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Sojourners

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posted 03-16-2005 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sojourners     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shalom all,

I came across this site today...if you scroll down there are links complete with photo's of the barley at this time.

http://steve.bruns.com/abib2005.html

Blessings in Yahushua,
Tamar

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david_ben_yacob

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To ignore Genesis 1:14-18 (seasons-moedim-feast) and the word "tequfah" as used in the Scriptures and take the barley only as a sign of the New Year is in my opinion is a grave error. To then ignore all the documentation in history about how this was done by the nation of Israel before and during the 1st century is compounding that error. I do rejoice however in the fact that there would be plenty of barley to offer as first fruits when the first month does occur according to all these factors from Scripture.

I love the fact that the Karaites do give us these eyewitness accounts of the new moon and crops in the land of Israel, but I do not always just buy into all their conclusions in thier studies. I have even read after purchasing it the book Nehemian Gordon wrote on the Hebrew Book of Mattithyahu which came to some very good conclusions after proper exegesus of the text involved. I do not go to them for spiritual understanding but relly on the guidance of the Holy Spirit to teach me and help me understand the Scriptures and thier intended original meaning. I believe the Holy Spirit also brings historical recordings to us to teach us and remind us of things that occured in ancient times. If we ignore Him and go on limited data then it could lead to erroneous conclusions.

I just came from South Texas where the signs of early vegitation is coming forth, but then I got to Arkansas where yesterday it was spitting snow.


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Junia

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Thanks for the explanation of Abib posts! I had never seen some of this before & it answered some very old questions for me. Years ago when I was attending COG's I was taught by the head honcho, that the barley was green & it had to be roasted or parched by fire to dry it for the wave sheaf offering. This didn't make sense to me, as I thought , that green plants would not dry but would shrivel up & soft kernels in the pod would boil & become mush.

The green barley also didn't make sense to me because of precicely what one of you mentioned . I'm getting tired from reading now after 3 hours, so I can't remember who. That green ears would mean that Yahshua was immature at the time of his cricifixion.

Now, thanks to the article by Frank W. Nelte, posted by ana_yncaphil & the abib article by Steve Bruns, posted by Tamar, I see that abib means newly matured. The later start to the new year makes even more sense than it did for me already. I was already leaning to April for Abib & Passover because of what the March Passover would do to FOT. I just really had a worry there with the abib. Now I am more comfortable with my decision.

I am, as always, here to learn!

Shabbat Shalom!

Junia

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leejosepho

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posted 03-20-2005 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leejosepho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Greetings to all.

I certainly do not claim to understand all of this, but here is some more to consider:

quote:
From: Nehemia Gordon
Date: Sunday, March 20, 2005 12:00 AM

Karaite Korner Newsletter #202

Aviv vs. the Equinox

We have received requests in recent days asking for more information about the equinox calendar theory. The Karaite-Korner.org website has long had a section dealing with the equinox error at:
http://www.Karaite-Korner.org/abib_faq.shtml
http://www.karaite-korner.org/abib_and_tekufah.shtml

As discussed in the above articles, the modern equinox-keepers begin their yearly cycle at the first new moon after the vernal equinox. Ironically they base themselves on ancient Pharisee sources (Talmud, Josephus) which mention the equinox, without actually understanding the meaning of these ancient sources.

The ancient Pharisees had two systems of setting the beginning of the year, only one of which took the equinox into account whereas both systems looked at the Aviv as a central factor (see Abib Faq). The modern equinox followers also fail to understand how the ancient sources used the equinox. Simply put, the ancient Pharisee system (Talmud and Josephus) was NOT based on the first NEW MOON after the vernal equinox! Instead, the ancient Pharisee equinox system was based on the 16th day of the month that fell out after the Vernal Equinox. It was completely acceptable in the ancient Pharisee system for the New Moon of the First Month to fall out before the vernal equinox, as long as the 16th day of that month fell out after the equinox.

Ironically, based on the ANCIENT equinox system, Feast of Unleavened Bread would begin March 25, 2005, not next month as in the Hillel II calendar. This point was recently brought out by Y. Loewinger, a Rabbanite engineer who researches the ancient and modern Rabbinic calendars. Loewinger recently published a paper on the internet entitled "Have We Intercalated 5765 in Vain?" In his article Loewinger, an Orthodox Rabbanite Jew who follows the modern Rabbanite calendar, writes:

"Had we not added an intercalated month this year... the first day of Passover would have fallen out on the 25th of March, 2005, 30 days before when it actually falls out [on the Rabbanite calendar]. It turns out, therefore, that according to all opinions, Passover would have fallen out... after the equinox on March 20, even if we had not intercalated the year... This intercalation is causing Passover to be celebrated this year after the Month of the Aviv" (p.2).

Loewinger's original Hebrew article can be downloaded from:
http://www.karaite-korner.org/downloads/loewinger.zip

Nehemia Gordon
Jerusalem, Israel


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EliShua

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posted 03-20-2005 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EliShua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by david_ben_yacob:
To then ignore all the documentation in history about how this was done by the nation of Israel before and during the 1st century is compounding that error.

david_ben_yacob makes a very good point here.

I ran across an excellent, and very short article that addresses just that issue - just how was the new year determined in the days of Yahushua and his disciples. An excerpt reads:

""in tractate Sanhedrin letters are quoted which were sent out by Rabbi Simeon ben Gamaliel and Rabban Gamaliel II. Simeon, son of Gamaliel I and head of the Sanhedrin in the two decades before the destruction of the Temple, wrote as follows. ‘We beg to inform you that the doves are still tender and the lambs are still young, and the grain has not yet ripened. I have considered the matter and thought it advisable to add thirty days to the year" (Finegan 38). From this we can see, even from the Talmud Tractate Sanhedrin, that during the time of Yeshua the presence of ripe grain was the determining factor used to calculate the first of the biblical months."

This can be found at:

http://www.transitionalstate.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=213

In the service of the Master,

EliShua

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EliShua

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posted 03-20-2005 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EliShua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Regarding the issue of Equinox vs. Barley to determine the moedim, and a short history of who it is that used the equinoxes in holy day determination, I ran across the following (short) article:

http://www.yrm.org/equinox_or_barley.htm

In the service of the Master,

EliShua

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Shalom,

I was going through my emails, and came across this from Nehemiah Gorden. I do not believe that it has yet been posted on this forum, so I am presenting it for the consideration of those who have not seen it.

March 15, 2005 5:38 AM

Karaite Korner Newsletter #199

More on Aviv 2005

There has been some confusion with this recent Aviv Search.
Three people came over from the US looking for Aviv barley
and have been spreading an incorrect declaration that the
Month of the Aviv will not be for another month. This
other rather inexperienced team is claiming that even though Aviv barley
WAS found, it is not relevant for various reasons. I will
attempt to shed light on some of these reasons.

One reason the other team claims Aviv cannot be for
another month is that it was raining throughout the several
days they were in Israel and therefore it is still the rainy
season, not the harvest season. It is sad that someone who
does not understand the climatic cycles of Israel would rush
to judgment like this. In fact, Israel has a weather cycle
called a Sharav/ Chamsin which consists of several days
to several weeks of dry intense heat which is always broken
by a rainstorm. These cycles continue intermittently well into
April and cannot be used as an indicator for determining
harvest time. It also rains intermittently independent of the
Sharav cycle well into April.

A second reason the other team claims that the Aviv
found is not valid is because we only looked at barley
growing along the side of the road. This is simply untrue.
As mentioned in the previous Aviv report, we learned a
number of years ago that barley growing just off the asphalt
is not admissible because the heat from the asphalt causes it
to ripen artificially early. We did look at barley NEAR the
road, but not just off the asphalt which artificially ripens
early. All the Aviv barley we found was far enough off the
road that it could not have been influenced by the artificial
heat from the road.

A third reason why the other team claims that the
Aviv found is not valid is that the regions it was growing
cannot sustain harvestable barley. This is simply not true. In
fact, the soil east of Jerusalem, at the edge of the Judean
Desert, is the traditional place for growing barley. This is for
a very simple reason. The soil in this area has a high saline
content which makes it bad for growing wheat but perfect for
growing barley. In biblical times this entire region was
covered in agricultural terraces. Every mountainside and
valley bottom was covered with barley. Today the area has
been infiltrated by Bedouin who raise sheep and goats. The
flocks of sheep and goats are like lawnmowers, eating
everything in their paths. One of the reasons this area looks
like it does today is because these sheep and goats are
allowed free reign. In ancient times the sheep and goats
would have been kept out of the fields of grain. Today these
flocks pose a great challenge to look for Aviv barley. We
can only find barley in areas the sheep and goats have not yet
reached. The area of Ein Mabua is ideal because it is a nature
reserve and sheep and goats are forbidden from entering
there. Other areas we found Aviv barley are near Jewish
towns which the Arab shepherds are discouraged from
approaching. Everything else has been desolated by these
living lawnmowers. This does not invalidate the fact that
barley has reached the state of Aviv in this region. Had the
sheep and goats been kept at bay, the entire region would be
blanketed by Aviv barley, just as the areas where the flocks
have not reached are blanketed with it.

A fourth claim of the other team is that the barley
we are looking at is not harvestable. They cite the New
Testament as proof that barley growing on rocky soil will
burn up in the heat and they are claiming that barley in the
Judean Desert and Jordan Valley is the type described in the
New Testament. While I am not a believer in the New
Testament, I do know how to read. The verse in question
appears in Matthew chapter 13, in a parable which describes
a sewer who plants on different types of ground. In verses 5-
6 it talks about how some of the seed falls on stony places:

"Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much
earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no
deepness of earth: And when the sun was up, they were
scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away."

This is clearly describing grain that has just sprouted after a
rainstorm but then dies early on before the next rain comes
because there is not enough water in the soil to sustain it. In
the early part of the rainy season the rain falls with great
intervals between one rain and the next. This is a parable
comprehensible to anyone who is familiar with the climate of
Israel. On the other hand, the Aviv barley we found this year
has reached FULL MATURITY because it was growing in
areas with deep soil, either on valley bottoms or on ancient
agricultural terraces.

A fifth claim which has been made by the other
team is that the barley in the Judean Desert and Jordan Valley
is not harvestable. They claim it is not harvestable because it
shatters easily. They think it shatters easily because of the
heat in these regions, but in this instance their inexperience
shines through. At this point, I need to clarify the different
varieties of barley growing in Israel. There are three basic
kinds: 6-row domesticated barley, 2-row domesticated
barley, and 2-row wild barley. We looked at all three
varieties to determine the state of the Aviv even though it is
thought that the 2-row wild barley is the closest
representation of what was grown in ancient Israel. In my
experience, the 2-row wild and 2-row domesticated ripen at
about the same time, while the 6-row may ripen slightly later.
This year we found both 2-row wild barley and 2-row
domesticated barley in the state of Aviv. The 2-row wild
barley is far more abundant, while the domesticated barley is
somewhat rare. I should note that the other team
ONLY looks at 2-row WILD barley. The problem with wild
barley is that the heads shatter very easily whereas
domesticated barley requires much more effort to shatter the
heads. Wild barley NEEDS to have heads that shatter easily
for the very reason that it is growing voluntarily (by itself). If
the heads did not shatter easily, wild barley would not be able
to reproduce. No one in Israel plants wild barley because it
produces smaller seeds than domesticated barley and because
the heads shatter more easily. All the wild barley in Israel
grows voluntarily, not in planted fields. The only barley in
planted fields is the two-row domesticated barley which has
been selectively bread to produce larger kernels. Wild barley
can be harvested but it will produce a low yield because
many of the seeds will fall during harvesting. This is the case
with wild barley EVERYWHERE it grows, whether in the
Judean Desert or Tel Aviv. I challenge these
people to come back to Israel and show me one field of
WILD barley anywhere in the country which has reached
harvestable maturity according to their timeframe without
shattering! If they are right, there will be fields of wild
barley on April 24 (Day of Wave-Sheaf according to their
false reckoning) which will be harvest-ripe that will not have
shattered. I challenge them to come to Israel to harvest this
barley with a sickle and show me that this is somehow more
valid than barley growing in the Judean Desert or Jordan
valley.

This year was one of the clearest and most definitive Aviv
barley finds I have ever seen. The Month of the Aviv has
arrived beyond any doubt! Yet people without adequate
experience have come over for a few days, sewed confusion,
and left before they can even check if what they have said
will follow through. I want to make an open invitation to
anyone who wants to join us for next year's Aviv Search.
You can come and see for yourself. The evidence is right
there on the ground all over the place. Next year's Aviv
Search will take place at the end of the 12th Month on Feb
27-28, 2006. A second search will be held on March 28-29,
2006. If you are interested in participating, please contact me
at:
ngordon4@yahoo.com

Nehemia Gordon
Jerusalem, Israel


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Shlomoh

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quote:
Originally posted by YermeYah:
This year was one of the clearest and most definitive Aviv
barley finds I have ever seen. The Month of the Aviv has
arrived beyond any doubt! Yet people without adequate
experience have come over for a few days, sewed confusion,
and left before they can even check if what they have said
will follow through. I want to make an open invitation to
anyone who wants to join us for next year's Aviv Search.
You can come and see for yourself. Nehemia Gordon
Jerusalem, Israel


Shalom All,

As the link in the post above http://steve.bruns.com/abib2005.html showed, there is a "hung jury" on the abib question this year. I suggest you read the information on this link and not be hoodwinked by Nehemia's self exaltation in the matter of "adequate experience."

Shlomoh

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leejosepho

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posted 03-20-2005 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leejosepho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by EliShua:
I ran across an excellent, and very short article that addresses ... just how was the new year determined in the days of Yahushua and his disciples. An excerpt reads:

"... 'We beg to inform you that the doves are still tender and the lambs are still young, and the grain has not yet ripened. I have considered the matter and thought it advisable to add thirty days to the year' (Finegan 38). From this we can see, even from the Talmud Tractate Sanhedrin, that during the time of Yeshua the presence of ripe grain was the determining factor used to calculate the first of the biblical months."


Shalom, EliShua.

Thank you for that excerpt, and please know I do not argue any "position" on this or any matter. Rather, I continue trying to sort things out ... and now I have come across this (as referenced in the article you had linked):

“And the flax and the barley were smitten, for the barley was in the head and the flax was in bud. But the wheat and the spelt were not smitten, for they were late crops. And Mosheh went out of the city from Pharaoh and spread out his hands ...” (Exodus 9:31-33).

Does that report from Scripture not contradict this: "'... the grain has not yet ripened ...' ... during the time of Yeshua the presence of ripe grain was the determining factor used to calculate the first of the biblical months"?

...

Ah. I just now see that maybe it does not ...

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How was Abib counted during the time of Yeshua? To find the answer to how our mentor would have kept this crucial month, we must look into the biblical record of priestly service at the Temple. The most important item that the Temple priests needed for Passover was ripe barley for the offering of the Omer. This offering is commanded in Leviticus 23:5-10. The offering was to begin when the Israelites harvested the first produce in the land. The priest was to make this offering on the day after the Shabbat (Lev. 23:11).
This was an important issue to the Israelite during the time of the 2nd Temple. The day after the Sabbath when this first wave offering was presented began the counting of the Omer. This counting is crucial in calculating the second spring Holy Day of Shavuot (Pentecost-Lev. 23:15-16). During the 2nd Temple, the priest would have had to wait for the green barley to appear. This would enable them to make the Omer offering. This witness demonstrates Israel’s dependence on the agricultural provision of YHWH.


BS"D
This excerpt was taken from the article that Elishua posted: http://www.transitionalstate.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=213

The comments made in this excerpt are not historically supported. It is stated that, "The priest was to make this offering on the day after the Shabbat (Lev. 23:11). This was an important issue to the Israelite during the time of the 2nd Temple. The day after the Sabbath when this first wave offering was presented began the counting of the Omer"

There is no historical records that the omer was ever brought as a wave offering on the day after the Shabbat. On the other hand there is historical documentation that the omer was brought on the day (Nisan 16) after the yearly Sabbath of Pesach (Nisan 15).

At that time, the Temple was controlled by the Hasmonean Sadducees which followed the calendar of the Perushim and Sanhedrin. There were only a sub-group of the Sadducees that held opposing views from the Perushim - the group known as Beitutim (house of sin) or as commonly referred to as 'Boethusians.'

Historical documents records the omer wave-offering was always brought on Nisan 16 each year (as does Sefer Yohoshua) and there is absoulutely no evidence of any Temple observance apart from the observance of the Perushim.

Josephus states very clearly that during the Second Temple period the omer was brought on Nisan 16 "On the second day of unleavened bread, which is the sixteenth day of the month, they first partake of the fruits of the earth, for before that day they do not touch them" (Ant. III. X. 5).

The incorrectness of the Sadducees observances is culminated in the words of Yshua, who said that Sadducees did not know the Scriptures (Matt. 22:29).

Rivkah

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greetings,

my understanding is that Y'hoshua made the ultimate sacrifice on Passover that was held on Nisan 14, 33
I believe that corresponds to after sunset this coming thursday March 24th. I will comemorate his sacrifice as he commanded at Luke 22:19

one sheep

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Dear EliShua,

I don't think your posting of the article from YRM is benifitial to determining the truth. With all due respect for YRM, They paganize everyone that does not agree with them on the vernal equinox. I can find pagan references to the name of Yahueh being placed on idols but does this mean that I would lend merit to such things. Genesis 1:14-18 speaks of something long before any of the idolators polutted anything!

I also know YATI published and gave out that the equinox is later than the actual vernal equinox taken at the equator. According to what I know this is not true because equal day and equal night actually occur about the 17th of March in the Northern hemishphere. I will say I am not an astronomer and could be wrong on this but from all the Farmer's Almanacs I have looked at this is the case. If anyone reading this has objective data that the equal day and equal night in Israel would occur later than March 20 than please show me since I live only a few miles from the show me state of Missouri I have been wrong and will probably be wrong again. I am just trying to prove all things and hold fast to that which is good like the noble Bereans.

I am convinced that this is not Abib even according to the ripening of the barley. I also do not believe it is just having returned from South Texas to Northern Arkansas. In south Texas the vegetation is in an early stage of growth and it is very wet, and chilly at night as in Israel. Here in Northern Arkansas it is chilly and cold. I do believe the reports from others that this barley is in a region by a roadside where micro environmental factors lead to a early maturing of one field. I don't really trust the method Nehemiah Gordon used after hearing from this witness from the COG 7th Day. I don't understand why he rushed to report this one field before examining all the fields in Isreal either. South Texas near Corpus Christi is on the gulf and much like the land of Israel in their weather in regards to latitude so this does influence my thinking about what has been discussed.

I will admit I am biased because I believe the barley harvest will in general coincide with the new moon on or after tequfah i.e. the vernal equinox in this case based upon all objective data I have reveiwed. The fall equinox also will not line up with the early dates some observe for the Feast of Tabernacles. The Scriptural reference in Exodus 34 tells us that it should be the end of the year or turn of the year is tequfah and definately refers to the fall equinox.

There are 60 different varieties of barley in the Middle East some early and some late so how are we to know when Abib is based solely on this information?

I want to objectively look at these things and one person has told me there is a web site that shows that the new moon nearest to equinox lines up with Abib for celebrating the feast or that there were years that have been documented in the 1st century and before where Israel kept the Passover by a new moon before the vernal equinox. I am searching for this information and it anyone reading this post knows where it is at please show me. All the information from Philo and Josephus I have seen shows that the feast was always a on or after the equinox new moon.

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quote:
Originally posted by david_ben_yacob:

I also know YATI published and gave out that the equinox is later than the actual vernal equinox taken at the equator. According to what I know this is not true because equal day and equal night actually occur about the 17th of March in the Northern hemishphere. I will say I am not an astronomer and could be wrong on this but from all the Farmer's Almanacs I have looked at this is the case. If anyone reading this has objective data that the equal day and equal night in Israel would occur later than March 20 than please show me since I live only a few miles from the show me state of Missouri I have been wrong and will probably be wrong again. I am just trying to prove all things and hold fast to that which is good like the noble Bereans.

I am convinced that this is not Abib even according to the ripening of the barley. I also do not believe it is just having returned from South Texas to Northern Arkansas. In south Texas the vegetation is in an early stage of growth and it is very wet, and chilly at night as in Israel. Here in Northern Arkansas it is chilly and cold. I do believe the reports from others that this barley is in a region by a roadside where micro environmental factors lead to a early maturing of one field. I don't really trust the method Nehemiah Gordon used after hearing from this witness from the COG 7th Day. I don't understand why he rushed to report this one field before examining all the fields in Isreal either. South Texas near Corpus Christi is on the gulf and much like the land of Israel in their weather in regards to latitude so this does influence my thinking about what has been discussed.



Shalom David,

The equinox used in the calculations for the traditional calendar is the old Roman equinox on March 25, which is now a few days after the actual equinox due to calendar changes. It is the same as X-Mass originally being on the winter solstice on December 25 but now being a few days later than the actual solstice.

Of course March 12 is still nearer to March 25 than April 10 is, but in the tradional calendar the molad (conjunction) is what they go by, not the postponements. Accordingly, April 8 is closer to March 25 than March 10 is, and that is why the traditonal calendar went with the later date this year.

The same is true of the Samaritan calendar, which goes by the conjunction after the March 25 equinox date. This is why they were a month later than everybody else last year.

I agree that we have a "hung jury" on the question of abib ripeness this year. After Nehemiah's fiasco with proclaiming the seventh new moon last year from Jerusalem with only one witness, I think that he has an agenda to push.

I too would like to see the proof that the first month was determined by new moons that fell before the equinox in the second temple period. All the evidence I have ever seen shows an on or after the equinox calculation. This is the only type of calendar that can work in the diasporia where people are cut off from news from the holy land, besides the traditional calendar.

Later,

Shlomoh

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Shalom all,

I am learning along with you all, and I came across the term "GNOMON"

From one site I found this information:
scroll down to where it starts about calculation of Abib

http://www.cbl.com.au/~bga/godcal.htm#ABIB

So I did a google about "gnomon" history, and found:

http://www.beaglesoft.com/maintimehistory.htm#Using%20the%20Sun

I appears that they had their own way of determing time back then,
would you think this method a reliable one?

Thanks,
Blessings to all in Yahushua,
Tamar

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Isayah 2:3--

...and He will teach us of His Ways, and we will walk in His paths: because OUT OF ZION will come forth the Law, and the word of Yahweh FROM Y'RUSALEM.

According to the ripening of barley found in the Jerusalem and Mt. Zion area, which month is ABIB? If the law is to come forth out of Zion, it appears that we should be looking for "green ears" around the Mount Zion temple area. The ripening of barley varies dramatically according to location. Have a blessed memorial service and joyous feast, no matter which month (civil Mar. or April) you are observing it in...

Shalom!


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