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bobby8246

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posted 11-30-2003 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bobby8246     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
STRONG'S CONCORDANCE
Hebrew, heaven defined:
visible sky,universe,atmosphere, etc.
as the abode of God-abode-a dwelling place
Greek, heaven defined:
vaulted expanse of the sky,universe,world
the region above the sidereal heavens, the seat of order of things eternal and consummately perfect where God dwells and other heavenly beings
"KINGDOM OF GOD" FOUND 91 TIMES IN SCRIPTURE
"KINGDOM OF HEAVEN" FOUND 40 TIMES IN SCRIPTURE
Mt.3:16
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him.
Jn.3:3
In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
Lk.18:17
I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the Kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.
Jn.1:51
He then added, "I tell you the truth, you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man."

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Hadishon

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posted 11-30-2003 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hadishon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bobby8246, I read many lies and deciets in your post. I would encourage you to seek the truth out. I think these following verses may help you to understand more of the lies that have been passed down and the truth in Yahweh. Also, I would encourage a review of this study down by YNCA:

http://www.ynca.com/Mini%20Studies/understanding_hellfire.htm

Jer. 16:19 - O Yahweh, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Psalms 101:3 - I will set no wicked thing before mine
eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not
cleave to me.

(This would include any and all pagan names!)

Jeremiah 14:14 - Then YAHWEH said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Matthew 7:15 - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 7:16 - Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Matthew 7:17 - Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Matthew 24:11 - And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

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Acts 4:12 - Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Psalms 9:10 - And they that know thy name will put their trust in thee: for thou, YAHWEH, hast not forsaken them that seek thee.

Jeremiah 16:21 - Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is YAHWEH.

Ezekiel 36:23 - And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am YAHWEH, saith the Master YAHWEH, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

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Matthew 7:13 - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Matthew 7:14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Matthew 20:16 - So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Matthew 22:14 - For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew 13:24 - Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Matthew 13:25 - But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Matthew 13:26 - But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.


Matthew 13:27 - So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
Matthew 13:28 - He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
Matthew 13:29 - But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

Matthew 13:30 - Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
Matthew 13:31 - Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
Matthew 13:32 - Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

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You mentioned this verse:
John 1:51 - And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of YAHWEH ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

This is a very interesting verse! The "Son of man" in hebrew is the same word that is used for "Jacob's ladder". Many believe that this is actually the Strong Arm of Yahushua and there is great proof that it is. This specific hebrew word only occurs 2 times in scripture. It is very interesting. Also the word "heaven" in this verse is obviously meaning the "sky."

I apologize for the long post but I tried to cover as many as the lies as possible. If more scriptual evidence is needed, please let me know.

In Yahweh's Love in Mercy,
Michael

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I am not a prophet nor am I teaching. I am seeking and learning the greatness and truth of Yahweh and Yahushua. Do not take anything I say as to be truth unless you also find it to be true. If you find error, please let me know. In Yahweh and Yahushua.

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Hadishon

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posted 11-30-2003 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hadishon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought I would also add that you can use the search feature to read previous threads on "heaven." Some of the results have more truth and go deeper into the subject then others. Some are even funny :-)

Michael

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KYMAK

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posted 12-03-2003 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KYMAK     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bobby8246:
STRONG'S CONCORDANCE
Hebrew, heaven defined:
visible sky,universe,atmosphere, etc.
as the abode of God-abode-a dwelling place
Greek, heaven defined:
vaulted expanse of the sky,universe,world
the region above the sidereal heavens, the seat of order of things eternal and consummately perfect where God dwells and other heavenly beings
"KINGDOM OF GOD" FOUND 91 TIMES IN SCRIPTURE
"KINGDOM OF HEAVEN" FOUND 40 TIMES IN SCRIPTURE
Mt.3:16
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him.
Jn.3:3
In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.
Lk.18:17
I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the Kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.
Jn.1:51
He then added, "I tell you the truth, you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man."


The Bible definition of "Heaven" is in Genesis 1:8

6 And Elohim said, “Let an expanse come to be in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” 7And Elohim made the expanse, and separated the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse. And it came to be so. 8And Elohim called the expanse ‘heav- ens.’ And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the second day.

The expanse or "firmament" was a solid canopy that enclosed the entire earth. From the height of the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21 10:16) it was 1500 miles high; so at about 200 mile between levels it would have seven levels.

The only record we have of this is in Aristotle’s treatise, “On the Heavens”: but I suppose he got it from long lost historical records. The Church held to this until Copernicus and Galileo proved it was no longer there. It was removed about the time of the flood of Noah. The first time the sun is mentioned in the Bible is after the flood. The great light of Genesis One was not the Sun as we know it.

In the name of Yahoshua-ha-Mashiac, amen.

An Ambassador of Yahweh

[This message has been edited by KYMAK (edited 12-03-2003).]

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Shlomoh

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posted 12-03-2003 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shlomoh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hadishon:
bobby8246, I read many lies and deciets in your post.

Hadishon,

All I saw in Bobby's post was definitions and Scripture quotes, hardly what I would call "lies and deceits." I think we should reserve judgment until he returns and finishes his post. After all, we still don't know what his point was!

Shlomoh

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Hadishon

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posted 12-03-2003 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hadishon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shlomoh, This discussion was started in a differant thread, I don't know why bobby felt like he had to mention it in another thread.

And there were many lies and deceits in his post. I answered many of them in my first reply. Removing Yahweh's name is both a lie and a deceit. Also, the thought line of "who goes to heaven" comes from lies and is deceitful.

Michael

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I am not a prophet nor am I teaching. I am seeking and learning the greatness and truth of Yahweh and Yahushua. Do not take anything I say as to be truth unless you also find it to be true. If you find error, please let me know. In Yahweh and Yahushua.

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Shlomoh

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posted 12-04-2003 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shlomoh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hadishon:
Shlomoh, This discussion was started in a differant thread, I don't know why bobby felt like he had to mention it in another thread.

Roger that!

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Stephen

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posted 12-04-2003 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stephen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KYMAK:
The Bible definition of "Heaven" is in Genesis 1:8

6 And Elohim said, “Let an expanse come to be in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” 7And Elohim made the expanse, and separated the waters which were under the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse. And it came to be so. 8And Elohim called the expanse ‘heav- ens.’ And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, the second day.

The expanse or "firmament" was a solid canopy that enclosed the entire earth. From the height of the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21 10:16) it was 1500 miles high; so at about 200 mile between levels it would have seven levels.

The only record we have of this is in Aristotle’s treatise, “On the Heavens”: but I suppose he got it from long lost historical records. The Church held to this until Copernicus and Galileo proved it was no longer there. It was removed about the time of the flood of Noah. The first time the sun is mentioned in the Bible is after the flood. The great light of Genesis One was not the Sun as we know it.

In the name of Yahoshua-ha-Mashiac, amen.

An Ambassador of Yahweh

[This message has been edited by KYMAK (edited 12-03-2003).]


Kymak,

I have to say, that you sure come up with some off the wall stuff. The expanse that Yahweh made on day two is the sky, not some solid canopy. And the light that He caused to shine forth on day 1 is the light from the sun which was created in the beginning with the other stars, the moon, and the earth. Only the sun's light was visible until day 4 when the sun itself was finally visable due to the clearing of the sky.

If the great light of Genisis one was not the sun, then I suppose the lesser light was not the moon. Yahweh told us that those two lights were for signs seasons, days, and years. If those two lights which tell us those things were not the sun and moon, then how do we determine signs, seasons, days, and years today? The answer is, that those are the same lights, and they still work the same way. We might not interperate them the way we are supposed to, but they are still doing their job just the same.

Stephen

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KYMAK

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posted 12-05-2003 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KYMAK     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Stephen:
...off the wall stuff.
Stephen

What you are not up on you libel to be down on.

Your thinking is from the dark ages. This is the space age; you need to adjust your thinking or find someone you trust to explain it to you.

To judge a matter in ignorance is a shame.

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Stephen

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posted 12-05-2003 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stephen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, sorry,

Since this is the space age, I should have said that you were really "out there".

Maybe you could explain this solid canopy theory a little for me and tell me what happened to the original light that ruled the day.


Stephen

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Amie Li

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posted 12-05-2003 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amie Li     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
KyMak said ---
[The great light of Genesis One was not the Sun as we know it.]

Did Yahweh call the light Day,? (daylight) and the darkness he called Night.
Did the light shine through the darkness?

If it wasn't the sun and it's sun light, then what is it?

Sister Amie


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wannabe

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posted 12-05-2003 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wannabe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My understanding of "heaven" is an abyss where the "Greek spirits" dwell.

I understand the overall "expanse" and understand there is a 1st 2nd and 3rd loft.

Amie, Light doesn't dwell with darkness, it has been separated/divided
There is still a lot of confusion about a "day" beginning at "night"

Let the Almighty allow you to "see" with simple common sense.

The original Hebrew for day and night, I am unsure of.
I know day came from "dayius", I can't remember what this means though.

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leejosepho

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posted 12-05-2003 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leejosepho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KYMAK:
Your thinking is from the dark ages ...
To judge a matter in ignorance is a shame.

Be not disheartened, Stephen, for this same one has essentially said I have a reprobate mind!

Shalom.

Joe

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Stephen

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posted 12-05-2003 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stephen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not upset. I started it, but I am not judging Kymak personally, I just keep reading things that he has said on different threads that makes me wonder where he is comming from. I have also read things that he has written that I have agreed with. Not that I am anything special, but sometimes I read things that people post that make me take a double take and go "say what?". He has made me do that on several occasions.

Anyway, I know that I have said some things that many people don't agree with, like the day begins at sunrise, so I try not to be too judgemental when I read what others have to say about things and I try not to get offended by what they say to me.


Stephen

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bobby8246

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posted 12-05-2003 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bobby8246     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Amie Li:
KyMak said ---
[b][The great light of Genesis One was not the Sun as we know it.]

Did Yahweh call the light Day,? (daylight) and the darkness he called Night.
Did the light shine through the darkness?

If it wasn't the sun and it's sun light, then what is it?

Sister Amie

[/B]


There is not enough darkness in all the world to put out the light of one small candle.
Arthur Gordon

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