Rivkah

I am terrible with Scripture although Abba Father is teaching me but were you quoting scripture in your last post. I know Paul talks about the womans hair but about the manliness of the beard?

"I'm understanding that it only matters if your activity of beard triming is in conjunction with a pagan rite for mourning dead. . . . Our modern business culture calls for a cleaner look than one hiking the desert with a rod and herd. Out on the terrain you can scratch and spit, but in this culture, most need to be presentable to earn a living."

Let me see if I understand you correctly. You say I can shave off my beard to satisfy the appearance code of the business world, but I can't shave it off if my father-in-law dies? I can shave it off for vanities sake, but I can't shave it off out of grief for my dead brother-in-law? I can print tatoos all over my body for any reason I so desire, but I can't tatoo my body when mourning for the dead? I can cut my flesh and mame the temple of the Holy Spirit for any reason that suits my demented mind as long as I don't do it for the dead? I can shave circles around my head to look like a monk or carve words in my hair if it suits me, but I can't shave my head for the dead?

Doesn't it make more sense that all these things are forbidden and that Yahweh was making making sure Israel fully understood that they could not do any of these things EVEN IF a close loved one died?

Shalom, duane

I get the impression from your posts that you think that all male children of Yahweh should have full beards. Is my assumption correct.

No, actually I don't really know the complete, absolute, answer to that. I am only a learner. For myself, I have a beard, which I trim, and have done so for nearly forty years. What my point was on my post, was that when I, personally, wore a goatee, it was out of vanity. Some men might think differently, I only know myself, and that not real well.

In Yahushua, duane

Originally posted by ChrisDixon:
Shalom Rivkah,
I am terrible with Scripture although Abba Father is teaching me but were you quoting scripture in your last post. I know Paul talks about the womans hair but about the manliness of the beard?

BS"D
Shalom Chris. It is an assumption based upon Torah just as it was an assumption by Paul based upon Torah.

The Scriptures naturally assume a man has a beard otherwise the many passages referring to it would be unnecessary. And there are several passages that indicate that it is a shameful thing to remove the beard of a man, therefore the mitzvah for Yisrael, the holy nation, to not even mar the corners of the beard:

2Shmuel 10:4-5 Therefore Chanun took David's servants, and shaved off one half of their beards, and cut off their garments in the middle, to their buttocks, and sent them away. When they told it to David, he sent to meet them, because the men were greatly ashamed; and the king said, Remain at Yericho until your beards are grown, and then return.

Yeshayahu 7:20 In the same day shall Y-H-V-H shave with a razor which is hired, by them beyond the river, by the king of Ashshur, the head, and the hair of the legs; and it shall also sweep away the beard.

Yeshayahu 15:2 He is gone up to the shrine, and to Divon, the high places, to weep; Moav shall howl over Nevo, and over Medeva; on all their heads shall be baldness, and every beard will be cut off.

Yirmeyahu 41:5 That there came some men from Shechem, from Shilo, and from Shomeron, eighty men, having their beards shaven, and their clothes torn, and having cut themselves, with offerings and incense in their hand, to bring them to the house of Y-H-V-H.

Yirmeyahu 48:37 For every head shall be bald, and every beard clipped; upon all the hands shall be gashes, and upon the loins sackcloth.

Yechezkel 5:1 And you, son of man, take a sharp knife, take a barber's razor, and pass it over your head and over your beard; then take balances for weighing, and divide the hair.

Ezra 9:3 And when I heard this matter, I tore my garment and my mantle, and plucked off the hair of my head and of my beard, and sat down appalled.

1Divrei HaYamim 19:4-5 And Chanun took David's servants, and shaved them, and cut off their garments in the middle, at their hips, and sent them away. And they departed. And David was told how the men had been treated. And he sent to meet them; for the men were greatly ashamed. And the king said, Remain at Yericho until your beards have grown, and then return.

Rivkah

Thankyou for your reply.

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Originally posted by John Cordaro:
Yes, Chris, I believe all of Yahweh's male children should have full beards if they are able to grow one. I believe we are permitted to trim them to keep them well groomed, but destroying the basic image of the beard via goatees, mutton chops, etc. are forbidden. It is also forbidden to do so for the dead other than ones immediate family as Lev 21:1-5 implies.

Shalom,
John

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Shalom John,

I second that motion!

Shlomoh

"***Okay, but you need to have scripture to be taken seriously. Where does it say you can trim your beard to keep it groomed but you can not have a goatee?
:-)
SH

Greetings SH,

Sorry for the delay in responding. Lev 19:27 says we are not to "mar" (destroy) the "corners" (borders) of the beard. I take "corners" to mean the border that forms the basic image of the beard, ie; the hairline around the cheeks and on the neck. A goatee would certainly destroy a major part of the beard and its border.

As for trimming, there is no direct command allowing or forbidding it. The basic prohibition concerns creating baldness on the head or face via shaving (Lev 21:5). It does not address trimming. However, in Ezek 44:20, the priests were permitted to trim their head hair, but not shave it. I extend that to the beard as well. Since trimming is a gray area, I believe the individual should decide based on his own conscience.