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#112817 - 03/22/11 10:06 PM Passover
manfromshiloh Offline


Registered: 03/21/11
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Is anybody here going to keep Passover according ot the law of Moses? I'd like to.

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#112822 - 03/24/11 03:10 PM Re: Passover [Re: manfromshiloh]
yonah1 Offline


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I do. Except for killing the animal.


Edited by yonah1 (03/24/11 03:11 PM)
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#112829 - 04/02/11 08:59 PM Re: Passover [Re: yonah1]
revrich Offline


Registered: 03/14/11
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According to the Torah the only place we can sacrifice an animal is at the Temple in Jeu. Our sacrifice must be in the place where God has put his name.
There are many good sites that teach us what to do for passover and almost all Massinac congerations have an open seeder for Passover. Check your local area for a place to go. Learn to do it the right way and next year you can get some of your fellow believers over to join you. We are having our own for the first time this year. God Bless to all of you and stay in there.

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#112833 - 04/05/11 07:26 PM Re: Passover [Re: revrich]
yonah1 Offline


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Exodus 12:

8 "That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast."

11 "This is how you are to eat it: with your cloak tucked into your belt, your sandals on your feet and your staff in your hand. Eat it in haste; it is Yahweh's Passover."

14 典his is a day you are to commemorate; for the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a festival to Yahweh預 lasting ordinance. 15 For seven days you are to eat bread made without yeast. On the first day remove the yeast from your houses, for whoever eats anything with yeast in it from the first day through the seventh must be cut off from Israel. 16 On the first day hold a sacred assembly..."

I am coming to the conclusion that there is some confusion regarding Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread for in Lev 23 it states that on the 15th day we are to eat unleavened bread for 7 days. But the Passover was also to be eaten with unleavened bread. That makes 8 days.

So we have a day that is to be commemorated
with no bread with yeast for 7 days buuuuutttt


Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month [is] the feast of unleavened bread unto Yahweh: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

Exodus 12:18
In the first month you are to eat bread made without yeast, from the evening of the fourteenth day until the evening of the twenty-first day.

14,15,16,17,18,19,20

Note that it does not say until the twenty-second day

So I guess the confusion is whether Passover is the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread?

How is Passover to be commemorated?
How did HaMashiach commemorate it?
And aside from the Sabbath and no bread with yeast -
what else are we to be doing that is out of the ordinary? Or is this "feast" to be a kind of an atonement festival where we're on bread and water for 7 days?


Mark 14:22-23 While they were eating, Yeshua took bread,.... Then he took a cup.......

What were they eating? (It probably wasn't fried chicken.)

Luke 22:15
And he said to them, 的 have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer."








Edited by yonah1 (04/06/11 10:55 AM)
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#112835 - 04/06/11 03:26 PM Re: Passover [Re: yonah1]
revrich Offline


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This is going to take a lot of typing. Passover and Unleaven bread total eight days as does the Feast of Booths. They are the only 8 day feast of of the people. The Passover Lamb was slain at twilight or dusk and according to most sages this is anytime after 3:00PM. (Remember they didn't have daylight saving time) Yeshua died on the cross at 3:00PM just like the lambs for the passover meal did. We have confusion in the Brit because it says that Yeshua ate the Passover with his deciples and yet the next day was the day of preperation for the Jews and they couldn't go into the Romans else they would be unclean for the feast. This is because Yeshua did Passover on the 14th and the Pharsies had changed it to the 15th as the first day of unleaven bread and Passover combined was day one of the feast for them. Remember that Yeshua told them that thier problem was that they didn't follow the teachings of Moshe. This was one of those times. Most people ate the Passover meal just before sundown on the 14th and starter the Feast of Unleaver Bread after Sunset. Hence 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21st. It is also believed that John the Baptist was born the day of Passover and Circumcisied the last day of Unleaven Bread, His 8th Day. Yeshua was born the first day of Tabernacles and circumcisied the 8th or last day. They were 6 mounths apart as are the Feast of Passover and the Feast of Booths.

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#112836 - 04/06/11 08:11 PM Re: Passover [Re: revrich]
yonah1 Offline


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Originally Posted By: revrich
This is going to take a lot of typing.


I hope you're not finished.
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#112837 - 04/06/11 10:28 PM Re: Passover [Re: yonah1]
revrich Offline


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Yea I am for now. I gave your the short teaching because I have a teaching to prepare for Friday and my congeration comes first. They don't pay me because I am like Paul, I teach for free. I always figured that if they don't pay me they cant fire me and everyone loves getting anything for free. I so love to teach YHVH's word to eager listners.

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#112854 - 04/12/11 11:13 AM Re: Passover [Re: yonah1]
yonah1 Offline


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Originally Posted By: yonah1


How is Passover to be commemorated?

How did HaMashiach commemorate it?

And aside from the Sabbath and no bread with yeast -
what else are we to be doing that is out of the ordinary?

Or is this "feast" to be a kind of an atonement festival where we're on bread and water for 7 days?


Still looking for answers
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John 17:6

的 have revealed your name to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word."


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#112857 - 04/14/11 10:39 AM Re: Passover [Re: yonah1]
revrich Offline


Registered: 03/14/11
Posts: 22
Originally Posted By: yonah1
Originally Posted By: yonah1


How is Passover to be commemorated?

How did HaMashiach commemorate it?

And aside from the Sabbath and no bread with yeast -
what else are we to be doing that is out of the ordinary?

Or is this "feast" to be a kind of an atonement festival where we're on bread and water for 7 days?


Still looking for answers


We are to commemorate Passover with the Passover seeder on the eve of the 14 of Avib (this year the 17th of April), The Seeder plate is to have an unbroken leg bone of the lamb (we use the leg bone of a turkey like most do who can't find a lamb bone), Parsley, Romain Leaves, fresh sliced Horseradish,(shreaded is much to strong and store bought has leaven products in it most times)a mixture of raisans and apples chopped together to repersent the mud mixture that we used for making bricks in Egypt and a bowl of salt water to repersent the tears we shed in slavery. (Dip each item in the tears) We eat from this plate as we recount the story of the slavery and rescue from Egypt. This is eaten with unleaven bread (3 cups flour, 1/3 cup olive oil, 1tsp salt and 1 cup water. Kneed together and roll out and bake or grill. (This is really good but if you eat to much and are not use to it it is very binding) Each portion eaten is to be about the size of an olive.

Yeshua commemorated Passover just like Moses said to do it. At the last "Supper" he added the cup and bread to represent His broken body and His Blood of the re-newed coventnent.

We are to start the Feast of Unleaven Bread on the eve of the 15th (April 18) and observe this day as a High Shabbot. So we have Sabbath on the 13th, Passover on the 14th, and the Feast of Unleaven combined with a High Sabbath on the 15th. So prep on sunday day for the Passover and the High Sabbath that follows. Just don't eat yeast breads or rolls for the next 6 days and do Sabbath on it reagular day. the 21st.At the close of Shabbot we have the Feast of First Fruits with the Wave Offering but I dont have Barley to wave at theis time of year. I have snow still in the back yard.

You can eat anything you want as long as it containes no Yeast. We have beef brisket for fresh veggies and cooked whole wheat berries instead of rice or potatoesfor Passover dinner. We are having cold slice smoked chicken for the High shabbot.

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#112858 - 04/14/11 05:22 PM Re: Passover [Re: revrich]
yonah1 Offline


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A turkey leg?
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的 have revealed your name to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word."


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#112859 - 04/14/11 06:22 PM Re: Passover [Re: yonah1]
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Yes, a Turkey Leg. Or any leg bone. If you can find a leg shank bone from a butcher shop that does lamb then you can use it this year and freeze it for next year. The leg bone repersents the lamb with no broken bones. Remember they roasted the animal skined only with all the inards still in side.

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#112862 - 04/16/11 07:16 AM Re: Passover [Re: revrich]
yonah1 Offline


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I wonder what roasting "et al" symbolized. And even not a broken bone.

Interesting article here

PASSOVER UNDERSTANDINGS - TYPOLOGY OF THE LAMB
(SAMENESS and NOT THE SAME)

http://www.keithhunt.com/passover5.html



Edited by yonah1 (04/16/11 07:19 AM)
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John 17:6

的 have revealed your name to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word."


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#112863 - 04/16/11 04:20 PM Re: Passover [Re: revrich]
Darryl A Pifer Offline


Registered: 01/24/09
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Where does one find requirements for a Passover seder in the scriptures? I haven't read about a leg bone, horseradish, parsley, romaine, raisins, etc. in the Torah. Where do these traditions come from? It sounds like someone is adding to the scriptures to me.

Also, from my study, it is a mistake to consider Passover as a day. The Passover was the sacrifice; it wasn't a day like the first day of the feast of unleavened bread is a day. This distinction makes a big difference in how the scriptures are read.

Additionally, it was mentioned how Yeshua said, "With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer." (Luke 22:15) The word translated 'desire' is interesting -- it means "longing, desire for what is forbidden." In the next verse, Yeshua says he wouldn't eat the Passover until it was fulfilled in the Kingdom of God. He seems to be saying that he really wanted to eat the Passover with the disciples but knew he wouldn't get to do so. He really wished for the cup to pass from him, too (Matt 26), but submitted to his Father's will.

Each individual must study and determine what is the Father's will and then act upon his/her convictions. Traditions of men should not be taught as the commandments of God (the stipulations for a 'seder' are rooted in Pharisaical Judaism, otherwise known as Rabbinical Judaism, not based upon the scriptures).

dp

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#112865 - 04/17/11 07:04 AM Re: Passover [Re: Darryl A Pifer]
yonah1 Offline


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Originally Posted By: Darryl A Pifer
Where does one find requirements for a Passover seder in the scriptures? I haven't read about a leg bone, horseradish, parsley, romaine, raisins, etc. in the Torah. Where do these traditions come from? It sounds like someone is adding to the scriptures to me.


Well I didn't want to say it, but......and wine from grapes only?
I'm doing pomegranate-non-alcohol.

Exodus 12:8
"That same night they are to eat the meat roasted over the fire, along with bitter herbs, and bread made without yeast."

Numbers 9:11
"they are to do it on the fourteenth day of the second month at twilight. They are to eat the lamb, together with unleavened bread and bitter herbs."

And that is this afternoon April 17 at twilight
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John 17:6

的 have revealed your name to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word."


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#112868 - 04/18/11 10:41 PM Re: Passover [Re: yonah1]
revrich Offline


Registered: 03/14/11
Posts: 22
If you go to www.bondservantministries.net you can download a step by step Passover instruction for next year.

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