In Reply to: For us or against us? posted by Br. Clif on October 15, 1997 at 20:18:00:
Br. Toni,
: "Do not forbid him, for he who is not againts us is for us"
: The question is: ¿Was Paul directly against Yahushua?
: if not, then..., "is for us".
:Directly or indirectly, it mattereth not. It is whether he was :for or against YaHUshua's congregation,
:against which the gates of Sheol/Shaul shall not prevail.
:And you must realize that those who seem to be the most for us :can be the most against us.
:--Shalom, my Brother,
:Br. Clif
Dear Brother Clif,
I am astounded, of the fact that without have us known we are in the same way.
We see clearly the situation with Paul, and has been given to us see this reality,
because nobody taught us this as doctrine, but in loneliness and seeking
the face of Yah, has been given to us this knowledge.
But what for us is evident, it 's not. for our brothers.
And they can say the same of we.
Perhaps they see us as insane, (fool),
and other more mature, understand that what we said we not invent it,
but behind each word there are many hours of prayings
I think that there are at last three levels for those which can demonstrate
our point of view on Paul.
With the text in the hand. (technical)
For comparison with the Ruach, that it drives to all truth.
With our acts, in silence.
Never it will be able be demonstrated that Paul it was' an
Apostle sent by Yahushua, simply because it was not.
But my question is, ¿we have of forbiding it?or as John
we have of saying to Yahushua, "is not of the our, Master".
What would answer us Yahushua: "Do not forbid him,
for he who is not againts us is for us"
Or then, perhaps Him would say us in loneliness:
Matt 12:30/Lukke11:23
"He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who
does gather whith Me scatters abroad"
My brother Clif, our life is not an easy life.
If our demonstration is at spiritual level, yet it is
more hard that who could not understand it,
it arrives to understand it, and will call us
possessed, as called to Him.
(something which either imports me as call me,
because already have called me of all)
Now, if we can demonstrate it with acts,
with love, with mercy for all, our voice will
not be heard, ( for this perhaps there are few
Natzarim and few Ebionites), but if we quiet ,
the "stones" will speak.
The first order is: " You will love.."
even to our possible enemies, and I want to learn this also.
The rest is commentary.
Wants Yah, to drive us forward.
with mercy for all.., for all.
With all my fondness from Spain,
your brother Toni.