posted 08-03-2000 12:20 PM            

Can someone with knowledge of Hebrew give me insight to the actual Hebrew word that is used in Jer. 31:31. Strong's says that word used in this passage is Chadash (meaning new) and is from a primitive root of the word that means renewed.
I have been told that the actual word that is used is Chadashah or Khashashah, which means renewed. And that the actual ending in the the Hebrew text for this word is feminine (-ah) indicating renewed.

Please give me any info you can and provide sources if any. Thanks!!

Yahweh Bless

posted 08-03-2000 12:59 PM         

The ADJECTIVE "khadash", khet-dalet-shin, means "new" while the VERB in Piel conjugation means "renew" or "repair". In Jer 31:31 the term is "B'rit Khadashah" because "b'rit" is a feminine noun (adjectives agree with the noun they modify in gender, number and definiteness). As I have said elsewhere, Strong's generally has only the lexical form of a word. For an adjective the lexical form is masculine singular (ms). The context of Jer 31:31 says that the "New Covenant" is NOT like the one made at Sinai.

Adonai yimlokh l'olam vaed

ThePhysicist

p.s. The source is Brown-Driver-Briggs (BDB).

posted 08-03-2000 01:27 PM            

Thanks for the post, but I'm not sure that I understand you answer. Could you please carify?
And concerning "...not like the one made at Sinai..." I have always understood that to mean that it would be different because it would be written on our inward parts and that we would have the gift of the Holy Spirit to comfort us and guide us and give us strength.

Yahweh Bless

posted 08-03-2000 01:54 PM         

I assume you understood the point about the grammar, and it is only the last sentence that you don't understand. I have found that people who wish to translate the term as "Renewed Covenant" mean that the CONTENT is the same as the Sinai Covenant but it is now written on our hearts. I understand "not like the one made at Sinai" to refer to content also. It is a convenant with a new set of commands and blessings and a new priesthood, i.e. it is a different covenant not the old one reinstituted. I believe that this is what the author of Hebrews has in mind when he speaks of a "better covenant" with "better promises", Heb 8:6.

B'rakhot

posted 08-03-2000 02:25 PM            

(KJV with:[] stuff -- more prophetic)
Deu. 24.1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give [it] in her hand, and send her out of his house.

Deu 24:2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's [wife].

Deu 24:3 And [if] the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth [it] in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her [to be] his wife;

Deu 24:4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that [is] abomination before the YHWH: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the YHWH thy Elohim giveth
thee [for] an inheritance.

After divorce, you can't remarry the same wife. It is an abomination.

Yir. 31.32 not like the covenant I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Mitsrayim, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, declares YHWH.

It is matter of love, which is more than this life.

posted 08-03-2000 02:29 PM            

Thanks for your post but I'm not sure as to how that fits into the question and the topic.

posted 08-03-2000 03:00 PM            

Yir. 31.33 For this is the covenant I shall make with the house of Yisrael after those days, declares YHWH: I shall put My Torah in their hearts. And I shall be their Elohim, and they shall be My people.
34. And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbour, saying, 'Know YHWH,' For I shall forgive their sin, and remember their sin no more.

posted 08-03-2000 06:13 PM         

I just recently read an article from a Hebrew group I am with about Re-newed Covenant. I'll see if I can find it. Meanwhile, as another poster showed an example of Yah not remarrying......Which does not apply because Yah does take back Israel, I too offer Yah's personality as a example for the question about Re-newed Covenant. Moses is talking to the Israelites about what Yah said.

Lev 26:9 For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you.
10 And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.
11 And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.
12 And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.

Bring forth the 'Old' because of the 'New'.

Now, eat old store is an interesting thing.

Store:
3462 yashen {yaw-shane'} • 1) to sleep, be asleep 1a) (Qal) to sleep, go to sleep, be asleep 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to remain a long time, be stored up 1b2) to be festering (of leprosy) 1c) (Piel) to cause to sleep, entice to sleep

Old is not in the text. Strong's even uses the word 'to die' but says 'to be slack or languid'; also grow old.

10 And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.

And ye shall eat, die, and bring forth the old because of the new.

And ye shall eat, sleep, and bring forth the old because of the new.

And ye shall eat, remain a long time, and bring forth the old because of the new.

2319 chadash {khaw-dawsh'} • 1) new, new thing, fresh

Strong's new from root, 2318 - to be new; to rebuild.

You shall bring forth the old because of the rebuild?

But look at the word 'because'......

6440 paniym {paw-neem'} pl. (but always as sing.) of an unused noun paneh {paw-neh'} • 1) face 1a) face, faces 1b) presence, person 1c) face (of seraphim or cherubim) 1d) face (of animals) 1e) face, surface (of ground) 1f) as adv of loc/temp 1f1) before and behind, toward, in front of, forward, formerly, from beforetime, before 1g) with prep 1g1) in front of, before, to the front of, in the presence of, in the face of, at
the face or front of, from the presence of, from before, from before the face of

You shall bring forth the old from beforetime for the rebuild?

That's where Yah lead me to look, under the word 'new'. I am sure if we search further, more will be revealed. I gotta go.

posted 08-03-2000 08:05 PM         

Answer: The term "new covenant" would be meaningless unless what Jeremiah meant by it was the renewing of the old covenant, which will thereby regain its full original vigor. The covenant of old is of eternal duration, never to be rescinded or to be superseded by a new covenant (Leviticus 26:44-45). The covenant between God and Israel is frequently referred to as everlasting (e.g., Genesis 17:7, 13, 19; Psalms 105:8, 10; 1 Chronicles 16:13-18).

The Christian position concerning Jeremiah's covenant is the complete opposite of what the Jewish Scriptures teach. Hebrews 8:13
states: "In that he says, a new covenant, he has made the first obsolete. Now that which is being made obsolete and growing old is
near to vanishing away." In stark contrast to this statement, the Scriptures state: "The works of His hands are truth and justice; and
His precepts are sure. They are established forever and ever, they are done in truth and uprightness" (Psalms 111:7-8); "The grass
withers, the flower fades; but the word of our God shall stand forever" (Isaiah 40:8).

Jeremiah's "new covenant" is not a replacement of the existing covenant, but merely a figure of speech expressing the reinvigoration and revitalization of the existing covenant. The people of Israel
possess an old covenant yet a new covenant, truly an everlasting covenant.

posted 08-03-2000 09:12 PM         

Adam-Noah-Abraham-Moses-Us?

We break, he renews.

This is just the continuation of his plan, set forth from the begining.

Isaiah 48:2-6

'....The Elohim of hosts is my name. I have declared the former things from the begnning: and they went forth out of my mouth and I showed them: I did them suddenly, and they came to pass. Because I knew that you are obstinate and your neck is an iron sinew and your brow brass: I have even from the beginning declared it to you: before it came to pass I showed it to you so you wouldn't say: My idol has done it, my graven image and my molten image has commanded it. ...I have shown you new things from this time, even hidden things, and you didn't know them."

YHWH knows the heart of man. He gave us the whole but spoonful by spoonful, as a mother feeds a small child. If he didn't, we would have choked, as it is we are gagging on essentials!

He has not broken a promise.

I was under the impression that the Bride was ONE :Jew and Gentile. Not a new bride. He is bethrothed to one Bride.

Just as the messenger of the Lord prompted Joseph not to 'put away' Mary, the mother of Y'Shua but to fulfill his promise to marry her, YHWH has not put away the original bride. He is married to the backslidder.

Just as he made Hosea keep Gomer, and that was a hard task!!! YHWH is married to the one Bride. There is no old and new (although I have used the term myself) it is just one covenant with the Bride. From Bereshith to The Revelation.

He hates divorce. He will not put away the wife of his youth. But as he is ONE, we are ONE as the Bride.

novice.

posted 08-03-2000 10:09 PM            

Thanks for the post, but can someone post details on the words themself from the Hebrew.

posted 08-04-2000 08:18 AM         

The simple answer is that according to Hebrew grammar "khadash" = "new", see page 294 BDB. All occurences of "khadash" in the Tanakh as so translated. Examples are "shir khadash" (a new song) in Ps 33:3, 40:3, 96:1, 98:1, etc. In Ec 1:9 "v'ein kol khadash takhat hashemesh" (and there is not any NEW (thing) under the sun). There are many other occurences too numerous for me to post.

The endings for gender and number do not change the meaning. "khadash", "khadashah", "khadashim", "khadashot" all mean "new". So, "B'rit Khadashah" = "New Covenant".

Adonai yimlokh al kol ha'aretz. Bayom hahu yihyeh Adonai ekhad ush'mo ekhad.

ThePhysicist

Added note: I frequently point out that although a Hebrew word may have several meanings, its meaning in a given situation is determined by context. There is simply nothing in the Jer 31:31 passage that would suggest that "khadash" be understood in any way other than its normal meaning (new). The term means "New Covenant" plain and simple!

posted 08-04-2000 01:41 PM            

Covenant new or renewed? Both have 'new' in it, and the intend of both is the promised Shabbath in His shalom. I was of the opinion that it was renewed. But than, why did the Messiah had to die, or we have to die to enter the promised inheritance.
I do agree with Novice that the covenant with Yisrael was renewed number of times, but it was changed when the Messiah came.
Yisraelites that were born in the wilderness did not have to die to cross the Yarden to their promised inheritance. They passed under the covenant and were circumcised. The requirement for entry is changed now.

The Father has not changed, He has never been unfaithful.
I never said that Yisrael was abandoned or will loose it's inheritance.

posted 08-04-2000 05:35 PM         

'Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Y'Shua is Lord'

I thought that was everyone past,present,future. All other covenants did not save and blot out did they? Did not even Moses have to accept Messiah, or is that for the gentile dispensation (time) only?

There is one bride, but not with a split personality.

Hbrews sums it up.

' For the law is the shadow....and not the very image of the things, can never with thos scrifices offer year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. ' Heb. 10:1

Circumcision was not salvation.

novice