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Originally posted by Acheson:
You ... responded to Mesobaite's question with what appeared to be a "proof quote" attesting to what you apparently believe is evidence that a certain individual was indeed going to great lengths to defend the name YHWH ...

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No, Larry, I did not make that post to bear witness related to any individual. I had only showed that something someone had asked about had already at least once been done.

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All I did was demonstrate that this same individual is on record in this thread as ...

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... and there is the “smoking gun” ...

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By illustrating [a personal belief] that this individual had contradicted himself ...

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See?

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I am acquainted with lots of people who ... if they express ... and then they later say ... I have no choice but to believe they have contradicted themselves ...

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... and to publicly express that belief – gossip – is to be guilty of talking about those people.

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I don't believe you can quote someone who contradicts himself and expect it to be believed.

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I did not make my post with any expectations at all -- I only made it to give a simple report.

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I maintain my innocence, Lee. If you disagree, please, please, report my post, for I prefer to not conduct any further discussions with you. I am sorry it has come to this, but it has.

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Your claim of “innocence” actually amounts to what some folks perceive as “justifiable gossip”, but your offense is not anywhere near being sufficiently serious for me to believe it necessary to tattle to EliYah.

Mountain Jew: As a usually perceptive person who has no big issue with your judgment concerning who might actually be perceptive, those two statements you have made do seem to me contradictory.

Larry: Now just watch quietly as MJ's character might possibly reveal itself.

Shalom.

You wrote:

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Larry: Now just watch quietly as MJ's character might possibly reveal itself.

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I reply: Please understand that I am really not interested in this sort of discussion. That is most certainly not why I joined it in the first place. It's difficult enough discussing this topic without raising objections and the like ... I really do not want to make "character" a part of this.

Although MJ and I strongly disagree on this issue, I do not question his love for YHWH and Yeshua the Messiah. That is the only real "character" I'm interested in.

Moreover, believe it or not, I can accept his comment that the two statements I quoted are not contradictory ... but I need to quickly add that I perceive they are not contradictory to him. Whenever I use a title, I am accustomed to preceding it with either an article ("a", "the," etc.) or a pronoun ("our," "his," "that," etc.) to ensure that the reader or listener understands that I am not using it as a name. It is a fact that "God" in its present English form can function either as a name or a title, so to distinguish the name from a title, I purposely leave out the article/pronoun.

I understand that this is not a grammatical requirement, per se, so I cannot require that MJ abide by my own personal practice. For example, in Psalms 75:1 we read, "Unto Thee, O Elohim, do we give thanks ...." The common practice of the English translators was to simply translate "Elohim" as "God." They didn't render it "our God" so as to clearly indicate that they were translating a title, as I would have done (if I had supported referring to YHWH as "our God," that is).

In that regard, I can understand how, for MJ, he was not contradicting himself. From my perspective, it's a contradiction. From his, it's not, and I can understand why he would believe that way. I'm not really interested in debating it because I know it's simply a matter of personal perspective, plus that isn't really what this thread is all about anyway.

Rather than try and scrutinize each other's character, how about just giving each other a clean slate, as Messiah has done, and presume that we are all striving to please the Father, even if we all have disagreements as to how to go about doing it? I'm not here to condemn or demean anyone, in spite of opinions to the contrary. The fact is, this is a very sensitive issue for lots of people, including myself, so I know how difficult it can be to strike a balance between expressing one's beliefs on this topic while maintaining a pleasant relationship.

Yours in Messiah,

Larry

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Originally posted by Mountain Jew:
leejosepho: I apologize if it were not more obvious that I was merely being facetious when I said "Thank God". Even in doing so, I did not contradict my own beliefs or practices.

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Shalom, Mountain Jew.

Although I had not taken the time to go back and read your remark in its full context, I had imagined it might have had an underlying element of sarcasm or whatever, and if I might presume to do so, I readily accept your apology for even saying such a thing at all.

Larry: One of my primary reasons for being so presumptuously tough – a self-appointment of sorts – on matters relating to even the mildest of character assassinations, even if done quite unwittingly, is really a simple one: I often come here after a cab-dispatching-shift such as I have just completed ... here sparing you the details. However, and as I am sure you are equally aware, I am far from being the only one here who comes for some of the kind of fellowship that is found in no other place than such as right here among the brethren.

Will I (or will even you?!) ever cease “nit-picking” words, meanings, semantics and/or whatever? For the duration of life as we presently know it, likely not. But if you ever see me do anything that in even the slightest way appears to bring any kind of gain at the expense of another human being, please correct me, harshly if necessary, and immediately. For overall, I do understand and agree with your thought that a witness does his or her best when consistent.

Mountain Jew: You have written, and have asked, “Maybe ... [June] could continue the posting and give Larry some much needed rest. I think that would be a welcome change. What do you think?”

Personally, I think you should also give it a rest, my fellow ... and as for me: now back to the porch.