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friendofyah

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posted 03-24-2007 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for friendofyah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greetings in the name of Yahushua Messiah,

I agree that the Pharmekia thing is not for YHWH's people, and that YHWH is our Healer. I am saddened to see believers in Yahushua not accept YHWH's healing.

Num 23:19 ELOHIM is not a man that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Exo 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of YHWH your ELOHIM, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am YHWH that healeth thee.

Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of Elohim, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

The word GRIEFS here means:
H2483
çěé
chŏlîy
khol-ee'
From H2470; malady, anxiety, calamity: - disease, grief, (is) sick (-ness).

EVERWHERE else in the Scriptures this Hebrew word was used it was translated sicknesses, or disease, except for this one verse. The trans-lie-lators had no faith in YHWH as a healer.

When we speak of the scape goat, and how it carried away the sins of Israel into the wilderness, the hebrew word is NASA, meaning to lift up, or carry away. This us what Yahushua did for us, He carried away our SICKNESSES (griefs).

SURELY MESSIAH HAS CARRIED AWAY OUR SICKNESSES!!! (Isa 53:4)

1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Messiah's death till he come.
1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Master, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Messiah.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Master's body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Are we discerning Messiah's body? What is this discernment? It is that Yahushua DIED for not only our SINS but for our Healing. We are so willing (for the most part) to accept the Blood of Messiah for remission of Sins, but He also shed his blood for the cause of Healing also, equally.

There is only ONE sin that Yahushua said we would not be forgiven of and that was blaspheming the Ruach haKodesh. ALL SINS ARE FORGIVEN WHEN WE REPENT, AND ALL SICKNESS MUST BE REMITTED!!

Remember Healing is not always a miraclous event, but is a process. Has any of us died from the flu, or any other ailment? I know I am still here, so....that makes YHWH my Healer, HALLELUYAH! Rejoice before Him and confess YHWH as our Healer, and our Saviour!

We speak of increasing our faith, when Yahushua was asked to increase Faith, His reply was the smallest faith, even of the size of a mustard seed will accomplish that it was set to do, you can say to this mountain be thou remove, and it will be done!! Selah.

In the love of Messiah Yahushua
Ariyah

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tedack

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posted 03-24-2007 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tedack     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But where would the 'limits' be? People DO die. Do you think true believers only die of healthy old age? That's assuming old age is not considered a true sickness/infirmity, i don't think it is.

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hisbeatnik

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posted 03-24-2007 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hisbeatnik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Folks, I still haven't seen a response to my last post...


Wouldn't then things like Caffeiene, Smoking, and etc also be Pharmakia?
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squartucci

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posted 03-24-2007 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for squartucci     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hisbeatnik:
Folks, I still haven't seen a response to my last post...


Wouldn't then things like Caffeiene, Smoking, and etc also be Pharmakia?


Shalom Samuel

My first response would be no, because we are not seeking healing from disease from those potions.
But on the other hand - what are we seeking?

Relaxation, energy, pacification, comfort, etc?

Why drink caffeine?

Why smoke?

And is their a better answer from YHWH for the same purpose?

Are they cheap substitues for the blessings of YHWH?

Just some thoughts too
Shalom
Sharon

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hisbeatnik

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posted 03-25-2007 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hisbeatnik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you

I've been beginning to think that they are "drugs" for some time now. Many smoke when they are nervous. It could be said TRULY trusting in YHVH would help prevent this. Those who drink caffeine are trying to stay awake... or going for a mood boost. The latter is definately wrong. I don't know though... but I really do lean towards them both being pharmakia myself... I'm still interested in any input further you all might have...

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Watchman555

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posted 03-25-2007 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Watchman555     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Received in our email today:

Mental Health Screening in Schools Signals the End of Parental Rights
Nancy Levant

"In the 2005-2006 school year, all parents will receive written notice of new policies from your children’s schools. Many schools will ask you to sign permission slips, allowing school counselors or “advocates” to have conversations with your children. You will be told how your local schools are now involved in vision and dental screenings, learning disabilities and speech impediment screenings, and other acts of kindness, but watch for the small print or the extra little blurb, which states that your children will also be evaluated for emotional wellness. Watch for wording like “happiness indicators” or “family participation.”

The fact is that our president has mandated that every American child, age 3 through 18, is federally ordered to be evaluated for mental health issues and to receive “enforced” treatment. Welcome to President Bush’s New Freedom Initiative and New Freedom Commission on Mental Health. Welcome to life-long profiling and drug addictions, New Freedom-style.

52 million students and six million adults working in schools, according to this commission, will be tested and should flush out at least 6 million people, or shall we say new customers, who will then be mandated to receive “treatment.” What treatment does our president’s commission have in mind? The newest drugs in the pharmaceutical pipelines, of course. The commission recommends “specific medications for specific conditions.”
One of the state-of-the-art treatments, and most expensive, is an implanted capsule – yes, that’s right, implanted. The capsule delivers medication into a child’s body without the child having to swallow a pill or the need for parental permission for dispensation.

The New Freedom Commission named the Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP) a model treatment plan. Medical algorithms are a flowchart-style treatment indicator. If you have A symptom and B symptom, take C medication. TMAP began with the University of Texas, big pharma, and the mental health and corrections system in Texas. The American Psychiatric Association concurs that TMAP is brilliant.

However, the New Freedom Initiative and Commission is a political-big pharma marriage. Many companies who supported TMAP were also major contributors to Bush’s re-election funds. For example, Eli Lilly manufactures olanzapine - one of the drugs recommended in the New Freedom plan, and furthermore, George Herbert Walker Bush was once a member of Lilly’s board of directors. Our current President Bush appointed Lilly’s chief executive officer, Sidney Taurel, as a member of the Homeland Security Council. Eighty-two percent of Lilly’s $1.6 million in political contributions in 2000 went to Bush and the Republican Party. Do tell…

Texas Algorithm grossed over 4 billion dollars in 2003 and olanzapine is Eli Lilly's top selling drug. A 2003 New York Times article by Gardiner Harris claims that 70 percent of olanzapine sales are paid for by government agencies, such as Medicare and Medicaid. And lo and behold, guess who is now able to bill Medicaid for health services? Public schools, of course, as they are now under the big pharma-political profits/pay-back umbrella once they adopt screening policies. Public schools can now be paid to screen and drug your kids.

Now, if you ever wonder, ever again, if public-private partnerships care about people, then you need a brain transplant. Your children are now the legislated guinea pigs and lab rats for the pharmaceutical companies who bought and paid for our president’s campaign. Favors are now returned to those companies in the form of enforced, juvenile customers, their health, and their future drug addictions.

But wait, there is more. The New Freedom Commission also calls for enforced treatment. That means that parents have no rights to refuse the treatment recommenced by TMAP and other drug dispensing corporate-bureaucratic apparatuses. And as the mental health bureaucracy is also involved in this financial game of insidious cruelty, parents and families are also to be investigated via the result of their children’s screenings in schools. In other words, schools are now the across-the board, or shall I say nation, diagnostic tool for big pharma and child control.

And there’s more. The U.N. Agenda 21 has also called for total intrusion into schools and children lives. No more religion, no more individuality, no more real education, no more real grades, no more real teaching, no more teacher respect for parents, and no more truth from teachers or principals. This sounds very familiar and very political to me. And I’ve said it before, and I will say it again: if you are of a religious ilk and you refuse to allow your children to be abused by our “educational” system, the stage is being set for you to lose physical custody of your children. I suggest that you read this: Rethinking Orphanages for the 21st Century by Richard McKenzie, ed ""



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hisbeatnik

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posted 03-25-2007 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hisbeatnik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...and people still label me a conspiracy THEORIST...

Welcome to Police State America 2007; where the characters in "Brave New World" and "1984" pale by comparison...

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Riyyah

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posted 03-25-2007 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Riyyah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shalom All,

I was wondering with all the health issues of today: breast cancer, cervical cancer, hyper-tension, diabetes, prostate cancer, etc.....did those things exist during biblical times. I know perhaps they were illness but were they of this magnitude?! As women we are encouraged to go get annual check-ups, etc but I wonder did Sarah go get annual check-up from Dr. Simple down the street. You know what I mean....I'm wondering is our illness are caused by what we eat/do to our bodies. These people lived 200-900 years without modern medicine and that is something to THINK ABOUT!

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hisbeatnik

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posted 03-25-2007 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hisbeatnik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RIYYAH:

Consider the fact that they didn't have processed, packaged, genetically engineered foods back then where man tried to "improve upon" Hashem's creation and ended up poisoning them instead.

And with regard to living up to 900 years, the atmospheric pressure was roughly twice that of todays and there was apparently a water crystal canopy in the upper atmosphere that blocked roughly 90% of all radiation exposure, the primary cause of aging & cellular deterioration. Research has been shown in hyperbolic chambers encased in lead that simulate the antidiluvian environment that animals can live a great many times there normal "lifespan", plants & in some cases animals don't stop growing, and wounds heal much faster then they do in our environment. It was even suggested by some biologists that under such environments things such as snake bite venom actually would've acted to help HEAL THE WOUND. Another intersting aspect would've been that fruits / plants would've had a much greater fermentation time frame, which probably explains how Noah got "drunk". The same amount of time from the fruit being picked and juiced probably wouldn't have allowed it to become wine so quickly in the pre-flood / antidiluvian environment...

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brotherbrian

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posted 03-26-2007 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for brotherbrian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And in the home town of one of the largest pharmaciea companies, Eli Lilly, it is even easier to see, if one has the eyes.

Also, the Rx symbol is acknowledged by the pharmaceutical schools to have its origins in the "all seeing eye of h-rus" (please pardon the use of a pagan name).

Now do a study on the pharm. co.'s involvement with things like flouride, flu vacc, abortion, squashing alternative medicine, the cancer-cash-cow, etc.... and their "public interest image" goes right down the drain. Their "interest" isn't the health of the nation, that for sure. It is the same as everyone elses interest..... the dollar.

Experimental medicine isn't distributed by doctors... its distributed by salesmen and very pretty women in short skirts. I've seen 'em and talked with 'em. The whole thing is a scam, complete with kickbacks and couriers. Why do we think they ask us to report any side effects? It's because they don't KNOW what the side effects may be, that's what we're for. We are a consumable resource, collateral damage, acceptable losses.... in the aquisition for wealth for the already wealthy, and for the eradication of the rabble, and rabble-rousers. And all of this, I believe, is orchestrated by the accuser of the brethren, hasatan.

The more things seem to progress, the more they echo days gone by. King Solomon was right.

Shalom,

Brian

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yeshuaslave

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posted 03-27-2007 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yeshuaslave     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
shalom.

if it is proper,
the book 'all your health questions answered naturally'
by maureen salaman

gives the needed directions for all of the health issues brought up in this forum,
and dozens of others,
using natural, G_d given methods/foods/nutrients.

for instance; for pain: enzymes (simple, natural ones)(that's what the body uses.
for leuk: vitamin a (100% people with l. are deficient) et al
for sinuses: acv (apple cider vinegar)

all safe, inexpensive, and still mostly available (soon to change, under the nwo)

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hisbeatnik

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posted 04-03-2007 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hisbeatnik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wish some knowing health nut on this site would fill this thread with good info. You've brought up an EXCELLENT topic that I've been wondering about myself and don't know hardly the first thing about... our bodies are Temples after all.

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yeshuaslave

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posted 04-06-2007 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yeshuaslave     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, do you have a specific question.....

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naesimo

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posted 04-16-2007 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for naesimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Watchman 555,

I thought you might find this interesting in particular and would appreciate your comments.

Rev 18:23 “And the light of a lamp shall not shine in you any more at all. And the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you any more at all. For your merchants were the great ones of the earth, for by your drug sorcery all the nations were led astray.

I think this backs you up on the things you posted and what you said about alchemy.

People keep asking me questions like would I refuse surgery or if I had to eat a ham sandwich or starve what would I do? I say I don't want to eat a ham sandwich but they say to choose to starve is "suicide" and you can't repent for "suicide".

Shalom,
Naesimo

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Watchman555

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posted 04-16-2007 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Watchman555     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
By Naesimo I thought you might find this interesting in particular and would appreciate your comments.

Rev 18:23 “And the light of a lamp shall not shine in you any more at all. And the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you any more at all. For your merchants were the great ones of the earth, for by your drug sorcery all the nations were led astray.


TOP 5 INDUSTRIES
(Plus Computers, Office Equipment)

Return on Revenues

Industry Rank 2001 Profits as % of Revenues Industry
1.....18.5.....Pharmaceuticals
2.....13.5.....Commercial Banks
3.....10.9.....Diversified Financials
4......8.6.....Mining, Crude-Oil Production
5......8.3.....Household Products
23.....2.3.....Computers, Office Equipment

These are the top 5 companies. There are a total of 14 US Companies, their revenues are $215,098,000,000.00 and their profits are $37,733,000,000.00, for 2001.

Pharmaceuticals

...............................Revenue....Profit (In MILLIONS of $$)
1.....Merck....................47,716.....7,282
2.....Johnson & Johnson........33,004.....5,668
3.....Pfizer...................32,259.....7,788
4.....Bristol-Myers Squibb.....21,717.....5,245
5.....Pharmacia................19,299.....1,501


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