The HRV versions of the Books of Genesis and Matthew have been placed on the HRV webpage in PDF files. These versions are in the actual page lay-out of the HRV including headings and footnotes. Since the HRV is about 8 1/2 x 11 in size these are about the same page size and print size as the actual Bible will be.

To download and view these files and to learn more about the HRV (Hebraic Roots Version) just visit the HRV website at:

I noticed on your site that you are binding the HRV with bonded leather. I have researched this subject thoroughly and have found out (1) that there are relatively few book binding companies who bind scriptures for the the major publishers and they all use pigskin fibers mixed with latex (generally 90% fibers to 10% latex) to bind the scriptures (2) Only "top grain cowhide", "genuine calfskin", Genuine "Morroccan leather" (goat/sheep skin) are the types of book binding leathers that are not pigskin. "Bonded leather" , "genuine leather", and "top grain leather" are pigskin products in the book binding industry. Myself and another believer have contacted the various companies to verify this. Interesting enough, after contacting Zondervan (world's largest producers of scriptures) they took down their web page that explained that ALL their scriptures are bound in "genuine bonded leather made from quality pigskin"......Quite fitting that defiled translations are bound in defiled coverings.

You may want to address this issue....

Here are a few sites that discuss the leather types but they don't identify for "bonded leather" what the "100% genuine leather fibers" are......that you have to actually inquire about to get to the truth of the matter.

http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byform/mailing-lists/bookarts/2002/04/msg00046.html

http://www.longs-roullet.com/bondedleather.htm

If the HRV is "genuine bonded leather" it is highly probable that it is genuine pigskin......FYI

2. We did this for those that have a problem with this issue in their own mind. In fact the kosher laws only apply to food. The Torah does not forbid one from using unkosher animals in other ways. The Tabernacle was made from the skins of an unkosher animal (some translations have seal skins and others have badger skins) and the word TECHLET which is translated "blue" in reference to the TZITZIT described in Numbers 15 refers to a dye from an unkosher animal as well (either a squid or a snail). There does not seem to be a Torah command against using such items, even for sacred use. Those who are Torah Observantr may wear leather shoes of any type, play football with a "pigskin" and have dogs and cats as pets in their home. But they cannot eat them.

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Originally posted by James Trimm:

1. We took this issue up with the printer previiously and they assured us that the leather source is cowhide.

2. We did this for those that have a problem with this issue in their own mind. In fact the kosher laws only apply to food. The Torah does not forbid one from using unkosher animals in other ways. The Tabernacle was made from the skins of an unkosher animal (some translations have seal skins and others have badger skins) and the word TECHLET which is translated "blue" in reference to the TZITZIT described in Numbers 15 refers to a dye from an unkosher animal as well (either a squid or a snail). There does not seem to be a Torah command against using such items, even for sacred use. Those who are Torah Observantr may wear leather shoes of any type, play football with a "pigskin" and have dogs and cats as pets in their home. But they cannot eat them.

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Mr. Trimm,

Actually the Hebrew word that is translated "badgers' skins" in Shemowt (Exodus) 35:7 and other places is "Tachash" (Strongs #8476) and refers to the fur of a clean animal. It is also used as a garment type in Yechezqel (Ezekiel)16:10. To say that Yahweh clothes us and His mishkan in the skins of unclean animals would be a picture of defilement. The "jury" is still out on the true source of techelet also.

Wayiqraa (Leviticus) 11:2-11
3 Among the animals, whatever divides the hoof, having cloven hooves and chewing the cud--that you may eat. 4 Nevertheless these you shall not eat among those that chew the cud or those that have cloven hooves: the camel, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 5 the rock hyrax, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 6 the hare, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 7 and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. 8 Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. They are unclean to you.

9'These you may eat of all that are in the water: whatever in the water has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers--that you may eat. 10 But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you. 11 They shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination.
NKJV

The carcasses/flesh of the unclean animals we are to detest, period. We are not to touch these, and if we do we are unclean until ereb (evening). I would disagree, according to hatorah of yahweh, that it is O.K. to use unclean skins. If you can show otherwise in the written torah, please do.

If you believe the Aramaic "done away" with the Ayin, what gives you a secure feeling with doing away with it as well?

4 And the same John had his

[raiment] of ------------> [camel's hair],

and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.

Leviticus 11:4
Nevertheless these shall ye

not -----> [eat of them]

that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof:

as the -----> [camel],

because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

CROMWELL LEATHER GROUP
147 Palmer Avenue, Mamaroneck, New York 10543, USA
Telephone (914) 381-0100 - Fax (914) 381-0046

TARATAN II Ū BONDED LEATHER

Thickness: Approximately 0.35 millimeter

TECHNICAL DESCRIPTION

TARATAN IIŪ is made of 100% cowhide leather fibers that are latex bonded. This accounts for its leather smell and feel. TARATAN II'SŪ softness makes it especially easy to turn or fold. In addition, it can be cut and used in any direction.

TARATAN IIŪ is grained in a flat press. Enormous pressure is applied with an engraved metal plate, molding the leather fibers with beat and extended dwell-time. You can see the clarity of the grain and feel the depth.

Mayan, what I witness being done is various organizations coming out with "their" version of the scriptures including the names of their choice.

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Originally posted by shmaland:

Actually the Hebrew word that is translated "badgers' skins" in Shemowt (Exodus) 35:7 and other places is "Tachash" (Strongs #8476) and refers to the fur of a clean animal. It is also used as a garment type in Yechezqel (Ezekiel)16:10. To say that Yahweh clothes us and His mishkan in the skins of unclean animals would be a picture of defilement. The "jury" is still out on the true source of techelet also.

Wayiqraa (Leviticus) 11:2-11
...their carcasses you shall not touch. They are unclean to you.

... you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination.
NKJV

The carcasses/flesh of the unclean animals we are to detest, period. We are not to touch these, and if we do we are unclean until ereb (evening). I would disagree, according to hatorah of yahweh, that it is O.K. to use unclean skins. If you can show otherwise in the written torah, please do.

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Yes, I would agree here shmaland. We had this issue up in our assembly and came to this conclusion. Some would hold that it only applied to food issues.

Shalom,

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Originally posted by mayan:
Wannabe,

I think that we are better off using a name that we believe is correct, instead of using a "name" that we know is wrong. What do you think?

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Yes Mayan, I agree.

I believe that Sovereignty and election negates the whole pronunciation issue.

Psa 139:4 For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O YHWH, thou knowest it altogether.

Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of Elohim, which is in Messiah Yeshua our Master.

Neither do I believe that speech impediments, the obfuscation of scribes,
nor the mind-control-name-games of cults, can separate us from His love.

I have got so much to say on this subject, stored up from my eight year journey
in the Messianic/Yahwist realm, but little time to do it. When I recieved the
call to Torah, and the names, it blew me away. Suddenly, everything I knew was wrong; one of my few comforts was that at least if "they" were right, I'd be
annihilated in the end, and not face eternal torture for my inability to discover the precise pronunciation of the "magic name", the only handle, and only channel on the divine CB radio that the Almighty was listening on.

YHWH knows our hearts. He has known every word that will flit off tongues, since before the worlds were formed!

Every where I turned, it seemed, another group was telling me I was doomed to destruction because I didn't pronounce the name THEIR way. Not to mention all the pagan root-words in the days of the weeks, and the months, etc. Just about everything, from decorative designs on my silverware, to owning pets assured me a front-row seat in Hell!

Every time I started to stabilize (I wasn't sleeping well, and could barely eat for weeks, so upset had I become) along came another website. I am very blessed now, to be able to laugh when the next one comes around the bend.
The last one that made me laugh was something like "Oh no! The modern Hebrew alphabet is actually based on occult crypto-Phonecian pictograms that they used to transmit proto-masonic secrets!" Or was it the big flap over the Roman
name j o v e?

Anyway, can you imagine it? Can you imagine our loving Creator, of whom it is said "Elohim is love" sitting on his throne as we pray, cupping a hand to one ear and saying with a mocking smile "I caaaaan't heeeeear yoooouuu!" until we finally pronounce his name correctly (if anyone; if ever?)

And when it comes to calling on His name in prayer, we have a mediator who
passes them along for us, and who most emphaticaly does know the name,
and pronounces it perfectly for us:

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of Elohim.

Unless of course you believe Paul was a proto-jesuit infiltrator....

All of this doesn't obviate the need for an ongoing search for truth, and
weeding-out of fallacy; but there is such need for sensitivity and grace.
I have met many people who have been bruised or broken by their experiences
with the Messianic/Yahwist cults/movements. And so many whose practice is wildly out of balance. And many who lament the fractional, factional, disunified, isolating, alienating, doubt-fostering tendencies so unfortunately (oops, I used the name of a pagan goddess!) prevalent in these groups and individuals.

Ugh! It's 1:30 AM!

O.D.

There are individuals I see tring to get every annual festival and weekly rest competely "perfect", yet when you mention a letter such as the 'Ayin' is missing in the redeemers name, people don't seem to care much, maybe some "toss it aside" and think it doesn't really matter as long as they get His feasts right!

Look very closely in the last chapter in the book of life, you will notice nothing said about people being redeemed through the proper understanding and times of His set apart days, do you?

p.s. Its 2:24 AM and Im very sleepy, I can't belive Im still sitting here at my computer, another addiction Ill have to shake.