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Originally posted by James Trimm:
All,

The HRV versions of the Books of Genesis and Matthew have been placed on the HRV webpage in PDF files. These versions are in the actual page lay-out of the HRV including headings and footnotes. Since the HRV is about 8 1/2 x 11 in size these are about the same page size and print size as the actual Bible will be.

To download and view these files and to learn more about the HRV (Hebraic Roots Version) just visit the HRV website at:

http://www.hebraicrootsversion.com

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Mr. Trimm,

On the subject of the issues with the name of YHWH and the associated mistranslations issues there is a position you are expousing that has foundational translation errors and I would ask that you address this as you are promoting your translation of the word of YHWH........You are promoting a position stating that the Masoretic text translators were using the vowel pointing from the word ELOAH instead of ADONAI when (mis)translating the name of YHWH. I am assuming that you are referring to Strong's Hebrew Word #433 (for ELOAH)

The first vowel point in ELOAH is a compound shewa [e.g. Hateph Seghol]
while the first vowel point in Yehovah is a simple shewa.

Your statement may sound correct in English vowel pointing; that the vowels E-O-A come from ELOAH, but in Hebrew the "E" in "ELOAH" is not the same as the "E" in "Yehovah"

However, I do differentiate between the god of the state, and the God of Abraham. I no longer assume that the state really means the God of Moses as known in the Torah, but a god reformed in the image of the state. To pretend that YHWH endorses any state on earth today is mistaken. It is like Chenaanah, the prophet of Baal, using the name YHWH to try and fool Yahushaphat.

YHWH in the Massoretic tradition (but not usually the Leningrad Codex) is pointed as:

Yôd w/ shewa’
Hê’
Vâv w/ qâmets and chôlem
Hê’

Slight variances and exceptions set aside, this is usually the case. Most examples in the Leningrad Codex, the text used for the BHS and most critical editions, frequently omits the chôlem; the vowel points in the Leningrad Codex may be related to the Aramaic form "shemâ’" for "the name".

The Yôd is pointed with a shewa because Yôd at the beginning of a word does not take a compound shewa (aka ultra short vowel / chatef vowels).

Conversely, examples where YHWH is preceded by ’adonây, YHWH is pointed with the vowels for ’elohîm (usually shewa’/chîreq or shewa’/chôlem/chîreq).

There are exceptions, but the above is accurate for most examples (but an exception: Gen 15:2,8; probably to be explained by the fact Genesis rarely uses the phrase, "Lord Yahweh" which is common in the Prophets).

There are over a dozen spelling variances in the Leningrad Codex, and when this tradition is compared with other textual traditions there are yet even more. The general gist is that, in general, the Massoretic tradition preserves vowel pointings of the Qere (what is read) or of the surrogate shemâ’ (the name; vowels shewa-qâmets).

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Originally posted by Oily Drew:

Unless of course you believe Paul was a proto-jesuit infiltrator....

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Speaking of proto-jesuit infiltrators, it appears that Rome is trying to repeat the perverting of Scriptures it does so cleverly, by creating the so-called Hebrew Roots version. Has anyone noticed the controversial "Diploma" that the author of this version claims? See it at the following sites:

http://www.seekgod.ca/trimmdiploma.htm
http://www.seekgod.ca/trimmdiploma2.htm

I just hope that Messianics, whom the author of this version is targeting, will discern the nature of the controversies surrounding the author's personal life, in his claim to an authentic education. Remember Yahushua said:

Luke 6:43b "...neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."

If the diploma the author claims to have is indeed a bogus, mail-order diploma, I would think he would have made sure that it had no appearance of evil, in the eyes of those he would try to fool.

If on the other hand, however, the diploma is legitimate, then the diploma speaks for itself. Its a lose-lose situation either way. Messianics, BEWARE!!!

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Originally posted by James Trimm:
All,

The HRV versions of the Books of Genesis and Matthew have been placed on the HRV webpage in PDF files. These versions are in the actual page lay-out of the HRV including headings and footnotes. Since the HRV is about 8 1/2 x 11 in size these are about the same page size and print size as the actual Bible will be.

To download and view these files and to learn more about the HRV (Hebraic Roots Version) just visit the HRV website at:

http://www.hebraicrootsversion.com

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I am posting the following links concerning the above stated "HRV" scriptures....I have posted these in this order to put out both sides of the story. This is a serious issue and each person must be aware and convinced in his/her own heart concering their actions:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nazarene_fraud_victims/message/110

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nazarene_fraud_victims/message/115

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nazarene_fraud_victims/

http://www.trimmfamily.com/Slander.htm

The term “Masorah” refers to the marginal notes which were transmitted by the Masorites along with the Masoretic Text. The notes transmitted in the side margins are called the “Masorah Parva” or “Masorah Katonah”. The notes transmitted on the top and bottom margins are the “Masorah Magna” also known as “Masorah Gedolah”. Finally the notes transmitted at the end of the text are the Masorah Finalis.

Among the notes preserved in the Massorah Gedolah are those of the Tikkun Soferim (“Emendations of the Scribes”). Among the Tikkun Soferim are eighteen notations which indicate that the scribes, finding the original reading irreverent, emended the reading to one less offensive. Each of these eighteen readings are indicated with footnotes in the HRV (see notes to Gen. 18:22; Num. 11:15; 12:12; 1Sam. 3:13; 2Sam. 16:12; 20:1; 1Kn. 12:16; Jer. 2:11; Ezek. 8:17; Hose 4:7; Hab. 1:12; Zech. 2:12; Mal. 1:13; Job 7:20; 32:3; Lam. 3:20 and 2Chron. 10:16). These footnotes also compare other textual readings from other witnesses such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, Samaritan Pentateuch, Septuagint, Peshitta Tanak and Targums to these readings.

The Massorah also notes 134 places where the Masoretic Text reads “Adonai” but which, according to the Masorah, originally read “YHWH”. In each of these locations the HRV has “YHWH” in the main text along with a footnote explaining that the Masoretic Text reads “Adonai” but that the Massorah indicates the original reading was “YHWH”. These footnotes also compare readings from other textual witnesses as to whether they support YHWH or Adonai in the reading in question.

There are also several places where the Masoretic Text reads “Elohim” but which the Massorah indicates the original reading was “YHWH”. In these verses the HRV has “ELOHIM” in all caps.

(For documentation regarding the Massorah and the Tikkun Soferim see: Old Testament Textual Criticism, a Practical Introduction by Ellis R. Brotzman pp. 54-55, 116-120; The Masorah of Biblia Hebraica Struttgartensia by Kelley, Mynatt and Crawford pp. 1-11, 23-28, 37-43, 191; The Tiqqune Sopherim by C. McCarthy; “Scribal Emendations” by E.J. Revell, Anchor Bible Dictionary; Introduction to the Massoretic-Critical Edition of the Hebrew Bible, by C. Ginsburg; pp. 347-363 & Chapter 3. Massorah Gedolah, Vol. 1 G.E. Weil, 1971. The Massorah, C. Ginsburg paragraphs 107-115.)

For those not familiar with the HRV Scriptures, this new Messianic Scriptures Version will have:

1) A "New Testament" portion translated from Hebrew and Aramaic rather than Greek sources.

2) A restoration of the original manuscript order of the books not just for the Tanak but for the "New Testament" portion as well. (The NT has the Four Gospels; Acts; Jewish Epistles; Pauline Epistles; Revelation).

3) Sacred Names and Titles preserved in Hebrew rather than translated into English names and titles. There are footnotes indicating the 134 places where the Massorah indicates that the scribes had altered YHWH to ADONAI in the Hebrew of the Masoretic Text. Also the Sacred Name appears as YHWH and in the NT portion this is based on actual manuscript evidence (The Hebrew and Aramaic NT sources distinguish between YHWH and ADONAI).

4) A Messianic edition using Messianic terminology.

5) Is the first Messianic/Sacred Name "STUDY BIBLE" with over 20 pages of charts diagrams and color maps, over 50 pages of introductory information and over 2,000 footnotes.

The HRV Website at http://www.hebraicrootsversion.com will be updated with additional material in the next few days.

We are raising the funds needed to pay the very large printing costs for the Hebraic Roots Version of the Scriptures Messianic Study Bible. This is a very important work. If you have ever benefited from the work of SANJ and/or myself I am asking you to strongly consider making a donation to help us meet this obligation.

If you can make a freewill donation in any amount to support this work now is the time to do it. Many of you have told us how blessed you have been by our work. Now is the time to return that blessing if you can. I am convinced that this project is worthy of your support if you have the support to give.

Anyone (in the US) who makes a donation of $56.00 or more will receive (upon publication) a copy of the Hebraic Roots Version of the Scriptures. (if outside the US see info below).

Anyone (in the US) who makes a donation of $100.00 or more will receive (upon publication) the HRV Scriptures AND the HRV Scriptures CD-ROM containing the HRV and all of the Hebrew and Aramaic source texts for the HRV in searchable form!
(if outside the US contact us about shipping costs).

Many of you have asked if you can still obtain the CD even if you have already ordered the HRV. The answer is yes. If you already have an order in for the HRV Bible and would like the DVD just make an additional donation of $50 or more to have the HRV CD added to your HRV order.

Also for those who only want the CD you can do that also for a donation of $50.00 or more.

We are willing to offer a “sweetheart deal” to anyone willing and able to make a minimum donation of $1,000 and who are interested in bulk quantities of the HRV.

Also anyone willing or able to make an even larger contribution please contact us and we will work out an even better "sweetheart deal" custom made for you.

If you have not already requested a copy of the HRV Complete Bible (for a minimum donation of $56 including shipping)
you may want to get your request in now as THIS PRE-PUBLICATION OFFER WILL BE ENDING SOON and the minimum donation will then go up to $75 including shipping. (Pre-publication requests will be shipped upon publication.).

You can obtain your copy minimum donation of $50.00 plus $6.00 Shipping & handling (in the USA); $10.00 in Canada and Mexico and $15.00 overseas. (Items are sent out as appreciation gifts for your donations)

SANJ can now take credit cards through phone in orders: 817-284-7039 or you can mail it in as well:
(you can also order over the internet using Pay Pal, see info further down in this email)

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As you all know I have long said that the “New Testament” was not written in Greek or any other European language but was instead written in Hebrew and Aramaic. I have also said that there are many passages which do not make sense in Greek or in the translations derived from Greek, but only make sense when we look at them in the original Hebrew and Aramaic. There are a number of examples I have given over the past few years but I want to make it clear that there are MANY MORE examples I can cite. The Hebraic Roots Version is the first translation in many cases to correctly translate these passages by translating directly from the original Hebrew and Aramaic.

The following are just a few more examples from various portions of the “New Testament” which do not make sense in the Greek or in the Greek based translation but which do make sense in the Hebraic Roots Version:

CAST OUT YOUR NAME AS EVIL ?????

In Luke 6:22 the KJV reads “Blessed are ye when men… cast out your name as evil…” following the Greek.

The Aramaic of the HRV has “Happy are you when men… cast out your evil name…” following the Aramaic of the Old Syriac.

In the Aramaic this is a usage of a Semitic idiom (also found in the Torah) whereby a person having been slandered is said to have an “evil name”. For example the Torah says:

If any man take a wife, and go unto her, and hate her,
And give occasions of speech against her,
and bring up an evil name upon her,….

…because he has brought an evil name
upon a virgin of Israel…
(Deut. 22:13-14, 19)

Now in Hebrew and Aramaic a modifier follows the word it modifies. As a result the literal sentence structure of Luke 6:22 in the Aramaic has “name evil” but in English we say “evil name”. The Greek translator was apparently unaware of the Semitic idiom “evil name” and finding the term “evil name” odd, left the words in their Aramaic order and added the word “as” in between to make the phrase say in Greek “name as evil” rather than “evil name”. Luke 6:22 is actually saying in the Aramaic that believers would be persecuted by being slandered just as the virgin of Israel in Deut. 22:13-14, 19 was slandered, while the Greek simply implies that the believers very names would be hated and counted as evil things.

TOMBS IN THE CITY ?????

In Luke 8:27 the KJV (following the Greek) says that Yeshua met a man “out of the city” and who dwelt “in the tombs”.

Now anyone who knows much about the Torah knows that TOMBS were never located in a CITY because the dead are considered unclean. However the Aramaic uses a word here which can mean “city” or can mean “province” thus the HRV translates properly here that the man was “from the province” not “the city” while the Greek has misunderstood this ambiguous Aramaic word.

GREET NO MAN ON THE WAY ????

In Luke 10:4 in most translations (following the Greek) Yeshua sends his talmidim (disciples) out to travel around teaching and in doing so instructs them to “greet no man on the way” (as for example in the ISR version). Now this makes little sense. Why would Yeshua instruct his talmidim not to greet people? Can you just see them pass by someone on the road, the person says “shalom” in a friendly voice and the talmid just looks at him a minute, says nothing and keeps going. Surely the traveler thinks “what’s up with this rood jerk?”. In a quest to make some sense of this Greek phrase David Stern’s Jewish New Testament has “…don’t stop to shmooze with people on the road.” This is very much a paraphrase at best. First of all “shmooze” is Yiddish and has no relevance to the first century. The word “shmooze” means “engage in gossipy chit-chat” (as Stern defines it). There is no word in the Greek of Luke 10:4 that means “engage in gossipy chit-chat” or even “stop”. The Greek word in Luke 10:4 means “salute, greet”. However the Greek translator appears to have misunderstood the Aramaic original. The Aramaic has an ambiguous Aramaic word here which can mean “greet” but can also mean to “join or unify with”. Yeshua was not telling his talmidim not to greet people during their travels, nor was he instructing them not to stop to engage in friendly gossipy chit-chat” (though that might have been a good instruction). He was telling them not to be join or unify with other travelers along the way. Thus the HRV has here “and join no man on the way”.

GOD GAVE THEM OVER TO A REPROBATE MIND ????

In Romans 1:28 the KJV follows the Greek in having Paul say of Homosexuals that “God gave them over to a reprobate mind”. Now the Aramaic that appears here is a word that can mean to “deliver”/”give over” or to “release”. The Greek translator misunderstood this passage to mean that Elohim “gave them over to a reprobate mind” however the HRV correctly translates the Aramaic to read “Eloah released them to a mind of vanity”. Certainly Elohim does not deliver persons to a reprobate mind, but he may release them to their own freewill to their own mind of vanity.

I WILL CAST [JEZEBEL] INTO HER BED ??????

In Revelation 2:22 the KJV follows the Greek in telling us that Yeshua will cast Jezebel into her bed with her adulterers!!!! Certainly Jezebel would not mind being cast into a bed with her adulterers nor would Messiah be likely to do so. The Aramaic word here is ambiguous and can mean “bed” but can also mean “funeral pier” or “coffin”. The Greek translator misunderstood this Aramaic word and mistranslated it to mean “bed” and thus we read in most translations that Messiah cast Jezebel and her adulterers in bed together. The HRV reads correctly “Behold I will cast her into the coffin”.

Unlike most translations this edition is not rooted in a Greek Hellenistic text. Instead this translation seeks to understand the text of the New Testament from the languages in which it was originally written: Hebrew and Aramaic. This is important because there are some passages in the NT which do not make sense at all in Greek, but only begin to make sense when we look at them in Hebrew and Aramaic.
(Several more examples may be seen at: http://www.hebraicrootsversion.com/hrvnt.html )

For more information on the HRV NT see the HRV Website at: http://www.hebraicrootsversion.com

We are raising the funds needed to pay the very large printing costs for the Hebraic Roots Version of the Scriptures Messianic Study Bible. This is a very important work. If you have ever benefited from the work of SANJ and/or myself I am asking you to strongly consider making a donation to help us meet this obligation.

If you can make a freewill donation in any amount to support this work now is the time to do it. Many of you have told us how blessed you have been by our work. Now is the time to return that blessing if you can. I am convinced that this project is worthy of your support if you have the support to give.

Anyone (in the US) who makes a donation of $56.00 or more will receive (upon publication) a copy of the Hebraic Roots Version of the Scriptures. (if outside the US see info below).

Anyone (in the US) who makes a donation of $100.00 or more will receive (upon publication) the HRV Scriptures AND the HRV Scriptures CD-ROM containing the HRV and all of the Hebrew and Aramaic source texts for the HRV in searchable form!
(if outside the US contact us about shipping costs).

Many of you have asked if you can still obtain the CD even if you have already ordered the HRV. The answer is yes. If you already have an order in for the HRV Bible and would like the DVD just make an additional donation of $50 or more to have the HRV CD added to your HRV order.

Also for those who only want the CD you can do that also for a donation of $50.00 or more.

We are willing to offer a “sweetheart deal” to anyone willing and able to make a minimum donation of $1,000 and who are interested in bulk quantities of the HRV. This offer is so good that it will only be extended to the first five persons who contact us.

Also anyone willing or able to make an even larger contribution please contact us and we will work out an even better "sweetheart deal" custom made for you.

If you have not already requested a copy of the HRV Complete Bible (for a minimum donation of $56 including shipping)
you may want to get your request in now as THIS PRE-PUBLICATION OFFER WILL BE ENDING SOON and the minimum donation will then go up to $75 including shipping. (Pre-publication requests will be shipped upon publication.).

You can obtain your copy minimum donation of $50.00 plus $6.00 Shipping & handling (in the USA); $10.00 in Canada and Mexico and $15.00 overseas. (Items are sent out as appreciation gifts for your donations)

SANJ can now take credit cards through phone in orders: 817-284-7039 or you can mail it in as well:
(you can also order over the internet using Pay Pal, see info further down in this email)

SANJ
PO Box 471
Hurst, Texas 76053

Send the following information:

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Or you can still send in a check or money order to the above address. Please note that all checks have a two-week holding period.
(International checks three weeks).

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James Trimm

On Friday (Jan. 2nd) I had a meeting with the printer and so I thought I would sit down and give you all an update on the progress on the publication of the HRV.

First of all let me back up to tell you about another recent meeting a few days ago (I do not recall the date) which I did not have time to relate to you all earlier.

This was a meeting related to the binding and paper to be used.

Ken (the owner of the printing company) showed us samples of two different kinds of paper we could use and two sample books.

Ken showed us a cheaper type of paper and a more expensive type of paper. Ken warned us that the cheaper paper would yellow with time and that the cheaper paper was less durable. I held each type of paper up to the light and could see that unlike the cheaper paper the higher quality paper was clearly reinforced by a tiny-criss cross pattern in the fibers from which it was made. We want the HRV to be a high quality product so we chose the higher quality of paper.

Ken also showed us a sample 8 1/2 x 11 book he had produced using this paper and the same stitched binding we will use (however the sample was a hard-bound volume not bonded-leather as the HRV is to be). (The sample had only blank pages). Ken challenged us to lift this book up by one page in the middle with the book opened up like wings. The page was so secure and strong that it supported the weight of the rest of the book without coming out of the binding or tearing.

At the meeting this Friday we signed off officially on the paper and they have now ordered enough paper for the job. This is a LOT of paper since we are printing 10,000 copies in the first run and each copy has almost 1,700 8 1/2 x 11 pages (the equivalent altogether of eight and a half million 8 1/2 x 11 sheets if I have my math correct).

This is enough sheets, if placed end to end, to cover the distance from earth to the space shuttle's orbit and back four times and still have paper left over! Or enough sheets placed end to end to reach from Dallas to Denver and back!

Ken tells us it may take as long as three weeks (hopefully less) to get this huge paper shipment and then the presses will begin to roll on the HRV Bibles.

For more information on the HRV see the HRV website at: http://www.hebraicrootsversion.com

We are raising the funds needed to pay the very large printing costs for the Hebraic Roots Version of the Scriptures Messianic Study Bible. This is a very important work. If you have ever benefited from the work of SANJ and/or myself I am asking you to strongly consider making a donation to help us meet this obligation.

If you can make a freewill donation in any amount to support this work now is the time to do it. Many of you have told us how blessed you have been by our work. Now is the time to return that blessing if you can. I am convinced that this project is worthy of your support if you have the support to give.

Anyone (in the US) who makes a donation of $56.00 or more will receive (upon publication) a copy of the Hebraic Roots Version of the Scriptures. (if outside the US see info below).

Anyone (in the US) who makes a donation of $100.00 or more will receive (upon publication) the HRV Scriptures AND the HRV Scriptures CD-ROM containing the HRV and all of the Hebrew and Aramaic source texts for the HRV in searchable form!
(if outside the US contact us about shipping costs).

Many of you have asked if you can still obtain the CD even if you have already ordered the HRV. The answer is yes. If you already have an order in for the HRV Bible and would like the DVD just make an additional donation of $50 or more to have the HRV CD added to your HRV order.

Also for those who only want the CD you can do that also for a donation of $50.00 or more.

We are willing to offer a “sweetheart deal” to anyone willing and able to make a minimum donation of $1,000 and who are interested in bulk quantities of the HRV. This offer is so good that it will only be extended to the first five persons who contact us.

Also anyone willing or able to make an even larger contribution please contact us and we will work out an even better "sweetheart deal" custom made for you.

If you have not already requested a copy of the HRV Complete Bible (for a minimum donation of $56 including shipping)
you may want to get your request in now as THIS PRE-PUBLICATION OFFER WILL BE ENDING SOON and the minimum donation will then go up to $75 including shipping. (Pre-publication requests will be shipped upon publication.).

You can obtain your copy minimum donation of $50.00 plus $6.00 Shipping & handling (in the USA); $10.00 in Canada and Mexico and $15.00 overseas. (Items are sent out as appreciation gifts for your donations)

SANJ can now take credit cards through phone in orders: 817-284-7039 or you can mail it in as well:
(you can also order over the internet using Pay Pal, see info further down in this email)

SANJ
PO Box 471
Hurst, Texas 76053

Send the following information:

Name on card:
Card Type:
Card Number:
Expiration Date:
Phone Number:
Billing Address:
Shipping Address if different from Billing:
Email Address:
The quantity of the items you want.

Be sure to note what item(s) you are requesting.

Or you can still send in a check or money order to the above address. Please note that all checks have a two-week holding period.
(International checks three weeks).

We also still accept Paypal orders as well. http://www.paypal.com sent to donations@nazarene.net

PLEASE view our shipping and payment policies:

http://www.nazarene.net/shipping_and_payment_information.htm

IF you send along your email address we can send you a shipping confirmation.

If you have any questions concerning donations or item requests please contact the following:

donations@nazarene.net

For questions about the books, other then donation amount, please contact the following:

sanj@nazarene.net

James Trimm

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Originally posted by James Trimm:

Regarding the Slander being presented my response is at:

http://www.trimmfamily.com/Slander.htm

James Trimm

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Mr. Trimm,

My post is not about "slander".....this is about the publication, marketing, and business practices concerning your "HRV" scriptures. Please do not confuse the matter here.

Since you are posting now would you take the time to address the following translation issue please....

On the subject of the issues with the name of YHWH and the associated mistranslations issues there is a position you are expousing that has foundational translation errors and I would ask that you address this as you are promoting your translation of the word of YHWH........You are promoting a position stating that the Masoretic text translators were using the vowel pointing from the word ELOAH instead of ADONAI when (mis)translating the name of YHWH. I am assuming that you are referring to Strong's Hebrew Word #433 (for ELOAH)

The first vowel point in ELOAH is a compound shewa [e.g. Hateph Seghol]
while the first vowel point in Yehovah is a simple shewa.

Your statement may sound correct in English vowel pointing; that the vowels E-O-A come from ELOAH, but in Hebrew the "E" in "ELOAH" is not the same as the "E" in "Yehovah"

We do not REQUIRE anyone to make a donation. Those that donate do so of their own free will. It is a free country and they are free to donate if they choose. And we will send those who donate the minimum level the HRV upon publication as an apreciation gift to them for their contribution.

James Trimm