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Charles

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posted 07-28-1998 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Charles   Click Here to Email Charles     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
This posting is in response to the discussions on the earlier posting "America is holding up end times prophecy" I have chosen to post it here separately because it may be of interest to others as well. I wanted to let you know that it is not just evangelicals that believe that there is a possibility of a pretribulation Rapture of the true believers. This is something believed by a growing number of Rabbi's in Israel. I am in frequent contact with Barbra Richmond, who has a ministry world wide to Jewish believers, and also Jim Bramlett who is a faithful witness, with proven reliability.

HOT FAX FROM JERUSALEM! from Jim Bramlett

Last night,
Barbara Richmond gave me a copy of an unusual fax she had received from Jerusalem just two days earlier on 9/11/97. It was
from the Orthodox rabbi with whom she had a startling, supernatural encounter while visiting Jerusalem in 1995. By reminder,in 1995 while she was standing on a street in the Old City, an Orthodox rabbi called her by name and told her that he was among about 40 in the Orthodox Hassidic Jewish community to whom the Ruach HaKodesch (Holy Spirit) had shown that Y'shua (Jesus) is the Messiah. When she asked, "How do you know me?" he said that the night before while in prayer with other believing rabbis, the Lord revealed to him through another rabbi that he should be on that street at that time and there would be an American woman with black hair named Barbara, and to give her a message. The message was stunning, and the fulfillment of something the Lord had spoken to Barbara 26 years earlier and only her husband knew about it. This full, exciting story is recommended, and is on several Web sites, two of which are: http://web.singnet.com.sg/~spirit5/angels/rabbi.htm,

http://www.yeshuatheking.org/rabbi.html Barbara has since learned that there are now several hundred in the
Jerusalem Hassidic community who believe that Y'shua is the Messiah, and the rabbi, asking for prayer, told her a few months
ago that they plan to soon go public when their numbers reach about 50 percent. In itself, this is an incredible phenomenon and
an end-time sign. Below is the verbatim text of his 9/11/97 fax. Note the sequence of end-time events revealed to him as a
rabbinical student of Scripture without the influence of popular American theology.
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Text of 9/11/97 fax from rabbi Jerusalem To Barbara

Shalom from Yerushalayim
Today we have done long Bible study. I have revelation to send you important enough to break custom of reaching you through our sister. As you know we believe Y'shua HaMaschiah is coming very, very soon. Something very important spoken to me by Ruach HaKodesch. Think carefully with me. Numbers, chapter 4, verse one, Moses instructs the people that for a man to be a priest he must be at least 30 years of age but not more than 50 years. Then he may serve in the house of G'd. Y'shua began to minister at 30 years. I began to think about 30 years and 50 years, to ask for understanding because I felt something in my heart. Exodus 19:6 the Almighty calls all Israel to be a nation of priests. This is our destiny, our mission, our calling which must to be fulfilled in these times after the days of the Gentiles are finished when the body of Messiah is removed from this earth. Daniel's last week is at the door - when Israel will finish her calling from the Mighty One.

Now here is the situation to me... G'd always fulfills His patterns which he established. At least 30, no more than 50. The city of Yerushalayim so to speak became 30 years on 6 June, 1997, 30 years after Israeli control since 1967 war. Israel is 49 years, to celebrate 50 years 14 May, 1998. This is like a window of days when for the only time in history, both the city of David and the nation of Israel qualify at the right age to take up again the calling to be a nation of priests... THE CITY IS 30 YEARS, THE NATION, LESS THAN 50. Could it be that Israel will begin to fulfill its final destiny between now and May 1998? You
understand, dear Barbara, if this is true revelation from the Mighty One, "Blessed be His Name" that it is very important for you for as we know, the present body of Messiah must be taken from this earth before the Jews take up the mantle again of G'd's
work and will. So Y'shua could come for His followers anytime in this "window." Are they ready in America? Does anyone else speak of this? Do you sense truth in what I write to you? We must know the times so we can be ready.

(Closing comments. End of fax.)

Notice my brothers that the Rabbi, feels that the current body of true believer must and will be removed first, then the Jewish people will again assume their role of witness. They saw a window opening with the Numbers 4 ruling. This is information that the Lord had also shown to me and I had published two years ago.

Israel will be 51 years old next May. The time of the window is right. Although I personally believe that the important emphasis is on the city of Jerusalem and it's being 30 and up to 50 years.

Charles

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posted 07-28-1998 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sojourner   Click Here to Email sojourner     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Why is a gentile like me hanging out here? Because the age of the gentiles is over, and the appearing of Yeshua is all hanging on the Jews and their place in history this very day.

I asked Yahweh, but why would Yeshua come now, after all everyone is expecting him to reappear??? The millenium and all that jazz. Even the new agers are expecting him.

The reponse was this... As it was at the Messiahs first appearing so will it be at his second. Two Thousand years ago the Jews, (the people of the age that was coming to an end) the essenes, the Pharisees were all expecting the Messiah, but when he appeared in their midst, most of the elect (the jews) didn't recognize him They were expecting someone else. Someone their minds eye had constructed. Their hearts and spirits were dead to the reality of Yeshua.

So it will be this day. Most Christian gentiles (the people of the age that is coming to an end) will be too busy pursuing their comfortable lifestyles and the images of "Christ" in their mind's eyes to have have their hearts open to the second appearance of the Messiah. The message of the Ten Virgins is the warning for today.

The first century Christian lived their live in expectancy of the reappearing of Messiah. Christians of today live with all the signs that were predicted by Yeshua but live their lives as if he were not coming for another thousand years. Every morning I wake and I pray, "Lord if this is the day that you appear make me worthy in your sight and draw me to you."

I am not a nut, I am very conservative and test everything and
I am waiting with expectancy for his appearance.

May all who read this prepare themselves and the ones they love, for the time is very short.

Thank you for the word of confirmation.

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posted 07-29-1998 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Charles   Click Here to Email Charles     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Here is a bit more information to consider. Yeshua said, "As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming of the son of man." There are several things that can be drawn from this. The first is obvious, that Sin would be rampant.And the next also, that Judgment would come suddenly and unexpectedly to those who did not believe.

But we can also say, that those who did know the Lord, were told ahead of time and were saved by their faith in the provision of God's salvation. There could be another bit of information that is hidden, somewhat, in the repeating nature of the Lord's patterns.

According to the Genesis Chronology Adam was created and 1,948 years later Abram, the father of Israel, was born.

Likewise from the birth of Yeshua, the second Adam, to the rebirth of Israel was again 1,948 years.

When Abram, was 58 years old, Noah died. Noah was the marker for the end of the first age. He has sons born to him after God pronounces judgment, "I shall not contend with man forever for he is flesh, the number of his years shall be 120."
And 120 years later, the Lord shuts Noah and his family, inside the Ark, and the waters came forth, the execution of the judgment. Noah's sons were born when he was 500 years old, after the pronouncement of judgement, but before the execution of judgment. So Noah, and not his sons, are the end mark of the first age.

The death of Noah then took place 2006 years after the creation of Adam. And 58 years after the birth of Abram.

Israel was declared a nation in Nov, 1947, and ratified on May 14, 1948. Both dates are in the same Jewish year, 5708.

Therefore, 7 years from this Rosh ha Shannah will be 58 years from the birth of modern Israel, and 7 years from the completion of again 2006 years from the second Adam.

This date 7 years in the future, which is the fall of 2005, but is the beginning of the next Jewish year, also marks the end of 6000 years from the creation of Adam. It is time for the great Sabbath. "For a day unto the Lord is as a thousand to man." The purpose of the Sabbath is to teach us of this time of holiness that is coming when Yeshua Ha Mashiach reigns on the earth and we literally live in His presence, the fulfillment of Sukkot.

Why did the Lord give us this pattern? So that when we saw the miraculous re-gathering of his people to the land of promise, we would know where we are on His calendar of end times events.

It is given by Daniel that the Length of the covenant of death will be 7 years long, a time that we call the tribulation and then 42 months into that period, Antichrist, is revealed for who and what he is, and the time of Jacobs sorrows begins.

I believe that this is a VERY strong indication that the tribulation will begin at the end of the fall feast days this year. There are many other physical signs of this as well.

As an added point: there are 1260 days from the end of Tabernacles this year until Passover in 2002. There are then 1290 days from that passover(2002) until the "Sabbath of Return" in 2005. (Whch is the 5th day of Rosh Ha Shannah.) So the completion of 5 more days will bring you to day 1295, Yom Kippur, "the day of the closing of the gates", Judgment day. 40 days from that Yom Kippur then completes 1335 days.(40 is the number of judgment) "But blessed is he who remains until the 1335 days." The beginning of the Lords reign?

I know that this is what might be called Grand Speculation. But isn't it strange that in this year all these things lock in sync?

Charles

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I don't think it strange that wishful thinking is in vogue. It's the normal course of things for man.
If you want to use the Noah account, then you must know that he was lifted up on the waters of the earth, but he did not leave the planet.
The Exodus account, another illustration of future prophecy, did Israel leave the planet then? Ezekiel 20:34 "And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith Yahweh Elohim.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 and I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me. I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not inter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am Yahweh.
Doesn't Ephesians ch.4, and Romans chs.9,10,& 11, speak of one body, one tree, the homeborn together with those who were once strangers?
I look forward to being more than a conquerer, not fleeing from the mess we all helped to create.
They that know their Elohim shall be strong and do great exploits.

Baruch hashem ha Yahweh,
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posted 07-30-1998 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Charles   Click Here to Email Charles     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
In the Old Testament, people were saved the same as they are today, by faith in Yeshua, God's salvation. The blood of Animals looked forward to the Blood of Yeshua that would be poured out for all, in the fullness of time. The difference between the saints of the old covenant and those who are saved in this time, in the new covenant, is explained in Jerimiah 31:31, when God says that He "will write His laws on their hearts and minds."

This is a reference to the out pouring of the spirit of God and is a blessing for this age, for those who have been saved by total faith in the blood sacrifice of Yeshua.(The literal blood that was poured out.) No other age has been given this indwelling of the holy spirit.

In the old testemant, this blessing was reserved for Gods special anointed prophets and kings, and even then it could be revoked as it was when the anointing left Saul and was given instead to David.

But in this age, Yeshua gave all who believe, the entire true church, His Spirit, and He remains in us forever. It is never taken away. We have a little bit of God's Spirit living in us. We are the Temple of the Holy Spirit. This is why the believers in this age are to be taken up, to be with Him, Yeshua, in the place that He has prepared. To be where He is. So where is he, here on this earth? No, He is sitting at the right hand of the Mighty one. Yet this is where we are to be taken by Yeshua's own words. "That where I am you may be there also."

That is why we are with Him, when he returns to fully establish His kingdom and to defeat the enemies of God and His chosen people. Yeshua returns to battle, and we are with Him. Doesn't that mean that we must first go to Him before his return to the earth with us?

The 144,000 who are sealed, are they taken up? No they are sealed to remain here as His witnesses, and though many will be saved and come to the Lord, only these 144,000 are sealed. All of these others will not be in glorified bodies as the church is promised.
They are mortals who will come to believe in Yeshua and who will later repopulate the world during the Millennial Kingdom.

The church has the distinct position of being the Body of Christ.
He is the head, we are the body.

Doesn't the traditions of the Jewish wedding speak of this mystery of two becoming one flesh. And in the Wedding the groom comes suddenly without notice and takes the bride to His fathers house, where he has prepared a place for her. And the friends of the groom are called to attend, but must present themselves with there wedding clothes,(Righteousness of God) they must be ready.

In the Noah account it says that the Ark was lifted up high over the earth. Yes on the waters, but the word used is "nasa", which means to lift up high, or to marry. It's that a strange thing?

But all things were done for us in type and shadow so that we might learn, or discover the ways of our God.

In the feast days, the shieves of grain of the first fruits are lifted up on the third day after the passover and are waved in the air before the altar. This was a picture of the raising of Christ from the dead and his being presented before the throne of God.Yeshua was the first -fruit of those to be saved. On Pentecost, two loaves are lifted up and waved before the altar. These two loaves are like the church both Gentile,(one loaf), and the Jews, (the other loaf). But are made with yiest, which is a symbol of sin, or in this case, the forgiven sin which is replaced by the spirit of God.
And both the early shieves and the loaves are lifed up to the presence of God, each in their order, first the shieve (Yeshua) and then the loaves (the fruit of the grain, the early harvest, the Church)

There is still another harvest to come, the final harvest of Tabernacles, but nothing is raised up. In these we have God coming down on Rosh ha Shannah, Judgment on Yom Kippur and the Establishment of the Millinnial Kingdom and God dwelling on the earth with men, in Tabernacles. These are the events of the second coming, God to Earth. None of these have any business with Taking men up. Yet taking up is exactly the promises to the Church over many places in scripture.

Charles

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posted 07-30-1998 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for THEjamesWA   Click Here to Email THEjamesWA     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
My Friends, good day to you.

There shall be no rapture of "the church," any more than the L-rd
is coming to gather his church. For the rapture is a fabracation
of the church. For no where is Scripture does the G-d of Israel
state that He shall save or give the gift of Salvation unto the
gentiles before He does His People Israel. For the gentiles are
co-inheriters with Israel---they can not receive their reward,
their inheritance before Israel is reinstated.

As for the saviour of the gentile church. he is the son of predition,
he is the "strong delusion" sent by G-d so that ALL should believe
a LIE and fall backwards. For he is totally veiled, totally schrouded
in paganism. he is the masquareding Messiah, the mimmicking Messiah
the one who not only makes a mocker of the Messiah but of all Israel.
In that it is because of him that Torah is made void, and Israel
made desolate. And when one equates the name of Yahushus with jesus,
they defile the name of Yahushua--Salvation. For there is no
Salvation in the saviour of the gentile church. And that in part
is why in Rev. 3:12 the L-rd says that He shall have a "new name."
That is not a brand new name, rather a refreshed, a revived name.
For just as in the name of Messiah ben David---Yahushua--Salvation
was brought unto ALL Mankind. So it is that Salvation come unto
it's fulfillment in the Tabernacle of G-d.
And so, when Messiah returns as Messiah ben Joseph, the one unto who
all the people are Gathered. Therein shall be His Refreshed, His
Revived name. The Dwelling place of G-d, the Tabernacle of G-d.
Gen. 49:10 until Shiloh come, and unto Him shall the Gathering of
the people be. When the L-rd returns, He shall be called SHILOH.

Until Shiloh Comes
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posted 07-30-1998 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Charles   Click Here to Email Charles     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
To ThejamesWa:

Sir if your total experience of who Jesus, Yeshua,is comes from the Catholic Church or the Orthodox church, then I can completely understand your feeling and opinions. For these two, the largest of the Christian churches are born of Satan himself as proven by the many practices of these organizations. We who know and love Yeshua, also recognise the error in these so called churches.

You must remember that the Catholic church Killed more true believing Christians than Jews and still to this day resist and hate the truth. Everthing about that so called church is corrupt. The Catholic church trained Mohammud and formed the Antichrist religion of Islam, as a means to remove all True believers, whether Jew or Gentile. The history of the Catholic church is more disgracefull that that of King Ahab and Jezebel.

Although there are people within those denominations who are also saved, there are many more who are completely lost and Pagan. This is not true of all believers in Jesus, Yeshua.

It is interesting to note that both of these Pagan churches do not believe in or teach the rapture. So you have this in common with them.

I must tell you this one very important thing that you seem to have forgetten. The Church is not "The Gentile Church" nor is it the "Jewish Church" it is the Body of believers in Yeshua whether Jew or Gentile, all those who rely of the Lord as their salvation. There is neither Jew or Gentile in Him. Throughout the scriptures of the old testament, the Lord stated that He would call a people from the gentiles. Paul, also a Jewish Believer said that the partial blindness of the Jews would continue until the fullness of the gentiles be come in.

Yeshua speaking about the hardness of heart and reluctance of the Jews to recognise who he was said, "Many who are first will be last, and many who were last will be first." Because the Jews who were first had refused him, as it says,"He came unto His own , but His own recieved Him not". So the Gospel was sent on to all men including the Gentiles. Now they have become the first to recieve this Gospel. (In large numbers) Does this mean Israel is left out or forgotten? No! All of Israel will be saved in a day, their eyes will be opened in a single day. This could be because of the victory to come in the days ahead aginst Gog of Magog. (EZ 38,39) or it could be when once again the temple of God is taken away. What temple you ask? The believers in this age are the Temple of the living God. The first and the second Temples were taken away because of unbelief, will the third Temple now be taken away for your unbelief? Or will you become "A pillar in the Temple of My God" ? This choice is for each man to make.

Charles

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Charles:
My Friend, good day to you.

The rapture sounds good, and it sells d-mn good. But it can by no
means be Scripturally documented or legated. Yes, it most certainly
can be fabracated.
For nowhere in the Origional Testament does the G-d of Israel say
that the Gentiles shall receive either their salvation or their reward
before His People Israel. For the Gentiles are co-inheriters with
Israel. In short, the Gentiles shall not know what their reward is
until Israel first receives their reward. (or what ever)

True, there shall be that 144,000 who are redeemed, rescued from
this earth for a time. However, they are to return. These are not
redeemed to play ring-around-the-rosey at the Throne of G-d. These
are redeemed for the purpose of the setting up, the reinstatement
of the twelve tribes.

Until Shiloh Comes
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Thejamesway,

If there is an error in what you have stated, or in what you thought that I said let me correct that. There is no Question of who will be rewarded first, Jew or Gentile. The Jews were called first. They were blessed first and they received the Mashiach first. But that is the end of this separation. From the time of the Resurrection of our Lord until His return there is neither Gentile OR Jew. There is only Believers and Unbelievers. We are all one man before the Lord. When I said "those who were first would be last", It fell to the Jews in that case because they were first to know the one God and the first to hear the Gospel. But as you know, they were not the first to openly recieve it.

Many of the first believers were Jews who made the step into Gods plan, as it blossomed and brought forth fruit, in Yeshua. But the majority of Israel remain unto this day, in the old shell of the Law, from which the fulfillment, in Yeshua, has been removed. It is an empty shell. The life and fruit of Judaism is now in Yeshua the fulfillment of all the law and the prophets.

When the Rapture happens, it will not be the Gentile church, there is no Gentile church. There is only THE CHURCH, the believers, the followers of Yeshua, those who have been saved by the blood. And all of these who have been saved by Grace through faith will be gathered up together. This is the promise from Yeshua Himself and shown in many places in the word.

Israel was called to be a royal priesthood and always will have that distinction, but those who have responded to the Gospel of Yeshua in faith will be Sons of God, whether natural or adopted sons, whether Gentile of Jew. We all have become the Sons of God, by faith in Him.

The feast of Tabernacles is a picture of the coming kingdom of Yeshua. In the old testament, when the assembly was called all the people were to come before the Lord as one man. They were not to bring their Tribe banners or other marks of Family distinction, they were to be a single body of believers for this feast. This is a great picture of what the future holds.

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I find it very interesting that someone would base his arguement and quote scriptures written by people who worshipped Yeshua as "God" to prove that Yeshua was the "Son or Perdition."

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sojourner:

My Friend, good day to you.

I do not say that Messiah ben David---Yahushua, is the son of predition.
For Yahushua is not G-d, nor did He ever claim to be.
It is the projected saviour of the gentile church who claims to be G-d
and set in the Temple showing that he is G-d. And when a personn
equates or relates the two as one and the same. They defile the
name of Messiah ben David.

Nor is Messiah ben David the ultamate pagan sacrifice, that of the human
blood sacrifice to appease a god.
Messiah ben David, is as Paul states, the Testator of the New Testaament.
Heb. 9:15 And for this cause He is the mediator of the new testament,
that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that
were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the
promise of eternal inheritance. 16 For where a testament is, there
must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament
is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all
while the testator lives.

Until Shiloh Comes
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Good Morning--

Since you say you believe the NT as truth but deny that the Messiah, Yeshua is Elohim, how do you explain His words. Clearly he states he is Elohim...not Yahweh, but Elohim.

John 8:58 I tell you the truth, Yeshua answered, before Abraham was born, I am!"

John 10:25-38 I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; none can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father
am one... ...Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am Elohim's Son'? Do not believe me unless I do what the Father does, but if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.

John 12:44 The Yeshua cried out, "When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only, but in the one that sent me. When he looks at me, he sees the the one who sent me."

John 14:9 "Don't you know me Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.

John 17:5 "And now Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."

Mark 14:61 Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?" "I am," said Yeshua, "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven." The High priest tore his clothes, "Why do we need any more witnesses?" he asked. "You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?"

Genesis 1:1-2 In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darknes was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of Elohim was hovering over the waters.

Genesis 1:26-27 Then Elohim said, "Let us make man in our own image, in our likeness, and let them rule over... (WHO IS THE US???)THE TRIUNE ELOHIM IS PRESENTED WITH THE FIRST WORDS OF CREATION.

Submitted by a humble and weak sojourner whose strength and salvation is found in the Son of Yahweh.


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To THEjamesWA--

It states in scriptures many places that the gentiles will be given salvation first because this free gift was rejected by the majority of the Jews at the time of Messiah's appearing.

Matthew: 22 The parable of the Wedding Banquet

The kingdom of Elohim is like a king who prepared a wedding baquet for his son. He sent his servants to those who had been invited(the Jews) to the banquet to tell them to come but they refused to come. Then he sent some more servants and said, 'Tell those who have been invited that I have prepare a dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.' But they paid no attention and went off-- one to his field, another to his business. The rest siezed his servants, mistreated them and killed them. The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed the murderers and burned their city(Jerusalem). The he said to his servants, 'The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. Go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone(the gentiles) you find. So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad, and the wedding hall was filled with guests. But when the king came he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. Friend he asked,'how did you get in here without wedding clothes?' The man was speachless. The the king told the attendants, Tie him hand and foot, throw him outside into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are invited but few are chosen.

Luke 14:16 Yeshua replied, "A certian man (Yahweh) was preparing a great banquet and invited many guests. At the time of the banquet he sent his servant(Messiah) to tell those(the Jews) who had been invited. "Come for everything is ready now." "But they all began to make excuses. The first said, 'I have just bought a field, and I must go and see it. Please exuse me.' Another siad, 'I have just bought five yoke of oxen, and I'm on my way to try them out. Please excuse me.' Still another said, 'I just got married so I can't come." The servant (Messiah) came back and reported to the master (Yahweh). Then the owner of the house(Israel) became angry and ordered his servant, 'Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind and the lame(the gentiles.)Sir the servant said, 'what you ordered has been done, but there is still room.' Then the master told his servant, 'Go out to the roads and country lanes and make them come in,so that my house will be full. I tell you, not one of those men (the Jews who rejected
Yeshua as messiah) who were invited will get a taste of my banquet.

The church should not take pleasure in this parable. At Messiah's second coming the condition of the "church" will be the same as the condition of the Jews at his first appearing.

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posted 08-01-1998 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for THEjamesWA   Click Here to Email THEjamesWA     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
sojourner:
My Friend, good day to you.

Since you say you believe the NT as truth but deny that the Messiah, Yeshua is Elohim,
how do you explain His words. Clearly he states he is Elohim...not Yahweh, but Elohim.
John 8:58 I tell you the truth, Yeshua answered, before Abraham was born, I am!"

Within the realm of the Hebrew language the Creator of All Creation has many expressed names. These names are not, if you will, proper names. Rather, they are the discription of that service or office that is being preformed at that time. The Creator, the G-d of Israel in truth has no proper name--singular name that is--that is known unto mankind. That is why in Hebrew, when ever He is spoken of in generalities, He is called HaShem---The Name. When Messiah ben David--Yeshua said, "before Abraham was born, I am!" Messiah was not saying that He is G-d in the form or office of Elohim. Elohim is a plural form, it is not a singular. Just as Yahweh is the only feminine form in which the Creator is presented. So when one calls upon Yahweh, they in a matter of speaking call upon G-d the Mother--feminine. In Hebrew, there is no such thing as a neuter. All things are classified as either masculine or feminine, rocks, pencils, pens, boxes, keys, whatever. They are either his or hers. G-d as such, is not refered to in the masculine as in gender. Rather it is in the masculine principle--the first principle. For G-d is Spirit, G-d is Light, and therein is no sexual identification as in the mortal being.
What is your understanding of the difference between the English "I am," and the Hebrew "AM MI?"
Hosea 1:9 Then said G-d, Call his name Lo-am-mi: for ye are not my people, and I will not by your G-d.
AM---That is in reference to a people, a nation. MI---That is in reference to an individual that is of, or among those people. Speaking to, giving instruction to those people, that nation. LO---that is negative.
Hosea 1:9 is speaking about Christianity. For even though they say that they are G-d's people, they are not. And G-d is not within them, among them. Because they are totally immerged in Paganism.
So in truth what Yeshua said was, "before Abraham was born, AM MI. Meaning, if you will, G-d's spokesman to and within the people, the nation of G-d's people. Messiah was not claiming to be in any way shape or form G-d. Rather He is the Spokesman of G-d. The Word made flesh. Word===TORAH.

Until Shiloh Comes
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posted 08-01-1998 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Charles   Click Here to Email Charles     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
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Good day to you. You should not try to make your point throught the process a school grammar teacher. Tearing appart the words and trying to extract meaning that isn't there. Men who could not read and could not hear but who could see, understood that Yeshua was Mashiach, Son of Elohim. Men who could not read and were blind, heard Him speak and knew that He was Masiach. Men who could not read, and were deaf and blind, still came to the same conclusion, Yeshua Ha Mashiach, Ben David, Ben Elohim.

It was the Pharisee's who stumbled and could not make this connection. Even though they were teachers of the law, who were fully capacitated with sight, and hearing, and knowledge of the word, yet they did not believe. Why? Is it only the dim and the deficient who can understand this? No! But it is those who's hearts are open, who are humble, without pride and self righteousness, who are able to see truth, hear truth, and recieve the great mysteries of God. He has blinded the wise (in there own mind) and given grace to the humble and the weak.

Yeshua stated openly, and displayed with His every action that He was and is the Mashiach, and that He was one with, joined with, the true witness of, the son of, the same as, the God of Heaven.

Open the eyes of your heart and see. There is no savior of the gentile church other than Yeshua. There is no Gentile Church. Only one God and only one Church, which is His body. If you look for another, you will be welcoming the very imposter who the scriptures say is about to step onto the world stage.

Yeshua said, "I come in my fathers name and they will not recieve me, but another will come in his own name. Him they will recieve."

Charles

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