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katy Posts: 248 |
posted 01-28-2003 06:43 AM
  
It's Passover time again and we are studying the moon. Could I get information both ways on which way is correct. KAty |
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Stephen Posts: 1287 |
posted 01-28-2003 06:58 AM
I believe that the conjunction is the scriptural new moon. Read the post that I just bumped forward titled the new moon and Enoch and see what you think.
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david_ben_yacob Posts: 1131 |
posted 01-28-2003 07:44 AM
The conjunction arguement doesn't hold much water in my opinion because it remains dark for 2 and 3 days at a time, so it is not observable, plus all the evidence tells us that in the time of Yahushua being among us, Israel was observing the crescent moon, and not a peep out of our Messiah that this was not correct. I know conjunction people that observe two different days because they do the figuring different. I am a Jerusalem sighter myself but many times the local observers will be one day different from those that go by a Jerusalem sighting too. This year it should all be on the same day though. I think the traditional Jewish calandar and the new moon crescent local and Jerusalem sighted will all line up this year. |
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Stephen Posts: 1287 |
posted 01-28-2003 09:48 AM
I personally believe that Yahweh's calender is precise and not subjective based on cloud cover and atmospheric conditions. I believe that you can predict the new moon based on 1 Enoch. Please read the post on Enoch and then tell me why conjunction doesn't hold water. Stephen |
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jlmizejr76 Posts: 207 |
posted 01-28-2003 12:19 PM
If the first sliver of the moon, which is the cresent determines the beginning of a new month. What determines the half of that month? When the moon is full it is in perfect alignment with the sun and earth. Sun, Earth, then moon. (Moon light being the reflection of the sun light.) During the time of conjuction it happens the same way, but this time, Sun, moon, then Earth. (Cant see the moon because the brightness of the sun.)And this takes place at the same time all over the earth. Sun determines our day, and moon determines our month. We do not have to see something for it to happen. Just because we cant see the moon doesnt mean its not there. In hebrew you can find the meaning of a new moon. Its covered up or concealed. We need not rely on visible things always, but we do have to be careful and study to show ourselves approved. I too believe that Yahweh's calender is precise, and observing the time of conjunction is as precise as you can get it. Johnnie |
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jlmizejr76 Posts: 207 |
posted 01-28-2003 12:22 PM
Stephen, I will try to refrain from talking about a day. LOL!!! |
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Shlomoh Posts: 1321 |
posted 01-28-2003 04:13 PM
All, An article on the new moon from people who read, write, and think in Hebrew: www.karaite-korner.org/new_moon.shtml In His Service, Shlomoh |
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HisWay Posts: 17 |
posted 01-28-2003 04:42 PM
quote: Stephen, shalom Q. blessings - Wayne ------------------ |
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BJ Posts: 29 |
posted 01-28-2003 07:34 PM
I Read your link shlomoh. i think it has merit. it is true that the ancients would have not known the precise conjuction time. if they counted there days beginning on this first sliver of this moon. 7 days from that would have been the sabbath right? if this is the case than the sabbath of our gregorian calender would be a different day each month for sabbath. The moon floats through our calender. This is a fact |
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JayAr Posts: 290 |
posted 01-28-2003 07:48 PM
BJ my brother the 7th day sabbath doest start it's count beginning with the first day of the month. If you do so you would end up having one (1) or two (2) extra days each month. What are we going to do with those extra days? Remember one month is not exactly 28 days long. JayAr |
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jlmizejr76 Posts: 207 |
posted 01-28-2003 07:54 PM
Hisway, Some start their day in the morning and some in the evening. If you start your day in the evening then it would be the night of Jan 31 to the night of Feb 1. If you start your day in the morning then Feb 1 would be your first day. I keep my day in the evening and if a conjunction falls within the 24hr period then that is your day. In this case the new moon does occur on Feb 1 at 10:48am, I would not wait until the next day. |
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BJ Posts: 29 |
posted 01-28-2003 08:13 PM
Jayar, brother ya lost me? why would that matter? yahweh doesnt go off of our calender. He has his own. His sabboth has been ongoing since the 7th day of creation. Its been counting ever since and was givin directly too the children in EXodus 16. he would not have givin the children a different day. [This message has been edited by BJ (edited 01-28-2003).] |
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BJ Posts: 29 |
posted 01-28-2003 08:14 PM
stephen you do have a point there, if there had been cloud cover there must be another way to tell the new moon. yahweh would not leave it open to error. |
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BJ Posts: 29 |
posted 01-28-2003 08:17 PM
yes this needs further study and i hope we can all come together to iron this out. Because there is some revelations comming out about the reliability of all todays calenders. |
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jlmizejr76 Posts: 207 |
posted 01-28-2003 08:28 PM
I think what Jayar is saying is that you cannot start your first day of the week at the first day of the month. And what he said makes much sense. What are you going to do with the extra days? It does matter. |
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