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#112467 - 09/03/10 10:37 AM Called, Saved, Chosen
yonah1 Offline


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In terms of various ministries, I was wondering if it might not be a bad idea to have discussion concerning these three words that are not very well understood, and often interchanged. Shalom
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John 17:6

“I have revealed your name to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word."


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#112589 - 11/24/10 09:02 AM Re: Called, Saved, Chosen [Re: yonah1]
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Yahweh does the calling...We are chosen...BUT we are not saved yet....Just as we have been grafted in...We can be cut out....

Rom 9:15

For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion."

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#112761 - 02/17/11 09:12 PM Re: Called, Saved, Chosen [Re: yonah1]
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2 Corinthians 6:2
~2~ (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
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#112762 - 02/17/11 09:13 PM Re: Called, Saved, Chosen [Re: Tamar Deburg]
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2 Corinthians 6:2
~2~ In the Scriptures Elohim says, "When the time came, I listened to you, and when you needed help, I came to save you." That time has come. This is the day for you to be saved.

Here's another translation that makes this passage clearer


Edited by Ryan Peters (02/17/11 09:16 PM)
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#113035 - 08/06/11 06:14 PM Re: Called, Saved, Chosen [Re: Ryan Peters]
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John 17:6

“I have revealed your name to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word."


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#113036 - 08/08/11 05:42 PM Re: Called, Saved, Chosen [Re: yonah1]
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Romans 8:28-33. Explains this nicely.

You are " saved " the moment you believed upon Yahshua the Messiah, your name is written in the Lamb's book of life. Their is nothing you have done or ever will do that can seperate you from the " LOVE of YAH ". Let every thing that has breath Praise YAH !

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#113037 - 08/09/11 12:23 AM Re: Called, Saved, Chosen [Re: Elteqay]
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once,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,always James 1:12
"Blessed [is the] man who endures temptation; for, having been proved, he shall receive the crown of life"


Edited by yonah1 (08/09/11 12:39 AM)
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John 17:6

“I have revealed your name to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word."


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#113039 - 08/09/11 09:30 PM Re: Called, Saved, Chosen [Re: yonah1]
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Acts 13:2....Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.

Romans 1:6 And you also are among those who are called to belong to Yahshua the Messiah.

Acts 2:47....and Yahshua added to their number daily those who were being saved.

Acts 16:30-31....what must I do to be saved? Believe in Yahshua, and you will be saved you and your household.

Mark 13:20....But for the sake of the elect,whom HE has chosen....

John 13:18....I know those whom I have chosen.

Ephesians 1:4-5 For HE chose us in Messiah before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in YAH'S sight. In love HE predestined us to be adopted as HIS sons through Yahshua the Messiah in accordance with HIS pleasure and will.

Yahweh Shavaot is the GOD in complete control. Yah calls, Yah saves, and Yah chooses. Praise Yah!!!

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#113096 - 08/26/11 06:15 AM Re: Called, Saved, Chosen [Re: yonah1]
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Originally Posted By: yonah1
In terms of various ministries, I was wondering if it might not be a bad idea to have discussion concerning these three words that are not very well understood, and often interchanged. Shalom


In tulsa oklahoma, it is difficult/impossible(humanly) to find someone else who is saved/free from deception.

Watchman Nee with Yahweh's Wisdom and Grace pointed out at least 3 things to be saved from - I think "flesh", "power of sin", "world government/society", and "power of ha-s.t.n"...
----that's 4, I know, but that's the gist of it...

phrmk has deceived the WHOLE world. governments, chruches, teachers, bankers, students, chrstains, buddists, farmers, frogs, dogs, and cats !!!(I.E> EVERYONE!!!)

to be saved from phrmk is the ultimate grace these days!!!

it is impossible to tell if phrmk or greed is the greatest 'force' impelling all men every where to continue staying in AND PERPETRATING their evil situation on others... .. . /// // / / /// // / // ///
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.. and, ??? , (like Yah's people in slavery?) ,
who can 'resist' when something of the world/system is needed? who can / who dares to / who has any resources to ??
...
finding someone anywhere "saved" is sheer blessing, sheer grace, in MESSIAH Ha-Mashiach . . .
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#113187 - 10/21/11 11:08 AM Re: Called, Saved, Chosen [Re: yonah1]
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Yeshua was asked why he taught in parables. He responded, "So that they would not understand and might be saved." Obviously that meant that many would not be saved, even though hearing and believing(believers) the word, but not saved. Saved for what? What did hearing the word mean in terms of being called a disciple? The rich young man who asked what he needed to do and was told, "Follow the commandments." Did it mean giving up everything to become martyr? People have responsibilities that cannot be met by becoming an all out disciple and giving up their all for the sake of the Kingdom. They have to compete in this world and pay bills, provide for families, etc, etc as opposed to living a very restrictive life a la Paul and take off on suicidal missionary journeys. So are all those who cannot live such a live not part of the Body of Messiah? Or does the Body of Messiah consist of those loyal and obedient to Torah, and others who are able and willing to give and exercise much more who and who are in line for ruling with Messiah, aka, 144,000, without being ladened with a guilt trip by various cults? And what about those trapped in various denominations of xtianism, who are ignorant of the Divine Names and the Torah, but practice the "weightier matters" eg, mercy, justice, charity, even though they have not been instructed in Torah, but do things by nature of it? Will they be "called out" to be part of the Body, or called to be of the 144,000, or called by virtue of being a remnant of Jacob who are being given light in the end times who will survive Jacobs time of trouble as did the Hebrews coming out of Egypt?


Edited by yonah1 (10/21/11 11:12 AM)
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John 17:6

“I have revealed your name to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word."


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#113188 - 10/21/11 06:42 PM Re: Called, Saved, Chosen [Re: yonah1]
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It's a lot simpler than that.
Just do what the widow did - i.e. give what the widow gave, totally trusting ABBA and only ABBA for sustenance .... simple and true.
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"...suffer persecution so
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#113189 - 10/22/11 12:55 AM Re: Called, Saved, Chosen [Re: yeshuaslave]
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How would you apply "called, chosen and saved to her?" And was she a disciple or merely a believer or follower?


Edited by yonah1 (10/22/11 12:59 AM)
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John 17:6

“I have revealed your name to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word."


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#113190 - 10/22/11 03:31 AM Re: Called, Saved, Chosen [Re: yonah1]
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“Are you not therefore mistaken, because you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God?
...
And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.
.....
“Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”
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44And all who believed (who adhered to and trusted in and relied on Jesus Christ) were united and [together] they had everything in common;

45And they sold their possessions (both their landed property and their movable goods) and distributed the price among all, according as any had need.
....
can you not see. the disciple, follower, faithful in Yahshua claims nothing for himself? How far have we fallen from grace that we do not live daily as He says?
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"...suffer persecution so
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#113191 - 10/22/11 06:49 AM Re: Called, Saved, Chosen [Re: yonah1]
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John 17:6(below) seems to be of special significance. Messiah did not go around proclaiming the true name of Elohim in defiance of Jewish prohibition, but only to a select group who are of a different class of believers - were all called to this class? Obviously not. Were they all especially chosen to be part of a Royal Priesthood? (1 Peter 2:9) Obviously not. Were all baptized into becoming Israel thru Messiah when they already were part of Israel? Obviously not. The Body has many members. Is this what they were called to and to be used according to their various gifts? So have we all been called out of the world and/or called to the Body of Messiah or is the Body a special class and everyone else merely saved from the lake of fire as in "All Israel will be saved?" I seek deeper understanding rather than a few quotes and an insult.

Hebrews 6

1 Wherefore, having left the word of the beginning of the Christ, unto the perfection we may advance, not again a foundation laying of reformation from dead works, and of faith on God,

2 of the teaching of baptisms......,
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John 17:6

“I have revealed your name to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word."


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#113193 - 10/23/11 09:30 PM Re: Called, Saved, Chosen [Re: yonah1]
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You won't get deeper/any understanding without giving up your life.(no, not at all taking or ending your life, for those who might read in passing; yes, being immersed in Yahshua's Life without even a thought for self)
If you're living as true and simply as watchman nee did, as the ekklesia in communist china are, then you would have realized you weren't be insulted at all.
When Yahshua says "Come, Follow Me", He allows you to go back to the farm, or to the relatives funeral, or to the "business that has to be taken care of" if you chose to....... you know the Scripture.
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"...suffer persecution so
that, perhaps, take part in
resurrection..." Paul's letter

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