Wow

Truly Ha Ruach Kodesh inspired! What a blessing that you shared this. I will be rereading this one often!
Writings inspired by YHWH are inspiring! (In Spirit) HalleluYAH!

Blesings to you and yours brother!

Tamar

I agree with sis Tamar, worth re-reading.....thank you......becky

Tamar and Becky,


thank you for the kind responses. good to know it was edifying! praise YAH for His mercy and compassion, and the moving of His Ruach in our lives!


Chayim b'Moshiach (Life in Messiah)

Here I stand,
Bruised and filled with pity,
And I give YOU my heart,
I tell you of my sorrows,
I tell you of my shame,
I tell you of my brokeness
I call out to YOU in pain.

Your loving eyes look into mine
And then I discover pain,
You show me scar filled hands and feet,
You let me see YOUR shame,
Never did I bleed as YOU,
Never was I smitten
Never did I give my life,
As Yahushua did for me...

Self pity is for selfish ones,
Who do not see YOUR love,
Who prefer self pity over You,
Who rather boast of pain,
Who in so doing, deny the ONE
Who died and rose again

May my boast be of YOU YHWH,
May my words of me be few
Self pity is a boast of evil
In YOUR love, YOU overcame
You triumphed over all evil
Your gave YOUR live for me
With my breath YOUR praise I tell
Yahushua, yes Emmanuel!


Co-authored with YHWH.
He gave the words, I wrote them down.

Blessings,
Tamar

Shalom Tamar,

that was a beautiful poem. and with such a wonderful, well-needed message!

thank you for sharing and being used by the Father!


**just a further thought**

i had to come back and add this, after considering your poem once more, specifically this line:

"Self pity is for selfish ones,"

if you were to transliterate the word "selfish" into Hebrew, you might end up with the following "seleph-ish." the word "ish" probably readily stands out as being the word for "man," and the word "seleph" simply means "perversness/wickedness/twistedness." so a selfish person is one whose proper focus has been "twisted or perverted" away from the Father and His Son, to themselves. our attention and focus in life is not to be on ourselves - we are to die to self and let Messiah love and live and move and minister through us.

just a thought i wanted to add! hope it was uplifting in some way.

Chayim b'Moshiach (Life in Messiah)

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Shalom naesimo,

i was just reading back through the other poems/songs posted on here and read your posts about AdoniYah.

what an awesome thing concerning his poems! the Father is good and does good to and through His people! praise Him for using us and manifesting gifts and talents in His body!

on another note - one question maybe you can help me with:

Linkin Park - i noticed you posted the lyrics to some of their songs. i recently heard "What I've Done" on the radio at work, and the lyrics seemed surprisingly uplifting (almost spiritual). i thought they were a secular band, but some of their lyrics are making me think otherwise. i am not familiar with them other than their name and the specific song i've just mentioned, do you know anything about their personal beliefs?

kinda curious, just wondering if you had any info.


Chayim b'Moshiach (Life in Messiah)

I didn't check to see who was logged in before I responded but it was Renae who wrote this!!!



Burning One,

Yeah I don't think it was just a coincidence you started this topic and then AdoniYah wrote his first poetry !!!

Here is a little info on the members of Linkin' Park: Their latest album "Minutes to Midnight" is based on the Doomsday Clock.

Chester Bennington: Bennington was born in Phoenix, Arizona.[1] He took interest in music at a young age, citing Depeche Mode and Stone Temple Pilots as early inspirations.[1] Bennington's parents separated in the late 1980s, while he was still a child.[1] He was sexually abused during his youth, and later struggled with cocaine and methamphetamine addictions.[1] Bennington eventually overcame his drug addiction, and would go on to denounce drug use in future interviews.[2] He worked at a Burger King restaurant before starting his career as a professional musician.[1]
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Rob Bourdon: Rob was born in Calabasas, California and now lives in Los Angeles. He grew up in the same town as the members of Incubus and Hoobastank.
Rob started to play the drums after watching an Aerosmith concert. His mother was the girlfriend of Joey Kramer, Aerosmith's drummer, so they were able to go backstage and see the entire production; Kramer also gave Rob a kick pedal.

In late 2006, Chester Bennington of Linkin Park said on Tattoo Stories that his bandmates Rob and Brad didn't have any tattoos for religious reasons. Both are actively of the Jewish faith.
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Bradford Phillip Delson (born December 1, 1977, in Agoura, California[1]), is a Jewish musician best known as the lead guitarist and temporary bassist for the band Linkin Park. He is also the A&R for Machine Shop Recordings.
Delson graduated from Agoura High School in 1995 and formed Xero with Mike Shinoda whom he knew since the seventh grade, which would later become Linkin Park. He graduated from the University of California, Los Angeles with a degree in communications, but decided to forget law school to pursue a career with Linkin Park.
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David Farrell was born in Plymouth, Massachusetts but later moved to Mission Viejo, California when he was five. He attended Mission Viejo High School. He also graduated from the University of California, Los Angeles in 1999 . He is adept at playing the bass guitar, electric guitar, cello and violin. He has also been known to play an upright bass at some concerts.

Farrell was a member of a Christian ska/Christian punk band known as the Tasty Snax. While attending college, he would practice with Brad Delson in their dorm room together. However, because he had to play and tour with the Tasty Snax, he could not play with Delson and his band, which would become Linkin Park. After changing their name to Snax, Farrell began playing bass guitar in the band before leaving once again to join Linkin Park full-time to play bass. Farrell's fellow band mate Mark Fiore became Linkin Park's videographer. As described in the inlay for Reanimation he uses an Ernie Ball MusicMan Bass.
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Joseph Hahn, often known as Mr. Hahn, is a musician and director of Korean descent best known as the turntablist for the American band Linkin Park.
Hahn joined Linkin Park when the band was called Xero in 1996 as the band's turntablist. Since then, he has directed music videos for most singles of his band, with the exceptions of "One Step Closer", "Crawling" and "Faint". He is referenced to as Mr. Hahn at the beginning of "Cure for the Itch" from "Hybrid Theory".

On the new album Minutes to Midnight, Joe Hahn contributes more to programming with his sound effects board and uses more of his MIDI board. The only songs he uses turntables in Minutes To Midnight are the minor roles in "What I've Done", "Valentine's Day", and "In Pieces."
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Mike Shinoda was raised in the Los Angeles suburb of Agoura Hills.[1] Mike has a younger brother (born 1979) named Jason.[1][2]

His first exposure to music came during his middle and high school years, and attended a concert featuring Anthrax and Public Enemy[3] He attended Chester W. Nimitz Middle School in Huntington Park.[citation needed] After that, he began taking piano lessons, studying classical pianist techniques, and later moved on to jazz and hip hop. It was during this period that he added the guitar and, eventually, rap-style vocals to his repertoire. [3]

After his teens, Mike Shinoda's rap interests found a source of encouragement in friend Brad Delson, with whom he started to write and record songs in a makeshift studio set up in his basement. Shinoda attended Agoura High School with Linkin Park bandmate Brad Delson, as well as with members of the band Hoobastank. By the end of high school, drummer Rob Bourdon had become involved in their musical ventures. The trio formed the band Xero, and began to make a more serious attempt to pursue a career in the music industry.

After high school, Shinoda enrolled in the Art Center College of Design to study graphic design and illustration.[1] It was here that he made the acquaintance of DJ and turntablist Joseph Hahn, who, along with Delson's college-mate Phoenix, was soon added to Xero's line-up. Shinoda eventually graduated from college with a degree in illustration, securing himself a job as a graphic designer right after graduation.[1] With his background as a graphic artist, Shinoda has taken it upon himself in designing all of Linkin Park's artwork with Hahn, and has even designed the album cover for Styles of Beyond's debut album, 2000 Fold. In later years he would go on to showcase his art skills;[citation needed] he had his debut art showcase at Gallery 1988 in Los Angeles in the time leading up to Linkin Park's album Minutes To Midnight.
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So there are two men of the Jewish faith in the band and atleast one may still be of the Christian faith I'm not sure. Their lyrics are very personal and raw so I'd say their music reflects their lives, I don't know how to exactly define it though. All the info came from wikipedia. Like I've said before, I think there is truth here and there, like everywhere (different denominations, etc). So I mostly wanted to show how I think people can be looking for Him without knowing it or some seeds have already been planted with them or something. I'm not saying they are Scriptural or anything. I'm glad folks don't mind me sharing the lyrics.

Shalom,
Renae

PS--I would like to get your opinion on something that kinda goes with a post you made in a different topic but I don't want to post it on here how could we contact you?



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Shalom Renae,

thank you for going to such lengths on explaining the background. i LOVE listening to music, but most of my tastes are confined to spiritually-focused musicians: Christian and Jewish, and "Messianic" where it can be found. but yes, i can definitely see why there would be spiritual tones to Linkin Park's lyrics. i too believe truth can be found in all manner of places, and it is always interesting to see wisdom growing in the strangest of soils! i think it keeps us who "have the truth" humble, you know what i mean?

you can contact me at seraph613 @ hotmail DOT com. i'll be glad to answer as best i can. thanks again for posting all that info!


Chayim b'Moshiach (Life in Messiah)

Concerning Linkin Park:

I happen to know of some who have had some serious struggles spiritually and mentally and by their own admission, after coming to the Truth, linkin park did not help them; as a matter of fact, they drug them down even more - almost to death. Linkin Park does not practice the verses below:



They do not speak words of hope to those who drown in hopelessness. They do not point to the One who can deliver from the darkness of depression. They do not encourage us to walk in the light as He is in the light. According to I John, Linkin Park are liars:



Their tongues do not speak words of life:





They just do not speak the Truth; Let Elohim be true and every man a liar......becky

I am so done with the whole Linkin' Park thing after this.

When I would get depressed for example let's say over not having a family, folks would say things like you'll have more time and money to travel or buy this/that or with the world the way it is today you don't have to worry about them being molested or kidnapped etc. So even "Christians" didn't take the opportunity to point us to Messiah, do ya'll think that what they said was all encouraging or something? So were these folks messengers of the devil disguised as Christians or something? I already came on here and said that the year that "shook me up" was a year of several "suicides". And these folks weren't the Linkin' Park listening kind either. How about a grandfather whose son was a deacon in a church and left the church after his dad killed himself because he said if I couldn't save my dad I don't have no business trying to save/help anybody. I guess we should've went up to him and said yeah this was a blessing in disguise because you were just serving Satan in the Christian church and the reason your dad killed himself is because he was a Christian celebrating all those Satanic holidays.

How about a very loved local man whose grown son was very sick with a painful chronic illness and considerable debt and addiction to pain meds. So he kills himself in a car by inhaling the exhaust with the garden hose. He drove out to the middle of nowhere in summer and was missing atleast a week. I guess we should've went up to his parents and said well congratulations you're no longer "unequally yoked" with your wretched sinner of a son!!!

How about a man comes home through the front door says "I can't take this sh** anymore" walks out the back door and puts a gun to his head. I guess we should've said he wasn't much of a father or husband anyway now you're free to find a better man.

How about a 12 year old boy who hangs himself because his brother was killed in Iraq?

If people want to call me wallowing in my depression or indulging in it etc I personally don't care anymore because it just helps me identify with people who are struggling to muddle through life. And all Linkin' Park did was give words to feelings that were hard for me to articulate sometimes.

People may not believe it but I'm actually interested in fighting the darkness not promoting it.

Shalom,
Renae

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Shalom Becky,


i mentioned i don't have any knowledge of them other than the song i referred to and the lyrics Renae posted, so i don't know anything other than that. what i found in the song i heard were positive lyrics that seemed upbuilding. but thank you for posting what you did.

that said, i do think music (both secular and spiritually-based) is very strong and influential in the lives of any person, spiritually-minded or not, and there are times when some messages should not be listened to at all.

sticking with the spiritually-based musicians, since that is the majority of my personal history, i can attest that there are "Christian" bands that have not helped me at all, but were used to really promulgate my "bad times," one even lead me to the very brink of suicide back in 1999. thankfully the Father intervened through a friend and prevented any physical damage, but i kid you not it was a Christian band that pushed my emotions to the point of self-destruction.

so what i am proposing is that we need to be very careful of the music and the message we place in our ears - spiritual or not. if ANY type of music/lyrics are bringing somebody down then they need to remove that source from their lives. i can't flat out say that the Father can't use a secular band for good - i think of Bil'am whose prophecies of the Messiah are some of the most wonderful in Scripture, and yet he was a false prophet who got what he deserved - and in the same vein i can't flat out say that the enemy can't work through a spiritual band, either - i think of Yehudah the betrayer of Messiah, who went out with the twelve and watched demons be subject to him. there is a balance in this particular issue that needs to be understood. the Father can work through secular means, and often does. and the enemy can work through spiritual means, and does as well.

music is powerful. we need to guard our emotions and not feed them with words and sounds that are harmful, even if the source may be spiritual. if something is negatively affecting an individual, no matter the source, get rid of it and focus instead on the pure Words of Scripture. get a copy of the Psalms put to music, or something, which we know is pure and going to be helpful.

thanks for watching out for us!


Chayim b'Moshiach (Life in Messiah)

Shalom, Burning One,
Thank you, you are so right about music. The verses that I shared at the link were inspired by the Ruach through prayer. May they not return void. It is truly Yahweh who watches out for us, His little lambs.

Heb 4:12 For the Word of Elohim is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
Heb 4:13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account.

I do appreciate you, dear brother........becky

I think this is a beautiful poem about marriage (I added YHWH).

To My Future Wife
I am awaiting your anointed kiss
to touch my lips, to light my tongue aflame,
that when I draw away to speak your name,
~ by Michael Rew

To read it go here, it doesn't use true names.
http://www.psonnets.org/psonnets/wife.html

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Thy Husband, Pastor of Thy Heart
Thy husband is the pastor of thy heart
and feedeth from the hollow of his hand
thee all good grasses growing in the land
~ by Michael Rew

http://www.psonnets.org/psonnets/pastor.html

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Psonnets of Romance
Our Love Is Free
Our love is liberty, not libertine,
consuming fire, yet not one fueled by lust.
No, rather, it is kindled through our trust,
~ by Michael Rew

http://www.psonnets.org/psonnets/lovefree.html

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