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#112396 - 07/26/10 10:05 PM amish style Messianic community/farm?
The Wellers Offline


Registered: 07/26/10
Posts: 2
Loc: Oklahoma-Kentucky
Is anyone interested in starting an Amish style messianic community/ farm? My husband and I are tired of chasing our tails in this family destroying system we work in. We would love to be able to celebrate Yah’s feast days, but getting off work is almost never permitted. We would love to have a piece of land where we can raise food, livestock, home school our future children…etc. We are not wealthy my husband is a driver for a beverage company and I teach at a “Christian” school. The idea of servants of Yah dwelling together is a great one!!! We would even be willing to work for our room and board, anything to get out of this system. I was in tears today over the fact that we can’t celebrate Sukkot due to work schedules. We don’t know what to do..other than pray that Yah will show us a way! Does anyone else here have the same dream as us?




















Ezekiel 11:17 “Therefore say, ‘Thus said the Master יהוה, “And I shall gather you from the peoples, and I shall assemble you from the lands where you have been scattered, and I shall give you the land of Yisra’ĕl.”

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#112402 - 07/31/10 09:35 AM Re: amish style Messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
yeshuaslave Offline


Registered: 10/26/04
Posts: 93
Loc: tulsa
In oklahoma, even the 'G_dly' farmers have been seduced by /greed/government/need/other ? = a lot of them have switched from G+dly crops(natural, healthy, 'vintage') to
the
ungodly genetically adulterated crops
manufactured by hasatan through monsanto.
This
surprised me that mennonite/amish farmers would do so.
One of
them told me that he/they did it because the government won't subsidize the normal food crops, only the pernicious ones.
That said,
perhaps it is not 'amish style' as a good example,
albeit it is understood from the past way things looked.
...
Yes, a righteous simple community of saints would be a welcome oasis of life in this country....
Keeping Shabbat has been a long coming process in grace...
I turned down work/jobs that required any work on Shabbat,
starting about 12 years ago when a big popular 'ministry' that I had a contract with
announced totally unexpectedly (and btw shortly after a real witch visited for a few moments)
that ALL of the participants in the ministry (cornerstone in tulsa)
would have to work on Shabbat.
Some/several members immediately confronted the leader first asked him if he knew about this,
then told him that if it stood they couldn't stay.
The leader of cornerstone said not only did he know about it, it was his idea!(another sudden unexpected surprise) and would not change...
So right then and there several 'long time' members in good standing (until then) left immediately. (this included those he had said in the past were 'holding him accountable to Yhvh's Word' ,,, ,,, no one thereafter did/could hold him accountable because he constantly refused to accept or listen to any possible correction in Yhvh's Grace from Yhvh's people).
...
Crippling economy resulted - house, truck, job were all lost as a result of the unfaithfulness of cornerstone.
Yet,
Yhvh Always Faithful, Yhvh had warned me and my children not to work for/with or deal with this place early on - I had refused His voice thinking in myself 'let's see what G_d does' with a shrug of my shoulders like 'what can I do anyway?'...
Well, I found out then and after 'what Yhvh does'...
HE does not brook(condone,allow, wink at) disobedience but is strict in disciplining His children (when and where and how He Chooses)...
..
Since then, Keeping Shabbat has been 'easy' - no thought given ever to breaking Shabbat no matter what it costs, whether job or family or house or vehicle or anything at all.
Yes, it is well to Keep Shabbat as Yhvh prepared the way.
..
Parenthetically/Historically(for me) , it was over 14 years after I read the Scriptrues and saw clearly (because after all it is in english very clear and simple) that Shabbat never changed (only the enemy hasatan through man's religion did alter the days and the commandments for the religious)
.. it was over 14 years before I even thought of looking for a Shabbat keeper - a disciple of Yahshua who obeys the Master... so far was I in life and practice and upbringing from Yhvh's Way, from Yhvh's Word (I was raised a 'perfect' lutheran, might have been a lutheran pastor, was a straight a student back when an a was hard to get, and was a 'pillar' in the 'christian' and in the 'secular/business' community - but all for naught, as Yhvh is NO RESPECTOR OF PERSONS; and all of the 'rightness' and 'goodness' before man is worthless and less than worthless for saving any one....
..
but I digress... after decades of "knowing" that Shabbat was unchanging and unchanged, of "knowing" that all who would live in Yahshua simply obediently joyfully keep and honor and recognise Shabbat,
finally I am able to say with confidence that YES!!! YHVH PROVIDES A WAY
and
if it doesn't look like it,
if everything is lost because of Obeying Yhvh,
IT IS MORE THAN WORTH IT ! YHVH IS LIFE! HONOR HIM! LIVE FOREVER!
...
I have great joy telling of Yhvh's Faithfulness and man's failure.
If I mis-spoke I don't know it and replying without going over it else I might edit it to death.
...
Today, Shabbat Shalom in Yah-Shua by Yah's Grace !
_________________________
"...suffer persecution so
that, perhaps, take part in
resurrection..." Paul's letter

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#112445 - 08/22/10 07:12 AM Re: amish style Messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
Felix Moreno Offline


Registered: 08/07/10
Posts: 3
I don't know what situation your in as far as finances, but for us were behind on everything. Nevertheless Yah has been sustaining us. I had an employer who dismissed me because of my beliefs. I took the case to the EEOC they found in my favor & the employer not only rehired me but gave me a check for $250.00 for lost wages. The law protects your right to worship freely except in extenuating circumstances in which THE EMPLOYER HAS TO PROVE like placing an " undue hardship " on the employer with your abscence. In my opinion you have a case. The rest is up to you. You are in my prayers.

Shalom Felix & Bertha Moreno

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#112446 - 08/22/10 03:23 PM Re: amish style Messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
matzos Offline


Registered: 08/22/10
Posts: 4
Let me preface this by saying I not familiar with these message boards. This is the second time I've posted on a message board..... I'm not fond of computers and don't work with them. I stumbled here.... actually, I'm not sure how..... so if I make errors I preemptively ask for your forgiveness.

Ok, in regards to the Amish-style farm, I will hold you in my prayers. My family were farmers here (America) since the 1680's. I'm the first one not to hold a farm, although I do a bit of goat-raising and gardening. So, your situation is more poignant to me. I do pray you get a farm....

Now, from a practical point, I work alongside Amish daily. I am in a peculiar situation and this is allowed. Growing up rural and on a farm, I can tell you, the reality is much different than the ideal and the learning curve is more than some can handle. I've seen others who have actually tried and, sadly, failed. There are many factors and this is a subject which I have much studied. If this is something you are serious about-- and you should be as this is the Ark in Yahushua-- I would encourage you to look at other models. Practical models and logistics of other farming communities like the Hutterites, Primitive Mennonites, and Primitive Quakers.

There are also other Christian farming communities that have started up in the last 40 years, that will have practical experience in farming survival. Other factors to look at are regulations, codes, zoning, and there are dramatic differences between states. That's why you are seeing an Amish migration right now. These older communities, Amish and Hutterites, study this before relocating. The Amish that I work with, even in our area which has less regulations, are being harassed. Regulations are not used for the betterment of the environment, they are used to eliminate economic competitors-- and agribusiness is using these regulations to squelch community farms.

Most importantly, you need to look at water. If you have water on your property, it is not necessarily yours. You must know the regulations on buying feed or selling products-- different from state to state or from enforcing agents. This is before you are even to the point of putting a hoof on the ground or a seed in it, much less generating a product.

You have to consider energy, technology. The technology used by the Amish is probably the most environmentally friendly of any, but it would take someone new years of learning to master it. Plus, it comes at a cost-- physical cost to both animals and humans.

Some of the Amish are open to the idea of helping. As I understand, so are some Hutterites and Mennonites-- and that's what a community would need. Anyway, there is so much more to this, so very much more.

The best way to do it, after saying all this, is just start. Right where you are. Seek first..... If you ever want to know how you lose land, that I can tell you....

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#112449 - 08/25/10 09:41 AM Re: amish style Messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
Rob and Jen Offline


Registered: 08/24/10
Posts: 1
My wife, I and our 4 children have the same dream and have been discussing just how to make that happen! We are going to look for a piece of land somewhere, wherever we are led. We want to be self-sufficient and not work for creature comforts, but simply to provide for our family and the community.

I know it would be really hard in this day and time, but I think it is possible!

Where exactly in Kentucky are you guys>?

Shalom!!!

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#112457 - 08/28/10 09:10 PM Re: amish style Messianic community/farm? [Re: Rob and Jen]
Ben and Pamela Offline


Registered: 08/28/10
Posts: 2
We have a large plot in Southern Tennessee, which we recently purchased to help foster the vision of a community like you describe. Feel free to contact us as HomeShalom@messilife.com.

Ben and Pamela.


Edited by Ben and Pamela (08/28/10 09:14 PM)

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#112458 - 08/28/10 09:11 PM Re: amish style Messianic community/farm? [Re: The Wellers]
Ben and Pamela Offline


Registered: 08/28/10
Posts: 2
We have a large plot in Southern Tennessee, which we recently purchased to help foster the vision of a community like you describe. Feel free to contact us as HomeShalom@messilife.com.

Ben and Pamela.


Edited by Ben and Pamela (08/28/10 09:13 PM)

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