Re: To Toni: Continuation of the 'Shaul/Sheol?' Discussion

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: D'vorah, : In the first place I want to thank you for your work, with the one which I am mostly in agreement. : I understand your exposition, sometimes a little personal, : because is not corresponded to that the : majority understands and teach on Paul. : A great majority understand that Paul teachs against the Torah. : Some few understand that he is not against the Torah. : Other, each day are further of Paul to return to Yahushua. : Today I think, that the teachings arrive to us, not according to what us want to learn, : but upon putting our lives in the hands of the One that it can drive us. : Peace among the brothers, : : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : :: Simply they are two different schools, but one is an imitation of the other, : :: as some of the actual Christianity is an imitation from Paulinity. : : :Yes I agree....the imitation you speak of comes from false doctrines through the misunderstanding of : :Shaul...he is not the man Paul that most of Christianity teaches....just like Yah'ushah is not the man : :'Jesus' that they teach of either! : :Do we throw out these writings then because some in Christianity has misunderstood..and allowed : :their deceptions to be a basis for their doctrines? Of course not....just as we should not throw out the : :writings of Shaul..just because many do not uderstand him and have come up much falseness because of : :it. : D'vorah, why is so easy be lost by the roads of the forest? : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : >Do we really think that YHWH could not have given us a 'pure' translation of the B'rit Chadasha??? : Of course He could have! I believe He ALLOWED the B'rit to be translated as such because we are : all 'blinded' to a certain degree...until YHWH gives us eyes of understanding....and I believe we get : this by dilegently seeking HIS WILL and not ours nor man's will and we can either accept the : mistranslations, misinterpretations of our Bibles we have or we can search deeper to find the pureness : that was allowed to be buried by Elohim. And I don't think we should condemn the Christian or : person because they do not 'see' or understand either...as Yah'ushah told some of the corrupted : <Pharisees in Yochanan/John 9:35-41... : Yes, I agree also. The message of Yahushua is a salvation message. Never we have of condemn to nobody. : First, because we do not have this power, and second, because condemning to the others : we condemn to us. : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : >:~35) Yah'ushah heard that they had cast him out; and when He had found him, He said to him, "Do you : believe in the Son of Elohim?" 36) He answered and said, "Who is He, Adon/Master, that I may : believe in Him?" 37) And Yah'ushah said to him, "You have both seen HIm and it is He who is talking : with you." 38) Then he said, "Adon, I believe!" And he worshiped Him. 39) And Yah'ushah said, : "For judgment I have come into this olam/world, that those who do not see may see, and that those : who see may be made blind." 40) Then SOME of the Pharisees who were with Him heard these : words, and said to Him, "Are we blind also?" 41) Yah'ushah said to them, "If you were blind, you : <would have no sin; but now you say, 'We see.' Therefore your sin remains. : Precious those words which I have much to learn. This is our master : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : :I see people over and over blaming the whole of the Pharisees as being corrupt...but when you search : :it out you can see that not all were...as Acts 15:5 says...that some were even believers in Yah'ushah and : :followed Him. : Acts 15:5 has to say this, because prepares the entry of a Pharisee. : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : :Yah'ushah was speaking to those that understood that He was HaMashiach but spoke against Him as : :being such because of their corruptness...Yah'ushah knew that they knew who He was...but through : :their corruptness they chose to keep the people in blindness..and unaware....and so their sin : :remains...they have no excuse at the judgment.. : "Those" it is better, because many, pharisees or not pharisees, we find ourselves some times in our lives, in this situation. : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : :I believe that we are to apply this to others that do not 'see' as of yet....they have no sin in that : :respect...but when YHWH opens their eyes then they are held accountable for not seeking YHWH's : :Will in the matter..but go on with their or man's will...so I don't intend to try to decide anyones : :salvation....it is not my place....and I am glad that you agree. Only One knows the heart. : This road chunk we go it together. I think that we have of learning to condemn less : and to forgive more. : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : :: : :>I have Scripture that tells me that Sha'ul is authorized... : : :: : : :: >Where?.... : :: :>Luke's account, Sha'ul's account and testimony, Shimon's/Peter's reference to him {2 Shimon 3:15} : : : : :D'vorah... mummm..., you want to play with me ? ok...: kadima. : : : : :The letter of Kefas is one advice of warning to all the believers, see 1:1 (all) : : : : :You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, let you also fall from your own steadfastness, : : :being led away with the delusion of the lawless, but grow in the favour and knowlege of our Master and : : :Savior Yahushua Messiah. (vs 17-18) : : : : :How it can be twisted what is not accepted? : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : : But see, WHO is doing the 'twisting'? : D'vorah, unfortunately are lost those that do not follow the adequate Way. : But the Way is clear in Yahushua. : This WHO, evidently it is referred to those which follow the doctrines of Paul. : You reply the question. Why is so easy be lost by the roads of the forest? : : I don't see Shaul doing it..I see the 'twisting' in mistranslations : : and misinterpretations of his writings.... : : I don't find Shaul to teach Torahlessness....only those that see 'blindly' his writings... : : as most of Christianity has based their doctrines upon...by doing away with the : : mitzvot/commandments and ways of YHWH and His Son--Yah'ushah. : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : My dear sister, the message is very clear, we have returning to Yahushua. : There we will find ourselves all. Some will have to let the Talmud and others to Paul. : Possibly, if might have arrived to us the Canon with other books, : today, we would be justifying other books. Attempting to encase the pieces, : some of they difficult of encasing. But the kernel of the truth, : the message of Yahushua, would stay. : Marcion, it did not had intention of attaching the gospels : in the Canon, and however here they are. : And if they are here, it is so that we could put them in practical, : and this is my greater desire in this short life. : Until now, I have been called, but not yet chosen. : Perhaps someday, my loved will visit me. : : Todah to you D'evora, and receives all my fondness : and desire of benedictions for your work, your good work, : in the name of Yahushua. : From Spain, : Toni. : PS Makes days that I do not know nothing from Sister Tamar : and from David.... ! David, are you here?... I hope yes.

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