can get puffed up too.

Also:
Gal 3:1 O you poor and silly and thoughtless and unreflecting and senseless Galatians! Who has fascinated or bewitched or cast a spell over you, unto whom--right before your very eyes--Yahshua the Messiah was openly and graphically set forth and portrayed as crucified?

I can't find it right now but if memory serves me in the Book of Enoch it says the fallen angels taught men how to cut roots. So maybe this is somekind of magic? I read that the idea of BC pills came from some kind of weed or herb used by Greeks I believe. I don't like man-made or sythetic chemicals but I'm not just going to say all plant derived chemicals are good just because they are "organic" or "natural".

Shalom,
Naesimo

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Hopefully others got more than that from her web site.

Seems that the main points went flying right over your head.

I have seen the DVD.

You can view the pictures of her tumor at:

http://www.drday.com/tumor.htm

Things that I thought were important:

Dr. Lorraine Day reversed her severe, advanced cancer by rebuilding her immune system by natural therapies, so her body could heal itself.

Dr. Day is an internationally acclaimed orthopedic trauma surgeon and best selling author who was for 15 years on the faculty of the University of California, San Francisco, School of Medicine as Associate Professor and Vice Chairman of the Department of Orthopedics. She was also Chief of Orthopedic Surgery at San Francisco General Hospital and is recognized world-wide as an AIDS expert.

Dr. Lorraine Day reversed her severe, advanced cancer by rebuilding her immune system by natural therapies, so her body could heal itself.

You have cancer. You're going to die!" The doctors told me. "but they were wrong!" says Lorraine Day, M.D. "I refused mutilating surgery, chemotherapy and radiation, the treatment methods ALL physicians are taught, and got well by using God's natural remedies instead. "I'll tell you exactly how I did it!"

Dr. Day was diagnosed with invasive breast cancer but rejected standard therapies because of their destructive side effects and because those therapies often lead to death. She chose instead to rebuild her immune system using the natural, simple, inexpensive therapies designed by God and outlined in the Bible, so her body could heal itself.

The EXACT plan she used to get well!

Why what you put in your mouth determines whether you're sick or well.

Why you may think you're sick - but you're really thirsty.

How anyone can carry out this natural, simple, inexpensive plan at home.

How this plan has been used successfully by many patients with different types of life-threatening diseases to regain their health

As a physician who developed cancer herself, Dr. Lorraine Day was well aware that physicians are more afraid of cancer than patients are, because doctors KNOW that chemotherapy, radiation and surgery are NOT the answer to cancer.

She will help you understand why you don't need to fear cancer. She explains to you in terms you can understand all the confusing medical jargon you will hear from doctors. By following the orderly system of evaluation that she presents, you can then make calm, intelligent decisions about the best treatment methods for you.

What YOU need to know to make the important decisions for your treatment

Why doctors don't know, and are never taught, how to get you well from cancer

The dangers of chemotherapy and radiation and why cancer is BIG BUSINESS!

Who controls the Cancer Industry, the FDA and the American Cancer Society

Who controls what the media tells you about cancer treatment

The CAUSES of cancer and how YOU can reverse them -- and GET WELL!


Specific information on Breast Cancer and Prostrate Cancer


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naesimo

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JourneyHome,

Without doubt people here are concerned with good health.

Phi 2:25 But I thought it necessary to send to you Epaphroditos, my brother, fellow worker, and fellow soldier, and your emissary and servant to my need,
Phi 2:27 For indeed he was sick, near to death, but Elohim had compassion on him, and not only on him but on me as well, lest I should have sadness upon sadness.
Phi 2:28 Therefore I sent him more eagerly, so that on seeing him again you might rejoice, and I be less sad.
Phi 2:29 Receive him therefore in the Master with all joy, and hold such as he in esteem,
Phi 2:30 because for the work of Messiah he was near death, risking his life, to fill up what was lacking in your service toward me.

Gal 4:12 Brethren, I beg of you, become as I am [free from the bondage of Jewish ritualism and ordinances], for I also have become as you are [a Gentile], You did me no wrong [in the days when I first came to you; do not do it now]. 13 On the contrary, you know it was on account of a bodily ailment that [I remained and] preached the Gospel to you the first time. 14 And [yet] although my physical condition was [such] a trial to you, you did not regard it with contempt, or scorn and loathe and reject me; but you received me as an angel of Yahweh, [even] as Yahshua Messiah [Himself]! 15 What has become of that blessed enjoyment and satisfaction and self-congratulation that once was yours [in what I taught you and in your regard for me]? For I bear you witness that you would have torn out your own eyes and have given them to me [to replace mine], if that were possible.

quote:
The dangers of chemotherapy and radiation and why cancer is BIG BUSINESS!
Who controls the Cancer Industry, the FDA and the American Cancer Society
Who controls what the media tells you about cancer treatment
The CAUSES of cancer and how YOU can reverse them -- and GET WELL!
Specific information on Breast Cancer and Prostrate Cancer

Lovely, all for the low prices of between $19.95-$29.95. Perhaps someday Herbal Remedies will REPLACE Pharmaceuticals in sales.
WHY NOT JUST GIVE THE INFO OUT ON HER SITE???? Maybe she's not making a PROFIT from the SALES, cause then truly that would be hypocritical, I mean to make a PROFIT off the cancer. Just like surely the manufacturers of organic and other food stuffs now aren't the very same people who used to push the "regular" old food stuffs. That would be truly diabolical, but genius, just a hypothesis I'm throwing out not that I can proove it. Maybe we could all chip in and by her videos and books and share the info, but I guess not online since it may be copyrighted???? It sounds like she is selling not sharing her witness story. Whatever worked for her may all the glory go to Yahweh, but someone needs to show me where in the BIBLE it tells what HERBS or NATURAL meds we need to use. CAN"T SNAKE OIL COME LABELED HERBAL, NATURAL, ORGANIC???????? Do you think this lady's obedience or righteousness exceeds Paul's or Epaphroditos? They got sick, it happens.

Maybe part of the reason people get sick is so Yahweh tests how people take care of them.

Shalom,
Naesimo

PS--People can be healed without herbs or pharmaceuticals, it's called Two House Restoration.

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I can't find the post, who wrote something about emailing them about health issues, free info and methods, just have to know where to look? I'd like to find ways to improve or correct eyesight for me and my son. I've heard of vision therapy and have heard mixed reviews of its effectiveness. Is there something else?

I've thought of wearing glasses or contacts just slightly too weak so one's eyes would adjust and become slightly better each time.

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Blessings naesimo,

I am suggesting you discuss this with your husband. I think it is very clear. I would hope he would be able to explain it to you. If he has problems with what I have posted here I will be glad to go through each point with him so in turn he can explain it to you. Everything in its proper order.

I will not attempt to teach another man wife without his permission. That, I believe, is his responsibility. If he says it is OK then I will proceed.


Peace,

JourneyHome

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quote:
Originally posted by tedack:
I can't find the post, who wrote something about emailing them about health issues, free info and methods, just have to know where to look? I'd like to find ways to improve or correct eyesight for me and my son. I've heard of vision therapy and have heard mixed reviews of its effectiveness. Is there something else?

I've thought of wearing glasses or contacts just slightly too weak so one's eyes would adjust and become slightly better each time.



Blessings Tedack,

I am not sure I understand your post. If it is directed at me, please give me a little more info so I can help.

Peace,

JourneyHome

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