Is these means, that someone should take something literal on his hand and head?
Do you have written scriptures in your walls?
What i understand, that those guys were no scriptures in home, like us today.

Deut.
6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
6:9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

And what about tzizit
on four-cornered garments Num. 15:38?

Why those tassels should be in four corners?

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Originally posted by Talmid777:
How you understand these verses?

Is these means, that someone should take something literal on his hand and head?
Do you have written scriptures in your walls?
What i understand, that those guys were no scriptures in home, like us today.

Deut.
6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
6:9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

And what about tzizit
on four-cornered garments Num. 15:38?

Why those tassels should be in four corners?

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There are several schools of though on the Devarim 6:8. Karaim and Samaritans believe to be more theological in the sense to remember the commands and to keep them close to ones hands and eyes i.e. to remeber and perform them, while Rabbinal Judaism interprets it to me to literally to wear tephillin. I personally, believe has left things like this up to the interpretation of the one whom decides to take upon himself/herself the Mitzwah.

On the issue of Devarim 6:9 where it states, "Uktavtam al mezuzoth beitekha uvishareikha" (And you write on the doorposts of your houses and your gates.). I feel this is the same. I personally have a brass Mezuzah on my main door post of my apartment. On my door into my room I have a Mezuzah in Shameri (Samaritan) Hebrew of Devarim 10:12-14. Every door except the bathroom of course. I follow it based on Shameri and Yehudi interpretation. This also is going to be based on the community you identify with, and your interpretation of the Mitzwoth.

On the issue of tzitzith there is no exact reason why the corners of the garment. (The Torah doesn't say four courners, it just says "lahem al-panphei vig'deihem..." the word "panphei" is the dual masculine construct of the shoresh (root) "kanaph." Kanaph is like a wing, corner, extremity, etc. As far as why the corners of the beged (garment) there is no explanation given except that when the tzitzith are seen the wearer would "zakhor" (remember) the Mitzwoth. Most like at the time the normal garments of people in the Middle East was a tunic like garment that had four corners.

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Eloah immakhem,

Shimson bar-Tzadoq

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Originally posted by drdebarr:
The mark is sunday worship.

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I do think that when Yahweh refers to a sign on your hand and between your eyes that he is refering to something that you do that teaches you someting. There is a good and a bad. The bad may be similar to the good which pertains to the true worship of Yahweh. So the bad could be a faulse worship and could have something to do with Sunday.

I have a few sincere questions?

#1. Can't we wear our tzitsit on the lugs of our pants where the belt goes through?

#2. Should or can non Jewish believers in Messiah wear a talit in a home shabbat service?

#3. Should sisters totally cover all their hair when in any service? While praying and singing and dancing?

#4. Should non Jewish believers in Messiah also wear the phalacteries in their morning and evening prayers?

#5. Is it allowed to play cards [not for money] or play board games for children during any part of the shabbat?

#6. If your assembly is not as far as to regularly use the Name of Yahweh and Yahushua [still using Jesus and Lord], but it is the only assembly in the neighbourhood or state you know of, but they have started to keep shabbat, and feasts, and all their songs are still the old church songs, is it still OK to be with them as an example?
sorry for the long question.

I would ofcourse like New covenant scriptural answers if any of the above is explained if possible.

Thanks you [any body] that will take the time to answer these questions for me, and I am sure many others who are lurking on this forum.

May Yahweh bless all the ones who worship Him out of a pure heart.

Yahalom

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Originally posted by Yahalomim:
#1. Can't we wear our tzitsit on the lugs of our pants where the belt goes through?

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BS"D

Greetings. How you wear tzitzith identify one with a particular community. For example Ashkenazi Jews wear tzitzith in a certain way and Mizrahhi/Sephardic Jews wear them slightly differently. Samaritans wear them only on Shabbath. Now as to wearing them in a belt loop, you would be fulfilling the portion of the Torah that says to wear them and see them (for the purpose of one not wanting to chase after his own heart). Yet, the Mitzwah says, "lahem al-panphei vig'deihem..." the word "panphei" is the dual masculine construct of the shoresh (root) "kanaph." Kanaph is like a wing, corner, extremity, etc. The belt lug for the most part would not be considered a "kanaph."

What you could do is wear a "Talit Qatan" or "Small Talit" that is worn under your shirt. The Talit Qatan is a four cornered garment which tzitzith can be placed on, and then the tzitzith can be pulled under the shirt to hang over the edge of your pants. If you go to any Judaica store they can tell you where you can get a talit qatan. You can also buy them on-line. Most Jews don't wear the tekhlet (blue) cord, because the animal from which the dye was traditional derived became near extinct and also the Romans when they destroyed the Second Temple prohibited the creation of the dye. Yet, recently the dye has become available again so some Jews are starting to have the tzitzith with tekhelet.

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#2. Should or can non Jewish believers in Messiah wear a talit in a home shabbat service?

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Anyone can wear a Tallit. There is no prohibition against it, and it is one way to fulfill the Mitzwah of the tzitzith since the Mar-Yeshu''a wore tzitzith. The talit is a later practice, but is based on a type of garment that some Jews used to wear with their tzitzith attached. The actual command of the Torah deals with the tzitzith, not with the type of garment they were to be placed on. Torah never gives a length of time the tzitzith were to be worn. Yet, most Jews wore tzitzith during the daytime in ancient times.

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#4. Should non Jewish believers in Messiah also wear the phalacteries in their morning and evening prayers?

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This again depends your own decision, because their are several schools of thought on the tefillin (phalactery). Some Jews believe the command, "Uqshartam leoth al yadekha wehayu letotofot bein `eineikha: (and bind them as sign on your hands and between your eyes) to be not be literal. Kariam and Samaritans consider this command to be to simply keep the thoughts of the commands near. The other interpretation is of course to actually bind a casing containing the commands to keep them near. This decision to do or not do is going to be based on your own understanding of it, if you do not have a community with which you identify. Tefillin are only good when a person wears them with the intention to remember the Mitzwah of Elohim. Yeshu''a taught that as long as this was the intention, to serve Elohim in spirit and truth then a person was on the right path.

In all of this the decision of how to perform them will be your own, based on prayer of course.

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Eloah immakhem,

The tefillin shel yad as it is used today is based upon ONE tradition on how to fulfill this Mitzwah. That doesn't mean it was th only way it was interpreted, some archeological remains seem to show that some Benei Yisrael performed it in different mannors. One proof of this is the type of tefillin shel yad found in Qumran were different than the type that certain Prushim used to wear. Also, the sections of the Torah in the tefillin were different.

The Mitzwoth, Hhuqim, and Mishpatim must always be looked at first in the context of the Hebrew first. There are nuances in the language that don't show up in the English translation that are keys to wether or not a thing must be done in a certain way or if the language allows for interpretation of how to perform it. An example is that when the Mezuzoth is spoken of it is said, "Ukhtavtam" or (and write them) as compared to the command concerning the hands and eyes it says, "Uqshartam" or (belting, girding, binding, etc.) Because of these differences they must be accepted as different in how they are performed. One of the things to consider is that the W'ahavta doesn't say that one should only have the Shema written or bound. It says, "W'hayu had'varim ha'eleh asher Anokhi metzawekha hayom al levavekha: Translated this says that all the commands given that day. So all the commands given that day, should be spoken, taught to sons/children, while walking on their way and dwelling, when one lays down and when one rises, bound on hands and between eyes, and written on the doorposts. Because the number of commands given that day were quite a bit the concept was accomplished by remembering the statement which served as a reminder of the rest.

Evidence seems to suggest that not all Benei Yisrael wore tzitzith 24 hours. The evidence (cultural) suggest that they were worn during the daylight hours, especially since back then there was not lights with which were readily available in the middle of the night. The cultural history also suggests that tzitzith were always were in the day. Also, archeology shows that tzitzith were at times given in oaths along with a lock of hair.

Based on the Hebrew texts, there is some interpretation that can be taken with these particular commands. Hope this helps.

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Eloah immakhem,

Shimson bar-Tzadoq

I think "along" the same lines Sabian does.
But not exactly. Because of;

"can't buy or sell without it".

One can buy and sell, with good/bad works/ thoughts.

"mark" has always been "ownership" or "possession". when one put their "mark" on a thing, it was their seal of agreement.
Or their "mark" on their cattle showed forth; "possession".

I agree "hand" is "work" / "deeds".
I lean toward "right hand" being
"Righteous work" but it is "work" for sure.

I believe "beast" is “carnal man”. >>

Ex 11:7
But against any of the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel.
Ex 12:12
For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.
Ex 13:2
Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.

David also says; “… I must have been as a beast before you”.

Just a “few” scripts, to show why I say “beast” is “man” or “carnal man” really.

Read Daniel the 4th. Chapter where Yah says to give Neb… the “heart of a beast” in his dream. Take much notice as to “why” people!

For neb. Thought all that he had was due to “him”, and did not understand that Yah’s “rule” was over the kingdoms of men.

Anyway… I tell u true the “mark” (ownership/possession) of the “beast” in mans right hand, is man thinking that he, by his own might/power etc. establishes a thing.

In his forehead, is thinking that it is by his authority that his righteous works or “splendor” comes forth.

I’m tellin ya… read daniel 4th. Chapt. (grin)

“can’t buy or sell”. Well, one must “own” (mark/possess) a thing, before they can buy or sell it. Understand? I think of churches, religion, mens traditions…
“you do this, and you will get this” kind of thing.

Notice the people “sealed” by the father, their “seal” is only in their forehead (mind)
And NOT in their “hand”.

I tell u true, it is because it is by Yahs “works” (hand) that we are made righteous and not our own.

This is “why” > “David” was PUT HERE to be our “witness” and our “leader”.

For David “asked” and trusted Yah to create in him an honest heart, and to enlarge his heart that he may follow after Yahs righteous law. “to GRANT him His law graciously… and David “continuously” says;

“then shall I declare THY WORKS ….” Etc.

for in truth each and every one of us must turn to our “maker” and ask Him to “work a work” in us, that we may be created a new. Man is not the creator!
Only Yah creates the heart of a man, and the spirit of a man. For it is written so!

That was Nebs problem. READ DANIEL 4.

And remember “Cain”? He was a “tiller of the ground”. We are made of the earth.
When we think we “bring forth the increase” (righteousness works) are we not the “tiller of the ground”. Cain means; “possession”.

Cain offered up the “works of his own hands” while Abel offered up the works of Yahs hands. Whose was accepted? Who was “marked”?

Okay… the above was honestly “revealed”. But below, are just my thoughts.

“666” = number of a man. Well, in the “sixth” day, YAH MADE MAN.
(man did not make man/himself) I know 100 years in prophetic time is 1 day.
So “600” would be like “sixth” day. Havn’t figured out “60” yet. Or the “tens”…
Just a thought. Don’t even know if I’m close on that one, like I said, just a thought.

BUT… (grin)

I tell u true, all dominion and power belongs unto Yah.

And when man is of the mind that it is HE that brings forth righteous deeds (the increase), by “his own strength”, might, self-discipline, power, authority etc. He does steal from Yah and becomes His enemy, saying that “he” rules, not Yah.

i'm not even sure Talmid was even going in this direction, so I apologize for any frustration Talmid.