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Amie Li

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posted 12-05-2003 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amie Li     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peace Wannabe,

You said --
Amie, Light doesn't dwell with darkness, it has been separated/divided
There is still a lot of confusion about a "day" beginning at "night"
Let the Almighty allow you to "see" with simple common sense.

What confusion? Do the spirits and children of Yahweh need sunlight to see and live?

Did Yahweh form the light, and also create darkness, and the first day and night?

There are various kinds of light, such as sunlight, lightbulb, candle light, fireflys, reflection "Moon light", even Satan fashioneth himself into an angel/spirit of light to guide others into his own darkness.

In the case above, KyMak said --- [The great light of Genesis One was not the Sun as we know it.]

I replied to Kymak:
Did Yahweh call the light Day,? (daylight) and the darkness he called Night?
Did the light shine through the darkness?
If it wasn't the sun and it's sun light, then what is it?

The word [through meaning "penetrate"]

Gen 1:14 And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the firmament of heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years: 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And Elohim made the two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And Elohim set them in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth.,

Isaiah 9:2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwelt in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty EL, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of Yahweh cometh, cruel, with wrath and fierce anger; to make the land a desolation, and to destroy the sinners thereof out of it. 10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light; the sun shall be darkened in its going forth, and the moon shall not cause its light to shine.

Mat 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness?

John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

I hope KyMak can respond to my questions, and try to explain his teaching above.

Blessings in Master Yahshua,

Sister Amie

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posted 12-06-2003 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Melekim     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With all due respect to all of you who visit this website:

1) The majority of, if not all, of the current "believers " of "This Way" claim never to be "teaching" or "prophesying" and "truth" be told most are actually doing it.

2) How many of you have done works like Dr. Roland De Vaux for example. This man is a "scholar and an academic" concerning the history of Israel and its language changes. This book will actually make your mind numb from such a break down of language, specifically the ancient semitic languages that became today's hebrew, and its composure within their own historical context. If at all productive, this book will allow your mind to humble itself before you argue about word origin or language at all. Read "The History of Israel" by De Vaux.

3) How many actually know where the epistles of the ancients have gone and what has actually happened to the languages that they have traversed?

4) How many actually know the origin of the many gods and goddesses of ancient times are so tirelessly argued about at this forum? Who came first the el of the Cannanites or the generetic semitic term "el", etc.?

So many times we "believers" pick up a concordance or two, skim through an encyclopedia, read a slight difference between the eastern text of the Peshitta and its almost evil "protestanized" twin the queen james version and all of a sudden we get "revelations" of "truth" only to learn later that the variation we found is either our own construct, a.k.a mistake, or a more complex set of ideas that requires higher education or at least more time to organize, receive, digest and deliver "an exhortation" to a "brother".

Truly think deeply within yourselves and be conscious of this idea, my opinion of this "The Way" movement over a 5 year period of this regurgitated bearded, tasseled, exiled xtian converts with "minor" degrees in foreign languages, hebrew e.g., and see what your spirit really knows about what you are talking about before you spiritually dj your "neighbor". And maybe when we all realize this then maybe we will receive the true revelations.

Think for a second. Did any of the prophets say "I think", "maybe", "seems this way but I am not sure of what HE said", "I am not sure but try it this way", etc.? They were certain, ALWAYS! Has any one of you receive the spirit like those of Acts 2 did? What is like to have the spirit for certain? Is it the spirit or your own thoughts-how can we be certain ALWAYS?

I am just saying think please before you assume and hurt your neighbor with your own weaknesses.


"I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you." Yochanan 14:18

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posted 12-08-2003 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KYMAK     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by Stephen:

Maybe you could explain this solid canopy theory …

It isn’t a theory it is a fact; that is what the Bible says.

See: Isaiah 40:21-23 (NIV); Job 37:18 (KJV, NIV, NASB) “like a mirror”; 22:14 (“vault”); Strong’s #7549, cp. #7554 “spread out”. Some early commentators thought it was ice, but it was not until the 20th century that it could be understood in terms of a space platform enclosing the earth.

Heaven still exists in the original form; it was removed by Yahweh from the earth because of wickedness but will return in the "times of the restitution of all things" (Acts 3:21). That is the mission of Elias in the New Testament. According to D & C 77 that is the mission of John the Apostle as successor to John the Baptist.

During the 20th Century and to date by Yahweh’s grace we have developed the technology to build such a platform; however, our leaders have decided instead to go to the Moon and beyond. I think Yahweh is not too pleased by that. I think he intended that we stay here on Earth and make the most of it before we go gallivanting off in to outer space.

In Yahshua,
An Ambassador of Yahweh

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posted 12-08-2003 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ana_yncaphil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First heaven - heaven of heavens- The Throne of Yahweh where Yahshua seats at the right side of His Father.None of human beings have gone, not even satan.

Second heaven - the heavenly bodies, sun, stars, moon. Unfit for human habitation.

Third heaven - the heaven of clouds - atmosphere, where the whirlwind that caught EliYah and carried him to Israel.

That's it.

Why make complicated things that are simple to understand.

Thanks for sharing.


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posted 12-08-2003 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KYMAK     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
QUOTE]Originally posted by bobby8246:
There is not enough darkness in all the world to put out the light of one small candle.
Arthur Gordon

Someone said you had been discussing this topic elsewhere on the forum. What were you saying that was so upsetting to some?

Do not let that bother you. Remember Yahshua was also ridiculed, slandered and heckled and still is by some people. The enemy is called, Diabolos which means Slanderer and is translated, Devil.

I wish you well.

An Ambassador of Yahweh

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posted 12-08-2003 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KYMAK     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by leejosepho:
I have a reprobate mind!



You said it; don't accuse me.

It occurs to me that you are frightened and confused; your pride will not let you admit it when you are wrong.

I wish you well.

In Yahshua,

An Ambassador of Yahweh

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posted 12-08-2003 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for leejosepho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

You very well know I did not say I have a reprobate mind! I merely mentioned to Stephen that you had mentioned one in reference to me!

If I am either frightened or confused, then let the brethren here show me the truth of your accusation!

And as to alleged pride not allowing me to admit when I am wrong: Ditto!


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