shalom adelore

I read others' contributions and noticed what you shared:



Thought I'd share my thoughts, in case it might help. I am of the belief that we are here to please YHWH and obey Him.

Like it says in Ecclesiates,


<font color="green">Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear Elohim, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. </font>

There is only one Elohim, and His name is YHWH. He is our King and we are to fear only Him.

I believe one needs to focus his/her eyes on our King and honour Him in keeping His commandments.

Yahushua said - "if you love me, keep my commandments"

<font color="green">Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. </font>

In Revelation, it says,

<font color="green">Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of Elohim, and the faith of Yahushua.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. </font>


I was thinking, if you obeyed your husband in breaking His commandments (i.e. shabbat), that would mean you might be putting your husband above Elohim... perhaps fearing him or loving him more than YHWH...

Yahushua did say that if one loves wife, children, etc more than Him, that person is not worthy of Him:

<font color="green">Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. </font>


If I was in your shoes, I'd keep His commandments, and still love and serve your husband. If husband asks me to break His commandments, I'd explain that I still love him, but cannot break His commandments, because He is King. Still do serve your husband with love and reverence, but still keep YHWH's commandments.

I'm sorry if I sounded too strong with the scriptures, I just believe that YHWH is the only One that is to be feared. We show honour to Him by obeying His commandments whatever the situation.

Hope it goes well with you, adelore, I pray that He will give you wisdom and peace to honour Him and yet still love and cherish your husband, and that He will give you strength to endure the sufferings that come from honouring Him.


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Blessed be the Name of YHWH

[This message has been edited by bluesun (edited 03-24-2007).]

Shalom

Based on bluesun's post,I am in total agreement with the post,I would like to balance out my perspective.

YHWH is to be elohim to every person, male or female. So I am not saying let your husband be elohim. Submission is a different matter.

I believe YHWH's word to be supreme, but neither do I think he think he is in the homewrecking business.
(religion can do a pretty good job though).

I will share a particular incident
My husband - the best ever- does not honor sabbath as I do.
He is still of the Sunday persuasion.

He allows me mine and I allow him his, even though I have pretty strong feelings about it as does he.

He understands that I do not work on the sabbath yet I noticed a couple of weeks in a row he would go about doing errands on the Sabbath day and then give me little requests of work. Like "I gotta go, can you put away those groceries".
It seemed a small thing. But I noticed the little tasks to increase in frequency.
About the third week on Shabbat as he was running out the door and asking me to do SOMETHING, I kinda went ballistic in my mind, I composed myself and then said out loud in a sweet and joking tone "You must be really special that I let you override YHWH".

The thing my husband had asked me to do was small and I remembered he had said something about three o'clock. When three o'clock came I could NOT remember what it was he asked me to do. Probably due to the ballistic mind trip but I could not remember what it was.

I was getting used to being led of the spirit in most matters and rarely sweat things because I know I can ask the spirit of truth anything I need to know.

So, I went to my closet to pray my father for the information. I told him if he wanted me to obey my husband and do what he asked of me, then he would have to bring it to my rememberance.
No response and I waited and waited.
Then, I told the father that I was concerned about the conflict between obeying husband or YHWH. Did YHWH really want me to choose one or the other?
Then I knew the answer.

I have not obeyed ANY man since I was 15 years old. The only chance of being a decent wife for my husband was in my obedience to YHWH because obedience to a man would NEVER happen.

I chose YHWH right then and there.I knew it was the ONLY choice.

When my husband came home and I had to confess that I had not listened to him and I could not remember what he had said. He was disapproving to say the least.

I told him about going to the closet in order to obey him but that the Spirit had not brought it to my remeberance.

As we discussed the obedience issue, my husband felt that he was "not trying to be God by asking you to do these little things". I reminded him that he was the only person left in the world who could override YHWH.
I had to remind him of what a broken and hurt woman I had been when he married me. Everything I am today has come from the hand of YHWH.
Did he want to go back to the day when I looked to him (my husband) to be my God?
To restore my soul?
To bring me peace?
To teach me forgiveness?
to be my all in all?

On and on the list could go of what YHWH has done for me.
We have a 22 year marriage that is better every day and ALL the credit can only go to YHWH.

Men need to remember that head does not make them Elohim. They cannot restore her soul, bring her peace or bind up her broken heart.
And we cannot recieve these things from anyone but YHWH!

Hope I balanced out my perspective
Shalom,
Sharon

Thank You Everyone for your thoughts and prayers.

Sharon,

I understand your thoughts completely. And I agree with everything you said. My first honor goes to Yahweh, then I'm to be submissive to my Husband as long as it doesn't conflict with Yahweh's word.

You all have been more than wonderful in sharing your thought and scripture, May Yahweh's Blessings be with you.

After re-reading all the postings here, may I reassure everyone that divorce is the very Last thing on my mind. I'm only trying to find a way to follow Yahweh's commandments and yet be submissive to my husband. If my husband really wants a divorce than that's up to him to go get it.

I must go now, as I have to go back to work. I'll finish my thoughts later, again Shalom and May the Blessings of Yahweh be with you all.

the books 'total woman' and 'total joy' by maribel something were pretty good
joyful and refreshing to read as the author shows how obedience to Yahweh results in rightness with Him, Peace, and Joy; even when obedience to Yahweh requires
enduring a marriage regardless how hopeless it seems.
same for a disciple enduring any ridicule, physical pain and suffering silently for the Gospel's Sake - Yahweh rewards that disciple for/with eternity with Him.
so consider simply being a disciple of Yahshua enduring anything for the Gospel's Sake [maribel makes this simply clear] --- if any of the disciples in Scripture, or in china or russia today, denied their faith to save themselves from torture, what then ?
like peter, they may be restored,
but disciples are very rare to start with, let alone those who repent and return after caving in to pressure (and the pressure is many times greater and more dangerous from 'friends' or 'spiritual' advice in the usa than from communists:
when someone is recognised as a threat it is easier to resist evil
than when someone seems like a friend but deceives you).

Shalom Everyone,

So many thoughts expressed on here and so much wonderful Scripture to read and study upon.

My many thanks to all who are encouraging with Yahwehs Words.

It is true that many Scriptures can be pointed out to "do this or that", yet What does Yahweh think about the whole thing?

I have studied ElihYah's study about Divorce, (also a few of his other studies as well.) and I must admit that it's a great study in great detail.

Sometimes I wonder if we who want to praise Yahweh and live by His Word have a tendency to pick out this or that scripture alone.

I believe we could go back and forth on pickig out Scripture all day long, yet when it comes to marriage, what does Yahweh say about the "whole marriage" not just what the Wife or Husband should do. But what about the whole Marriage.

Marriage is a union of two people. Both should treat each other with kindness, respect and love. And Yahweh should be at the head of the household in sprit of this couple.

Yes I agee a Wife should be in Submission to her husband, but to what extent?

To place Yahweh below the Husband would be wrong and I just won't do it. (Now don't get me wrong, I am submissive to my husband to a point, the point where it stops is I will NOT give up Yahweh.)

Yes a wife (or husband ) can continue to live with an unbeliever if both agree. I don't have a problem with that at all. Yet neither party of the marriage should ever want to come before Yahweh.

No, I don't believe in "forcing" my beliefs on my husband nor would I try. If I want to pray or read Yahwehs word in private in the kitchen, or our bedroom, not interfering with my husband watching TV or doing what he's intrested in, (if my husband has something he'd like me to do for him or with him, I'll be the first to admit I will do so and then later I will spend my time in prayer and reading with Yahweh. This way I am being submissive to my husband and yet I'm not taking away my time with Yahweh.) I have shown respect and yet I've pleased Yahweh, and that's all I really want to do. However this is not the case in my house at all. My husband would rather I give up Yahweh period.

Now I find it very intresting that most of the postings on here apply only to what the Women should do for the Husband and I do understand where everyone is comming from.

But Yahweh has so much more in mind for the Married Couple.

I don't think that when Yahweh said a Wife should be submissive to her husband, that He ment it was ok for the Husband to force/or try to force the wife to give up her time with Yahweh.

Yes she should be submissive, but never should she make her husband a g*d and forget the Ten Commandments, Reading the Word of Yahweh or Praying to Yahweh.

Just my thoughts as I continue to study Yahweh's Word.

Dear Adelore,

Here is a post I came across.
http://mtichi.sabbatariannetwork.com/content/TwoMarriages.html

It gives a very sound scriptural basis for what is going on.

Basically you are a believer and your husband is not.
Your primary marriage (spiritual) is to YHWH. If your husband can't deal with that then you are free to leave. Rav Shaul said we are called to peace. This whole business of being submissive is if the husband is in line with the Father and Son. Your husband is not. Neither is mine. They are rebellious, period.

I am currently sticking it out hoping that things will change soon. It's been two + years and I'm wearing thin as you are. And the business of remaining single after divorce is if you are divorcing a BELIEVER. Then you have to remain single or be reconciled. This is not that case.

You have an abusive, rebellious husband. I can't tell you to leave him because I haven't had the Word from YHWH myself, but the Israelites were called to leave their pagan wives (our husbands are pagan hybrids) and return (I think Chronicles I or II)
and repent back to the True Faith. I don't think this is much different except they had massive support to do this. We have the power of prayer, though. Thank you YHWH!!! And a few who have walked the road before.

Believe me Adelore you are being made strong by this in ways you don't know yet.
Very few know the strength it takes to be abused out of love for another person.
Give it all you got and ask YHWH to either soften or harden your heart depending on HIS will for you. HE can help you stick it out until your husband repents or HE can harden your heart enuf to give you the strength to leave. Give to YHWH in this way and HE will tell you what to do and HE will be pleased to see you are giving the situation to HIM. That is what I have done and it has made me stronger. We are being groomed.

YHWH's blessings to you,
Yulia

Yulia,

the sabbaritan network link that you provided, in their "statement of faith" page, they say:

- Mary was not a virgin when she had Yahushua

- Yahushua was not born "perfect" but had to be "perfected" through trials and sufferings

- Adam and Eve were not the first human beings

- Yahushua did not return to heaven physically, and we can find his bones on earth


Just to be aware of where they're at.



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Blessed be the Name of YHWH

Wow, now that's not good at all. I always look at a "Belief Statement" First on a website before I continue looking at what they have to say. It's amazing to me how many "Churchs and Groups" (the people that go there) don't even know their own "Church" doctrins.



[This message has been edited by adelore (edited 05-26-2007).]

Adelore,


If you are looking for a website that has cornered ALL of the truth you are in for a huge disappointment.

The article on "two marriages" is right on if you look in your scriptures and verify.

As for the other beliefs on the website I agree with most. I can't say I have read all of any website, have you?

Anyway, the above "hotpoints" are not even salvation issues anyway.

Do you really want to break fellowship over if someone believes that Adam and Eve were not the first human beings?

You might even be wrong in some of your opinions, too?

Anyway, may the Ruach Ha Kodesh guide you into truth and humility.

Yulia

Shalom Yulia

May Ha Ruach bless you and may you keep your eyes fixed on YHWH.

Just a note to encourage you to seek YHWH as He said to do:

Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of Elphim, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

Jer 33:2 Thus saith YHWH the maker thereof, YHWH that formed it, to establish it; YHWH is his name;
Jer 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.


Love in Yahushua,
Tamar