WHAT (YAHOSHAY) THE MESSIAH HAD TO SAY ABOUT LAWLESSNESS

Strong’s #8451 (Hebrew) is “thorah” = “law”

-corresponds to-

Strong’s #3551 (Greek) is “nomos” = “law”

Both # 8451 and #3551 are equal to the concept of “law”, or that which is “legal/lawful”



Strong’s #8451 (Hebrew) is “thorah” with the proceeding negative participle “lo” = “without law/lawless”

-corresponds to-

Strong’s #458 (Greek) is “anomia” with the proceeding negative participle “a”

-meaning-

“Illegal/Illegally” or “Violating the Law”


Matthew 7:23 (beginning at 21).....”Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord”, will enter into the Kingdom of heaven, but the ones who do the will (law, word) of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and in your name do many works of power?” And then I will declare to them, “I never knew you, depart from me, those working anomia (violating the Law or working illegally).“

Note: does not say for ALL of them to depart, only those who are working illegally (anomia).

Matthew 13:41......”The son of man will send forth his angels and they will gather out of his kingdom all the offenders and those who practice anomia (violation of the law or illegality) and they will throw them into the furnace of fire, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous (doers of the Law, Word) will shine out like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. The one having ears to hear, let him hear.”

Matthew 23:26-28.....”Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish (the heart, by the Word/Torah), that the outside (actions) of them may become clean (righteous, pure) also. Woe to you, scribes (religious writers) and Pharisees (religious leaders/authority), hypocrites, for you are like whitewashed graves, which outwardly indeed appear beautiful (pure) but within are full of bones of the dead (impure) (these were unclean) and of all uncleanliness. So you also indeed outwardly appear righteous to men (appear to be DOING RIGHT), but within are full of hypocrisy and anomia (illegality or law breaking).”

Matthew 24:3-13.....”The disciples came to him privately, saying: “Tell us when will these things be, and what is the sign of your coming and of the end of the age.” And answering, Yahoshay said to them: “See that not any (one) lead you astray, for many will come in my name saying, “I am annointed,” and will deceive many. “But you are going to hear of wars and rumor of wars. Look, do not be disturbed, for all things must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation (peoples) will rise against nation (or peoples) and kingdom against kingdom (government) and there will be famines and plagues and earthquakes against places. But all these things (are a) beginning of pains. Then they will deliver you up to affliction and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations (peoples) for my namesake (as those who identify with him—not just an appellation). Then many will be ensnared (caught up in the whole thing) and will deliver up one another (for punishment) and will hate one another and many false (lying) prophets (speakers of the word) will be raised (become visible) and will cause many to err. And because anomia (violation of the law, illegality) shall have been multiplied (increased exponentially), the love of many will grow cold (ineffective). But the one who endures (lawfully of course, by context) to the end, that one will be saved.”

Further Note:

The strength of the above message spoken by the Messiah has been hidden in the above texts by translators by rendering the Greek word "anomia" in the English translations with different English words and concepts which don't accurately demonstrate the true meaning of "anomia"......and therefore, the fact of what Yahoshay was saying in these instances.

Many in the "messianic" community currently claim that thorah (law) "observance" is beneficial, but that thorah "obedience" is not required for salvation. This is a false teaching based upon a false presentation of grace versus law. Obedience to the thorah of Yahwah is 100% necessary for covenanted believers in Yahwah, and for the ultimate reward/blessing of the covenant......eternal life with our Heavenly Father.

Shamayon & Rabkah

... and where are the 'covenanted' believers
who live Yahshuas' Life
such that
their neighbors and workers around them note that
"THEY HAVE BEEN WITH GOD" (YHWH)
/
and
if a pervert with a demon influence comes around them he is convicted and either he repents or he leaves
/
and
if a thief comes among them he is convicted and repents or leaves
/
and
if someone who has given their own "IT'S OKAY" to divorce comes
among them he is convicted of his sinful approval of sin and either repents or leaves ?
/
and
if anyone in their presence is hungry, if the 'covenanted' ones have food(for in the places where the martyrs live, they may go for days without food for the body),
the food is (happily and joyfully and without thought of self)
shared... ... ...
/
and ... ... ... well, hopefully, you get the point... there are martyrs abiding each and every moment with and in Yahshua joyfully, righteously, worshiping all day every day like the world cannot do nor understand even when they see right before them. Yes, the dead are raised, the sick are healed, the broken and destitute and the weak are strengthened and uplifted,
and the unselfish rare pure unadulterated joy full love that
fills their lives is seen by those around them, believer and unbeliever alike.
They are clean and free of every form of greed and idolatry.

Hi Yeshuaslave,

.....but are these you are mentioning above being careful to hedge about by (carefully obey) the commandments, statutes, and judgements (the thorah/word) of the Yahwah? This is not totally clear from your response............smile.

Sincerley,

Shamayon & Rabkah

Praise YAH the true torah is written on our hearts.

Jer.31:33 Yah states, HE will write torah on our hearts.

Isaiah 51:7 Hearken to ME,you who know rightousness,the people in whose heart is my torah.

Psalm 37:30-31 The mouth of the rightous man utters wisdom and his tongue speaks what is just.
The torah of YAH is in his heart,his feet will not slip.

Saved by Faith. The Council at Jerusalem.

Acts 15:1-35 Some men came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the brothers; Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses you cannot be "saved".(Lev.12:3) This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed along with some other believers to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question.

Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said; The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to follow the law of Moses.

Peter stands and adresses the council, Brothers you know that some time ago YAH made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. YAH who knows the heart showed that HE accepted them by giving the HOLY SPIRIT to them, just as HE did to us. YAH made no distinction between us and them, for HE purified their hearts by faith. Now therefore why do you test YAH by putting a yoke upon the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? No! We all believe we are "saved" through the "grace" of Yahshua Ha'Mashiach just as they are.

The Council writes a letter telling the believers in Antioch to abstain from worshipping idiols, from sexual immorality, and from blood.(Lev.17:7,10) The letter is delivered by Judas called Barsabbas and Silas, two men who were leaders among the brothers along with Paul and Barnabas.

Verse 31....the people read it and rejoiced and were encouraged by the message.And Judas and Silas who also were prophets,urged,warned,consoled,and encouraged the believers with many words and strengthened them.

Let everything that has breath Praise YAH.


John 16:12-16

Hello,

Are you saying that the thorah of Yahwah was not written on (or was in) the hearts of Yasharal (Israel) when it was revealed to them upon leaving Matsarim (Egypt)?

Also, are you saying that that the thorah of Yahwah as revealed to Yasharal (Israel) upon leaving Matsarim (Egypt) is what is being referenced in "Now therefore why do you test YAH by putting a yoke upon the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?"?

I ask this to clearly understand where you personally are coming from in light of your post.

Sincerely,

Shamayon

Shamayon,

Let me ask you, which is greater The Torah or Messiah ?

Elteqay

This is not an issue of "greatness", it is an issue of obedience.

We do not "do" messiah, but we "do" the thorah. We must hedge about the thorah 100% to be in a position to receive the provision/grace of the sacrifice of the messiah.......the passover lamb. Without the thorah, his life, death, and shedding of blood have no value.

Can you be so kind as to go ahead an answer my previous question to you?

Shamayon

When the Children of Israel came out of Egypt there was not a feeble one among them.Because of the Healing power of the LAMB of YAH who takes away the sin of the world.Because of unbelief Only 2 Passed Over into the Land of Promise.
The 10 Words were written on "stone" not on hearts. Yah said he should destroy all of these people because of their hardness of heart and HE would bring a nation forth out of Moses.But Moses interceded for the people.


Messiah is the Torah. HE is the LIVING WORD, the Aleph and Tav. All things exist for HIM and through HIM.

In John 3:14-15 ....whoever believes in HIM may have Eteral Life. Eph.2:4-18.....it is by GRACE that you are saved....



Jeremiah 32:40
Luke 22:20


Romans 14:1-23

Yes, too simple for 'scholars'.
There are little ones, (any years old), who know and love Yahshua,
who don't know even how to read(and don't know their right hand from their left). Yahshua's Love overflows from Yhwh through there shining lives and shining eyes in the midst of physically painful troubles.
While 'scholars' world-wide, (and world travelers),
memorize the Book forward and backword, or studies there-of, yet not loving Yahshua, they crush the little ones whom Yahshua Loves. Woe to the scholars
who hurt the little ones or take the light out of their eyes.
Woe to anyone who participates in pharmakea which deceives the whole world.
Blessed is everyone who loves the truth with their whole life.

Hi,

It was written on their hearts, as Yahwah clearly spoke in Dabarim (Deut) 30. They hardened their hhearts to it though, but it was there none-the-less.....and it was not just the 10 commandments that are written on our hearts.....it is much deeper than that.

The Pauline message utterly rejects the requirement of proving our faith by our works (of obedience).

However, the messiah is clear on this subject, as he is in 100% accord with the Father....who is also 100% clear on the need for thorah obedience.

Shamayon

We do not have to read to hear the thorah, and for our heart to hear the thorah that is written on them.......all we need is a submissive heart that loves our father more than ourselves.

Praise Yahwah that we have His thorah.....that we have a concrete barometer that shows where our heart really is......and that shows what true love really is.

Shamayon

"Vatican bans the use of the Divine Name in Catholic Churches"

"The following news articles is proof that the world is rapidly moving to a One World Religion with the Noahide Laws (as Jewish Talmudists interpret them) are enforced globally in order to unite peoples with one basic creed "generally" acceptable to most. Also see: BEWARE OF THE NOAHIDE LAWS and Ban on the Pronunciation of The-Name for more information on this alarming development."

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Vatican bars use of `Yahweh' in Catholic churches
-- Francis X. Rocca
VATICAN CITY (RNS) Catholics at worship should neither sing nor pronounce the name of God as "Yahweh," the Vatican has said, citing the authority of both Jewish and Christian practice.

The instruction came in a June 29 letter to Catholic bishops conferences around the world from the Vatican's top liturgical body, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments, by an explicit "directive" of Pope Benedict XVI.

"In recent years the practice has crept in of pronouncing the God of Israel's proper name," the letter noted, referring to the four-consonant Hebrew "Tetragrammaton," YHWH.

That name is commonly pronounced as "Yahweh," though other versions include "Jaweh" and "Yehovah." But such pronunciation violates long-standing Jewish tradition, the Vatican reminded bishops.

"As an expression of the infinite greatness and majesty of God, (the name) was held to be unpronounceable and hence was replaced during the reading of sacred Scripture by means of the use of an alternate name: `Adonai,' which means `Lord,"' the Congregation said.

That practice continued with Christianity, the letter explained, recalling the "church's tradition, from the beginning, that the sacred Tetragrammaton was never pronounced in the Christian context nor translated into any of the languages into which the Bible was translated."

Invoking a Vatican document from 2001, the Congregation reminded bishops that the name "Yahweh" in Catholic worship should be replaced by the Latin "Dominus" (Lord) or a word "equivalent in meaning" in the local language.

The Vatican's move will require changes in a number of hymns and prayers currently used in American churches, but not to the Mass itself, said the U.S. bishops' top liturgical official.

Catholic News Service quoted an Aug. 8 letter from Bishop Arthur J. Serratelli of Paterson, N.J., chairman of the U.S. bishops' Committee on Divine Worship, informing American prelates of the policy.

The Vatican's instruction, Serratelli wrote, would serve as "an encouragement to show reverence for the name of God in daily life, emphasizing the power of language as an act of devotion and worship."
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http://jewsandjoes.com/blog/vatican-bans-the-use-of-the-divine-name-yhvh-yahweh-yehovah-in-catholic-churches/,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

The Ban on the Divine Name
by Nehemia Gordon<<<<<< <<<<<<< <<<<<<< <<<<<<< <<<<<<< <<<<<<< <<
"One of the maladies of modern Judaism is the strict prohibition against uttering the name of the Creator. The modern Rabbinic law code Mishnah Berurah explains:,,,,,,,,,
'It is forbidden to read the glorious and terrible name as it is written, as the sages said "He that pronounces the name as it is written has no portion in the world to come". Therefore it must be read as if it were written Adonai.'(Mishnah Berurah 5:2) ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
This is hardly a modern innovation. It appears already in the early 3rd century CE in the Mishnah tractate of Sanhedrin:,,,,,,,,,'The following have no portion in the world to come:... Abba Saul says: Also one who pronounces the divine name as it is written." (Mishnah Sanhedrin10:1),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
It would be a mistake to assume this absolute prohibition concerning the name goes back to Biblical times. The Talmud itself reports how the ban started:,,,,,,,,,
'The [Seleucid] Greeks decreed that the name of God may not be spoken aloud; but when the Hasmoneans grew in strength and defeated them they decreed that the name of God be used even in contracts... when the Rabbis heard about this they said,'Tomorrow this person will pay his debt and the contract will be thrown on a garbage heap' so they forbade its use in contracts." (Babylonian Talmud, Rosh Hashannah 18b),,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
"We see that the prohibition to use the name of YHWH began as one of the anti-Torah decrees enacted by the Seleucid Greek tyrant Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 168 BCE. This was part of Antiochus IV's policy of Hellenizing the Jews, that is, turning them into Greeks. The same decree included a ban on circumcision and Sabbath and a requirement that every Jew partake in the pig-sacrifices to Zeus and Apollo. ,,,,,,," "The Hasmoneans, under the leadership Judah Maccabee, eventually defeated the Greeks and re-dedicated the Temple on the first Chanukah in 165 BCE. According to the Talmud, the Hasmoneans annulled the anti-Torah decrees of the Greeks. Not only did the Hasmoneans restore the use of the name of YHWH, but they enacted a law of their own requiring the use of the name of YHWH in contracts so that every Jew would regain the habit of using the divine name. But the Rabbis were opposed to this Hasmoneans decree and banned the use of the name in contracts.
This was not the first time the Rabbis opposed the Hasmoneans. After Judah the Maccabee died the Hasmoneans continued to rule Judea until 37 BCE serving as both kings and high priests. The early Hasmonean rulers were all Sadducees and therefore the Rabbis opposed them.1 The Sadducees are best known for their denial of the Resurrection but this was only the opinion of one faction of Sadducees who gained predominance in late Second Temple times. The main difference between the early Sadducees and the Pharisees was concerning the question of the Oral Torah.,,,,,," http://chronosynchro.net/pdf/yhwh1.pdf

(CONT'D("What I would now explain is this, that the Pharisees have delivered to the people a great many observances by succession from their fathers, which are not written in the laws of Moses; and for that reason it is that the Sadducees reject them, and say that we are to esteem those observances to be obligatory which are in the written word, but are not to observe what are derived from the tradition of our forefathers." (Josephus Flavius, Antiquities of the Jews 13.10.6 [Whiston Translation]).
The Hasmonean Sadducees, loyal to written Scripture, used the name of YHWH and as we have already seen they even required the name to be used in every contract in order to erase any trace of the Greek ban on the name. But the Pharisees opposed the Sadducees at every turn and banned the use of the name in contracts. The Pharisees were not the only ones to ban the use of the name. The Historian Josephus Flavius, who lived at the time of the destruction of the Temple in 70 CE,reports that there were three main groups in Second Temple Judaism: the Pharisees,the Sadducees and the Essenes. The Essenes were the group that wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls found in the area of Qumran. The Essene's had a rigid community which has often been compared to a modern monastic order. To become an Essene required going through various stages of initiation which lasted several years. Violation of Essene law could result in temporary or permanent banishment from the community depending on the severity of the crime. The central document of the Essene community was a book called "Rule of the Community" and as its name implies it defines the various stages of initiation and rules of the members of different ranks. The Rule of the Community includes a prohibition against using the name of YHWH:,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
"Anyone who speaks aloud the M[ost] Holy Name of God, [whether in... ] or in cursing or as a blurt in time of trial or for any other reason, or while he is reading a book or praying, is to be expelled, never again to return to the body of the community." (1QS 6:27-7:2)

I find this information stunning as the hiding of The Creator's Name is, to me, the epitome of lawlessness, and that this knowledge has not been made common knowledge even more stunning, I often wondered about John 17:6, Now it adds up

“I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world;,,"

Likewise,
although there is only One Name under Heaven given among men by which they may be healed/saved,
yet
without argument there is another name that is not even a name
that many multitudes are trained and taught and by example shown to call upon INSTEAD OF YAHSHUA
and
are led into many many many errors thereby and NOT into TRUTH.