Is anyone interested in starting an Amish style messianic community/ farm? My husband and I are tired of chasing our tails in this family destroying system we work in. We would love to be able to celebrate Yah’s feast days, but getting off work is almost never permitted. We would love to have a piece of land where we can raise food, livestock, home school our future children…etc. We are not wealthy my husband is a driver for a beverage company and I teach at a “Christian” school. The idea of servants of Yah dwelling together is a great one!!! We would even be willing to work for our room and board, anything to get out of this system. I was in tears today over the fact that we can’t celebrate Sukkot due to work schedules. We don’t know what to do..other than pray that Yah will show us a way! Does anyone else here have the same dream as us?




















Ezekiel 11:17 “Therefore say, ‘Thus said the Master יהוה, “And I shall gather you from the peoples, and I shall assemble you from the lands where you have been scattered, and I shall give you the land of Yisra’ĕl.”

In oklahoma, even the 'G_dly' farmers have been seduced by /greed/government/need/other ? = a lot of them have switched from G+dly crops(natural, healthy, 'vintage') to
the
ungodly genetically adulterated crops
manufactured by hasatan through monsanto.
This
surprised me that mennonite/amish farmers would do so.
One of
them told me that he/they did it because the government won't subsidize the normal food crops, only the pernicious ones.
That said,
perhaps it is not 'amish style' as a good example,
albeit it is understood from the past way things looked.
...
Yes, a righteous simple community of saints would be a welcome oasis of life in this country....
Keeping Shabbat has been a long coming process in grace...
I turned down work/jobs that required any work on Shabbat,
starting about 12 years ago when a big popular 'ministry' that I had a contract with
announced totally unexpectedly (and btw shortly after a real witch visited for a few moments)
that ALL of the participants in the ministry (cornerstone in tulsa)
would have to work on Shabbat.
Some/several members immediately confronted the leader first asked him if he knew about this,
then told him that if it stood they couldn't stay.
The leader of cornerstone said not only did he know about it, it was his idea!(another sudden unexpected surprise) and would not change...
So right then and there several 'long time' members in good standing (until then) left immediately. (this included those he had said in the past were 'holding him accountable to Yhvh's Word' ,,, ,,, no one thereafter did/could hold him accountable because he constantly refused to accept or listen to any possible correction in Yhvh's Grace from Yhvh's people).
...
Crippling economy resulted - house, truck, job were all lost as a result of the unfaithfulness of cornerstone.
Yet,
Yhvh Always Faithful, Yhvh had warned me and my children not to work for/with or deal with this place early on - I had refused His voice thinking in myself 'let's see what G_d does' with a shrug of my shoulders like 'what can I do anyway?'...
Well, I found out then and after 'what Yhvh does'...
HE does not brook(condone,allow, wink at) disobedience but is strict in disciplining His children (when and where and how He Chooses)...
..
Since then, Keeping Shabbat has been 'easy' - no thought given ever to breaking Shabbat no matter what it costs, whether job or family or house or vehicle or anything at all.
Yes, it is well to Keep Shabbat as Yhvh prepared the way.
..
Parenthetically/Historically(for me) , it was over 14 years after I read the Scriptrues and saw clearly (because after all it is in english very clear and simple) that Shabbat never changed (only the enemy hasatan through man's religion did alter the days and the commandments for the religious)
.. it was over 14 years before I even thought of looking for a Shabbat keeper - a disciple of Yahshua who obeys the Master... so far was I in life and practice and upbringing from Yhvh's Way, from Yhvh's Word (I was raised a 'perfect' lutheran, might have been a lutheran pastor, was a straight a student back when an a was hard to get, and was a 'pillar' in the 'christian' and in the 'secular/business' community - but all for naught, as Yhvh is NO RESPECTOR OF PERSONS; and all of the 'rightness' and 'goodness' before man is worthless and less than worthless for saving any one....
..
but I digress... after decades of "knowing" that Shabbat was unchanging and unchanged, of "knowing" that all who would live in Yahshua simply obediently joyfully keep and honor and recognise Shabbat,
finally I am able to say with confidence that YES!!! YHVH PROVIDES A WAY
and
if it doesn't look like it,
if everything is lost because of Obeying Yhvh,
IT IS MORE THAN WORTH IT ! YHVH IS LIFE! HONOR HIM! LIVE FOREVER!
...
I have great joy telling of Yhvh's Faithfulness and man's failure.
If I mis-spoke I don't know it and replying without going over it else I might edit it to death.
...
Today, Shabbat Shalom in Yah-Shua by Yah's Grace !

I don't know what situation your in as far as finances, but for us were behind on everything. Nevertheless Yah has been sustaining us. I had an employer who dismissed me because of my beliefs. I took the case to the EEOC they found in my favor & the employer not only rehired me but gave me a check for $250.00 for lost wages. The law protects your right to worship freely except in extenuating circumstances in which THE EMPLOYER HAS TO PROVE like placing an " undue hardship " on the employer with your abscence. In my opinion you have a case. The rest is up to you. You are in my prayers.

Shalom Felix & Bertha Moreno

Let me preface this by saying I not familiar with these message boards. This is the second time I've posted on a message board..... I'm not fond of computers and don't work with them. I stumbled here.... actually, I'm not sure how..... so if I make errors I preemptively ask for your forgiveness.

Ok, in regards to the Amish-style farm, I will hold you in my prayers. My family were farmers here (America) since the 1680's. I'm the first one not to hold a farm, although I do a bit of goat-raising and gardening. So, your situation is more poignant to me. I do pray you get a farm....

Now, from a practical point, I work alongside Amish daily. I am in a peculiar situation and this is allowed. Growing up rural and on a farm, I can tell you, the reality is much different than the ideal and the learning curve is more than some can handle. I've seen others who have actually tried and, sadly, failed. There are many factors and this is a subject which I have much studied. If this is something you are serious about-- and you should be as this is the Ark in Yahushua-- I would encourage you to look at other models. Practical models and logistics of other farming communities like the Hutterites, Primitive Mennonites, and Primitive Quakers.

There are also other Christian farming communities that have started up in the last 40 years, that will have practical experience in farming survival. Other factors to look at are regulations, codes, zoning, and there are dramatic differences between states. That's why you are seeing an Amish migration right now. These older communities, Amish and Hutterites, study this before relocating. The Amish that I work with, even in our area which has less regulations, are being harassed. Regulations are not used for the betterment of the environment, they are used to eliminate economic competitors-- and agribusiness is using these regulations to squelch community farms.

Most importantly, you need to look at water. If you have water on your property, it is not necessarily yours. You must know the regulations on buying feed or selling products-- different from state to state or from enforcing agents. This is before you are even to the point of putting a hoof on the ground or a seed in it, much less generating a product.

You have to consider energy, technology. The technology used by the Amish is probably the most environmentally friendly of any, but it would take someone new years of learning to master it. Plus, it comes at a cost-- physical cost to both animals and humans.

Some of the Amish are open to the idea of helping. As I understand, so are some Hutterites and Mennonites-- and that's what a community would need. Anyway, there is so much more to this, so very much more.

The best way to do it, after saying all this, is just start. Right where you are. Seek first..... If you ever want to know how you lose land, that I can tell you....

We have a large plot in Southern Tennessee, which we recently purchased to help foster the vision of a community like you describe. Feel free to contact us as HomeShalom@messilife.com.

Ben and Pamela.

We have a large plot in Southern Tennessee, which we recently purchased to help foster the vision of a community like you describe. Feel free to contact us as HomeShalom@messilife.com.

Ben and Pamela.

And not only that but they even go by Yahweh's name!

I remember one a few years ago where most of the men changed their last name legally to that of the leader. Some place in Oklahoma I think.

Seems we all want to be as the original New Testament Christians. I want the same, not willing to go total utopia commune. Let us combine our resources. I ain't rich either. I can offer excellent opportunity to enter work in a veterinarian field or even set up a grooming business with training. Now that's the hard part. Are we for YHVH and Yeshua. I am married to a wonderful non Messianic wife, we have 4 Acres with a 4 Bedroom DW mobile home in S MS. We never get more than a foot of snow every 8 years. Yeah, we do slow things down around here, but is that a bad thing. There is a not lot of potential here for high paying jobs or anywhere else. First we must all be willing to live under Moral Law as defined in the TORAH. Of course without the curse of the law. I believe we are all Priest in training. Can we do it? We must overcome our differences to enter into the Kingdom of YHVH. I am willing to bring in 2 single individuals or 1 married couple with no more than 2 young children. The reason is because 2 bedrooms are full of useless junk. OK it's not useless, but not it ain't being used. The way I see it, we are the family of YHVH. We all will work. No sleeping until 11 AM unless you got to bed around 6 AM. That is ridiculous I know, but there are people who claim they can't function 'til around that time. Bad thing about that is they are the same ones that go to bed before you. I make excellent Challah Bread. But Due to my occupation I am gone a lot. I do have elderly parents that need care, though they say otherwise. Contact me if you are serious. This community has a lot of potential for a Messianic Christian Group without an Agenda of extra baggage from previous religions. Drop the religious baggage if your are interested. You can contact me at:
stevpace@bellsouth.net we can start there.

I would like to set up a Messianic Christian group here or anywhere else.

Shalom

Amen to that,
I live in Upstate ny, and I am tired of struggling to get ahead.It would be wonderful to start a Messianic community of true believers that could live together, work together and be self sufficient.We are coming to the end of the church age, where the Father is turning his attentions to Israel and the sons & daughters of Israel.I for one am fatigued with the luke warm ways of the mainstream Church and our techno secular society.
Count me In,
Dave Moscowitz
Rohester NY


When the son of man returns will he find faith on the earth?

Brothers&Sisters,
My perspective on a community hierarchy like the Wellers propose ,is that there should be a board of Governers, who would be elected(or chosen), by the main body of believers based on education,expierience, and spiritual wisdom.The Torah and new testament scriptures give a pretty definative outline on how believers are to live and conduct themselves.
The main issues to a believer society such as this one, would be how to become self sufficient, and what part each member would play in this community as well as personal property within the community.Everyone is gifted obviously with certain talents that they would contribute, but this endeavor would need to be well planned out.There should be a definate agenda to educate the members on the Jewish feasts and the Lunar calendar, because that is Yeshua's true end time revelation concerning the Jewish revival.


dmoscow1@frontier.com

It would have been great if Yahweh's people bought a Hotel like a Best western....everyone would have their space, there would be a community dinning room, swimming pool for Baptisms, a large laundry area and then have a community garden/farm....but I'm sure they don't come cheap...it was just a neat thought.
My husband and I were looking at frugal Yurts as well....some people are doing community living in cabins and yurts and they are not even believers???

Just some more thoughts!
Shalom

"Foreigners" seem to have their act together - 3 to 5 of them live in one house, splitting the mortgage and all the bills ...
ends up costing them each $125 per month, plus food and car expenses.
...
that's $125.00 one hundred twenty five dollars and zero cents.
that covers their part of the monthly rent and electric and gas and water bills. (don't know about insurance, don't care for now)...
...
they each work different places, and their wives/children are included in the house but don't have to pay extra .
...

Hello Wellers:

Keep searching and praying and you will find your place.
We have been building our outpost for 24 years now. We
are totally dependent on Yahweh for are needs and have not
been disappointed. It is true faith building when you
step out and faith and put your feet into the waters and
cross over the Jordon into the promised land.

Munsens
Colfax, La 71417

Until I have the grace and opportunity to post more, I urge you to walk in humility and go slow.

As the blessings acumulate, do not over-interpret them as a statement of divine endorsement of everyhting you are saying and doing. PLEASE, PLEASE walk in humility. Changes must come slowly, so start now.

One defunct commune in The Names had developed a strict doctrine against laughter, even though laughter is one of the promises extended to the oppressed. PLEASE, PLEASE keep your sense of humor, and be willing to laugh at your self on occassion, and the ironies of life. Yahweh made the monkeys .... He has a sense of humor.

Many other fine tips on this blog. The one about the water rights is absolutely critical.

Finally, your blood kin is not the same as the assembly and your assembly is not the same as your blood kin. If you treat your little assembly as though they are blood kin, then you are not operating as an assembly. This may seem obscure to you now. So here's a tip. If you find that the rules governing your family OVER-RULE Congregational Law (In The Scriptures), then you are not operating as an assembly, you are operating as a family. Example: If a visitor speaks the truth in your Sabbath gathering, but you silence him because it's your home, then you are not operating as an assembly ... you are operating as a family.

And now you have a clue as to how cult leaders get started. PLEASE BE CAREFUL.

Yours in Yahshua,
Michael

I agree!! In every group there will always be those who wish to take advantage of or impose their social dominance - and make like pharisees.

Listen to The Five Fundamental Principles of Phariseeism

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2662031810327980639#

I heard once that the Pilgrims had a problem with lack of food early on because food production was communalized - things didn't get right until it was privatized.

Jude 12 "These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead."

I am very new to Messianic Christian ways. The Holy Spirit & what I have found in scripture has totally convicted me that Gentile beleivers are to be grafted into the olive tree, Isreal & Gentiles are the wild olive tree. (Romans 11:17). My husband is a believer of the Messiah (Christ)but does not have any interest in Messianic. He says that is for the Jews & we are not Jewish,etc. So I am trying to follow my convictions but yet be obedient to Yahweh and His word & have a peaceful home.. I think an Amish style Messianic community/farm would be wonderful. I will be praying about that. Yahweh will have to work it out for me to follow the Messianic way more. I hope that I can some day live my life completely Messianic. Does that make any sence?

"Foreigners" seem to have their act together - 3 to 5 of them live in one house, splitting the mortgage and all the bills ...
ends up costing them each $125 per month, plus food and car expenses.
...
that's $125.00 one hundred twenty five dollars and zero cents.
that covers their part of the monthly rent and electric and gas and water bills. (don't know about insurance, don't care for now)...
...
they each work different places, and their wives/children are included in the house but don't have to pay extra .

yeshuaslave
Now that makes a lot of sense. Not to mention the fellowship you would have as well.

Too bad believers didn't team up with duplexes and apartment building that are for sale as well...

shared living expenses and vehicles etc....hmmm

Actually rainbow- there have been those in Mass who have done this AND -when i first came - it was wonderful- - obviously - if in 1st year "Christianity" it didn't last - what more can i say- right-

well-- Script says "Occupy till I[He]comes"

Ezekiel 11:17 “... ‘Thus said the Master יהוה, “.. I shall gather you from the peoples, and I shall assemble you from the lands where you have been scattered, and I shall give you the land of Yisra’ĕl.”
[Wellers]

MY HEART! HallaluYAH! Toda rabba for th encouragement:)

"Foreigners" ...$125 per month, ..._________________________"...suffer persecution so that, perhaps, take part in resurrection..." Paul's letter

Tov meod:)Sound great yeshuaslave

Good to know re “Law” or color thereof –ty Felix Moreno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxnpujfanUM&NR=1
somthing to consider
-----------------May PRAYER+Thanks+rejoice+WORD accompany US
"..this is the Ark in Yahushua.." intresting [matzos]

Ty Rob and Jen (BTW theseedofabraham.net expired)
u guys preg.? Congrats ||^u frm NY “Seed”?

[Ben and Pamela]Tenn? My bro[He dose Alt. fuel]
is there (I have thoughts on this…)
- - - good to hear NUB [stevpace@bellsouth.net]


Upstate ny, ..It would be wonderful to start a Messianic community ..and be self sufficient.We are coming to the end of the church age, where the Father is turning his attentions to Israel and the sons & daughters of Israel.I for one am fatigued with the luke warm ways of the mainstream Church and our techno secular society.
Count me In,
Dave Moscowitz
Rohester NY

When the son of man returns will he find faith on the earth?_________________________
I am interested in connected with my spiritual brothers and sisters in any way that I can.We have been dispersed by divine Providence, but I know we will all be reunited again.
-^-(i have a Lag B'Omer story on Providence-which i believe would b relivent to this discussion:)

^Just 4 hours from Rochester –hear there r folks north who have land to start something…/I b with ya bro/

“..educate the members on the Jewish feasts ...dmoscow1@frontier.com Toda bro:)



...if Yahweh's people bought a Hotel like a Best western....everyone would have their space, there would be a community dinning room, swimming pool for Baptisms, a large laundry area and then have a community garden/farm....[rainbow]

building when you
step out and faith and put your feet into the waters and
cross over the Jordon into the promised land.

Munsens
Colfax, La 71417 [beeman]
v
as for “. . water rights..” Oxa ASKED
v
Re: “food” of over 200 Cities only 47 were NOT begun by Kibbutzim![collective]in Israel

I've come to see we are to be a light right where we are, and Yahweh will gather us when it is time. We are to love those around us, and little by little we have found believers in our state or nearby all about 2 to 3 hours away...willing to travel at least once a month to fellowship:)

Praise Yahweh, HalleluYah!

This is (The Wellers) ..just could not figure out what password we put in, lol ....anyways we ended up going to this place called Prairie Creek Settlement (P.C.S.) also known as The Church of Acts over in Richland, MO and what was suppose to be a community of Messianic believers slowly changed in the course of 3 months into a "bridge community" meaning they compromise on Torah, (not that we exclude patience and mercy)but this became bold compromise which is not what we signed up for. I thank Yah He got us out of there because from what I understand all people of like mind who were so broken in spirit to being set apart by the increase of hypocrisy ended up leaving as well. Also that Yah rewards capitalism over communism, meaning you decide what is don't with the fruit of your labors and not others or one hypocritical leader (hint, hint ...lol).

Anyways its no longer just me and my wife who still hold to this idea, but two other married couples our age who are willing to do something with us as well. And I'm glad we went through this despite the financial catching up we had to do to get stable again because we now know well what NOT to do ...lol And let me refine the past statement on (Amish style community) ...We think it would be better to be a school where Messiah is Teacher and not men (John 8:31) and put Messiah (The Word -Torah and Gospels) on our hearts by memorizing scripture (as they did in the last great reformation) so we can walk in the power of His Word without stumbling and be as those who have truly been set free by the Son of Yah and sin no more, being bond servants to righteousness in the Messiah.

Well sorry for the late reply I am thankful for all your suggestions and prayers ...we have not checked on this post for months because we lost heart in it after seeing nothing after a week. But we may contact you who have made offers. And yes I am willing to split the cost of land with people if in OK where I live. Or better yet if anyone has land but dont use it for anything why not give to us ...for I drive a big truck across the mid west and see lots of land abandoned or not even being put to use.

Thanks again and Shalom ...Shalomiel, and Brandi Weller. Also for you that are able to make petition pray that the people running that place I mentioned above repent because I hear things of sin leading to death in the camp. Thanks

my e-mail is wordimplanted@live.com

we love what you said. Because the same exact thing happened ...about silencing a guest at the "community" we lived at....that was one of the signs that we were trying to be turned into a cult. sorry but Messiah is my leader and teacher...not man. Thanks so much for your input! Also I just added you to facebook! my name is brandi weller

That makes a lot of sense. Your husband will be lead by Yah as he is a believer and your example of Torah observance and the Feasts will be the best. In time your husband will see the truth of the scriptures particularly in the Feast as it so clearly points to Yeshua and as a believer that may win him over towards a deeper messianic understanding. Blessings. www.messianicfellowship.ca

I (Shamayon) remember seeing this same question posted some time ago on this forum. I have hesitated to respond as it seems that there are so many different views these days as to what it should look like for “believers” to live in close proximity of one another, sharing life in a “community” setting.....but from our view point much of what we see these days in believers is so different to what it would have been like to live in close proximity of father Abraham…..the man who is the earthly father of the covenant we are to live by as the Yasharim of Yasharal (“Israel”).

To us, what it looks like to live together in close proximity to one another from a thorah perspective is much more important than the concept of simply living together in community for the sake of fellowship.

That being said, there is an opportunity where we are to live and experience the vital, thorah-centered, agrarian life as Father Yahwah has called us to live.....in the midst of other nations and their “worldly” cultures, yet distinctly free of their defiling way of life. A life free of forbidden images of that with the breath of life in it. A life free of harmful and unclean things that damage our bodies. A life free of words derived from the names of mighty ones other than the all-mighty Yahwah. A life free of celebrations rooted in pagan traditions. A life free of the teachings of the pastors, rabbis, shamans, priests, and other spiritual leaders of the false traditions of the religions of man, and focused on the thorah-centered commandments, statutes and judgements of Yahwah. A life free of the bondage of sin/lawlessness (thorahlessness).

More yet, a life centered upon the seventh day Shabath as reckoned by the moon and the first light of the day. A life centered upon life-giving, undefiled and pure organic food. A life centered upon the beauty of animal sacrifice by undefiled hearts and hands. A life centered upon being clothed in clothing made from non-mixed natural fibers. A life centered upon the Creator-centered agrarian life. In short, a life full of the life-giving vitality of the ancient paths where there is rest for our souls.

If this is what one is looking for we have a place in Central America where there are Yasharim who focus on living and growing in the unadulterated thorah-centered life and looking forward to the eventual true restoration of the covenanted children of Abraham to the land of Yasharal. Here we embrace the agrarian life, raising organic crops, beef, lamb, and goat.....free of the contamination of the corrupted world. Free of the bondage of the ways of fallen man and his governments.....and full of life and the provision of the eternal Father.

Are we “different”? ....Yes. And thankful for it.

If this is what you are seeking then please feel free to contact us at haYasharim@yahoo.com

Sincerely,

Shamayon and Rabkah

shalom,
how did your search go? my wife and i are in the same boat as you all.
did Yah answer your prayers?
bill from rhode island

We have been praying about this as well and all you share is just what our hearts are longing for. We are VERY ready! Keep us updated and feel free to contact us:
leenorwood2000@yahoo.com